Thinking about a move down to Bournemouth / Sandbanks
Discussion
So i've got a nice house in and around Epping Forest, but the area is changing. As London spills out it brings the crime and other crap with it. On the upside it also brings over inflated house prices - if you're lucky enough to own a house that is. So it does mean relocating has it's benefits.
We don't really use London any more, and covid has proved that working from home is very possible and very real, albeit with the odd trip in to town for big meetings etc.
Bournemouth / Sanbanks is an area i know relatively well having holiday'd there as a child for well over a decade. I've also been back many many times. I love everything about it, the beaches, scenery, countryside... but i appreciate that living there is very different to visiting.
We have two young(ish) kids so think the quality of life will be far better, both now and in the future.
Area's we're considering are Canford, Branksome, Westbourne, Lilluput. We would have budget to buy on the pennisular but would rather not.
Any real world experience would be amazing. Advantages, disadvantages with kids, what areas are best for what schools (primary and secondary) and any other intel that you would have found invaluable? Also good, honest estate agents - if there is such a thing!
Thanks in advance.
We don't really use London any more, and covid has proved that working from home is very possible and very real, albeit with the odd trip in to town for big meetings etc.
Bournemouth / Sanbanks is an area i know relatively well having holiday'd there as a child for well over a decade. I've also been back many many times. I love everything about it, the beaches, scenery, countryside... but i appreciate that living there is very different to visiting.
We have two young(ish) kids so think the quality of life will be far better, both now and in the future.
Area's we're considering are Canford, Branksome, Westbourne, Lilluput. We would have budget to buy on the pennisular but would rather not.
Any real world experience would be amazing. Advantages, disadvantages with kids, what areas are best for what schools (primary and secondary) and any other intel that you would have found invaluable? Also good, honest estate agents - if there is such a thing!
Thanks in advance.
I moved down to Wareham near Poole 2 years ago, having spent all my life living near Windsor, and whilst it was meant to be temporary we love it so much that we'll be staying.
Personally I think Bournemouth centre is a dump (but have no experience of the areas around it) and sandbanks gets hugely busy which would put me off, but some of the areas around Poole that you mention are beautiful and really well located/connected too. I'd definitely recommend the move!
Dom
Personally I think Bournemouth centre is a dump (but have no experience of the areas around it) and sandbanks gets hugely busy which would put me off, but some of the areas around Poole that you mention are beautiful and really well located/connected too. I'd definitely recommend the move!
Dom
Zeemax_Mini said:
I moved down to Wareham near Poole 2 years ago, having spent all my life living near Windsor, and whilst it was meant to be temporary we love it so much that we'll be staying.
Personally I think Bournemouth centre is a dump (but have no experience of the areas around it) and sandbanks gets hugely busy which would put me off, but some of the areas around Poole that you mention are beautiful and really well located/connected too. I'd definitely recommend the move!
Dom
I know Wareham very well mate. Lovely town. Personally I think Bournemouth centre is a dump (but have no experience of the areas around it) and sandbanks gets hugely busy which would put me off, but some of the areas around Poole that you mention are beautiful and really well located/connected too. I'd definitely recommend the move!
Dom
It's where I'm from and grew up.
The peninsula looks great, but, unless you want access in the summer to your house only on foot / bike / motorbike / water, avoid the peninsula. It gets RAMMED with traffic.
Depending on what you're looking for, there are plenty of lovely houses for sale in BH13, but personally, I'd move a little to the east of Sandbanks, where you get a lot more for your money, less traffic and fewer tourists.
The peninsula looks great, but, unless you want access in the summer to your house only on foot / bike / motorbike / water, avoid the peninsula. It gets RAMMED with traffic.
Depending on what you're looking for, there are plenty of lovely houses for sale in BH13, but personally, I'd move a little to the east of Sandbanks, where you get a lot more for your money, less traffic and fewer tourists.
RC1807 said:
It's where I'm from and grew up.
The peninsula looks great, but, unless you want access in the summer to your house only on foot / bike / motorbike / water, avoid the peninsula. It gets RAMMED with traffic.
Depending on what you're looking for, there are plenty of lovely houses for sale in BH13, but personally, I'd move a little to the west of Sandbanks, where you get a lot more for your money, less traffic and fewer tourists.
Is that Liliput mate?The peninsula looks great, but, unless you want access in the summer to your house only on foot / bike / motorbike / water, avoid the peninsula. It gets RAMMED with traffic.
Depending on what you're looking for, there are plenty of lovely houses for sale in BH13, but personally, I'd move a little to the west of Sandbanks, where you get a lot more for your money, less traffic and fewer tourists.
Don't suppose you know much about schools do you?
Partners parents have a place in Canford, and it's a lovely spacious place with a 10min walk to the beach.
However, on any bank holiday or warm weekend it's absolutely miserable.
All the local roads are jammed with people that have parked up and taken themselves to the beach.
Most seem to be considerate (a term to be used loosely), some are utter self-entitled a
holes that park up and block the driveway and care not for the locals.
Litter and noise can be a problem during these days too, especially first thing in the morning, with slamming of car doors. And having to clean up and wind blown crap in your garden.
However, on any bank holiday or warm weekend it's absolutely miserable.
All the local roads are jammed with people that have parked up and taken themselves to the beach.
Most seem to be considerate (a term to be used loosely), some are utter self-entitled a
holes that park up and block the driveway and care not for the locals. Litter and noise can be a problem during these days too, especially first thing in the morning, with slamming of car doors. And having to clean up and wind blown crap in your garden.
A few thoughts from me...
- Traffic in the area is a real pain. Yes, compared to London not as bad, but the road network here is fairly limited by comparison so issues on one road can quickly lead to snarl ups on other key routes. Getting on/off the peninsula in summer can be slow.
- On the flip side, if you live in Bournemouth it means if you go out anywhere the chances are you'll be travelling in the opposite direction to most of the holiday traffic. For example, last Friday evening we drove down the A338 into Bournemouth, free-flowing southbound but northbound was nose-tail for most of the dual carriageway Blackwater-Ashley Heath, everyone coming back from the beach.
- Bear in mind some of the parks/open spaces (Whitecliff, Baiter for example) can be quite popular as unofficial caravan sites in the summer, if you get my meaning. I don't think they bring the same issues other parts of the country experience, but because of that I personally would not want to live too close to one of them.
- Bear in mind Sandbanks is popular for house party rentals, quite a few mansions rented out for stag/hen dos.
- My wifes aunt & uncle live in Liliput, over the years their quiet street of older shalet bungalows has slowly been transformed. Most have been knocked down and turned into flats or wannabe mansions taking up as much of the footprint on the plot as possible.
- If you don't mind being a bit further from the sea think about somewhere like Wimborne, or as already mentioned Wareham.
- Traffic in the area is a real pain. Yes, compared to London not as bad, but the road network here is fairly limited by comparison so issues on one road can quickly lead to snarl ups on other key routes. Getting on/off the peninsula in summer can be slow.
- On the flip side, if you live in Bournemouth it means if you go out anywhere the chances are you'll be travelling in the opposite direction to most of the holiday traffic. For example, last Friday evening we drove down the A338 into Bournemouth, free-flowing southbound but northbound was nose-tail for most of the dual carriageway Blackwater-Ashley Heath, everyone coming back from the beach.
- Bear in mind some of the parks/open spaces (Whitecliff, Baiter for example) can be quite popular as unofficial caravan sites in the summer, if you get my meaning. I don't think they bring the same issues other parts of the country experience, but because of that I personally would not want to live too close to one of them.
- Bear in mind Sandbanks is popular for house party rentals, quite a few mansions rented out for stag/hen dos.
- My wifes aunt & uncle live in Liliput, over the years their quiet street of older shalet bungalows has slowly been transformed. Most have been knocked down and turned into flats or wannabe mansions taking up as much of the footprint on the plot as possible.
- If you don't mind being a bit further from the sea think about somewhere like Wimborne, or as already mentioned Wareham.
I’ve lived in Lilliput, Lower Parkstone and Canford Cliffs so have a good feel for the area.
I would not live on the Sandbanks peninsular as it’s a nightmare in summer. It can take residents about 40 mins just to get off with the queues for the chain link ferry and people blocking the drives.
Value for money it’s Lower Parkstone (BH14 8 and 9 postcodes mostly) where £1.2-1.5m is typically needed for something very nice but you can get nice houses for less than a million.
Lilliput has great sea view roads (Elms Avenue and Pearce Avenue) where you’re probably looking at £2m plus for nice stuff.
Canford Cliffs/Braksome Park has the advantage of big plots. No plot is allowed to be less than 3/4 acre. This means more space and peace than lilliput or lower parkstone and because it’s not on the sea front you can get a lot more house for your money than say Lilliput sea view homes.
I’d probably choose either Canford Cliffs or the edge of Sandbanks around Evening Hill if it was to go back.
The total left field answer is east of Christchurch (Highcliff/Mudeford) where you can probably get more for your money but more importantly a less busy beach and less hectic life in general.
Poole and the surrounding areas (Sandbanks/Lilliput etc) is also a continuous building site and has a lot of very superficial people (and lots of Russian money) which can grate!
Best of luck.
I would not live on the Sandbanks peninsular as it’s a nightmare in summer. It can take residents about 40 mins just to get off with the queues for the chain link ferry and people blocking the drives.
Value for money it’s Lower Parkstone (BH14 8 and 9 postcodes mostly) where £1.2-1.5m is typically needed for something very nice but you can get nice houses for less than a million.
Lilliput has great sea view roads (Elms Avenue and Pearce Avenue) where you’re probably looking at £2m plus for nice stuff.
Canford Cliffs/Braksome Park has the advantage of big plots. No plot is allowed to be less than 3/4 acre. This means more space and peace than lilliput or lower parkstone and because it’s not on the sea front you can get a lot more house for your money than say Lilliput sea view homes.
I’d probably choose either Canford Cliffs or the edge of Sandbanks around Evening Hill if it was to go back.
The total left field answer is east of Christchurch (Highcliff/Mudeford) where you can probably get more for your money but more importantly a less busy beach and less hectic life in general.
Poole and the surrounding areas (Sandbanks/Lilliput etc) is also a continuous building site and has a lot of very superficial people (and lots of Russian money) which can grate!
Best of luck.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 5th August 17:31
I work a lot in Bournemouth, don’t live here. As I drive out through the forest on a sunny Thursday or Friday going home all the roads coming in are rammed with traffic, absolutely a nightmare at the end of lockdown.
The middle of bournemouth is positively posh compared to Poole ( dump) but if you are in Canford you might never need to go there. When I first worked here it was a sleepy quiet place but totally changed now with all the university money. Very much more lively, lots of students (although that might change now), lotsof bars and nightlife, lots more homeless, lots more drugs, masses of tourists.
No idea on schools, sorry.
If I were moving to the area I’d try lymington or head west of Swanage.
The middle of bournemouth is positively posh compared to Poole ( dump) but if you are in Canford you might never need to go there. When I first worked here it was a sleepy quiet place but totally changed now with all the university money. Very much more lively, lots of students (although that might change now), lotsof bars and nightlife, lots more homeless, lots more drugs, masses of tourists.
No idea on schools, sorry.
If I were moving to the area I’d try lymington or head west of Swanage.
nute said:
If I were moving to the area I’d try lymington or head west of Swanage.
That's what we decided. Ended up near Corfe Castle far enough away the tourists aren't an issue unless we go looking. I also like Wareham which we didn't really consider because we didn't know much about it at the time.It depends if you want city life or not.
OP, how old are your kids and are you thinking of private schools?
Bill said:
That's what we decided. Ended up near Corfe Castle far enough away the tourists aren't an issue unless we go looking. I also like Wareham which we didn't really consider because we didn't know much about it at the time.
It depends if you want city life or not.
OP, how old are your kids and are you thinking of private schools?
14 and 9 mate - not considering Private.It depends if you want city life or not.
OP, how old are your kids and are you thinking of private schools?
Love Corfe - but would have thought tourists would be a nightmare!
Sim75 said:
14 and 9 mate - not considering Private.
Love Corfe - but would have thought tourists would be a nightmare!
Ok, over this way the Purbeck school in Wareham is pretty good (my 12 y-o is happy) loads of village primaries to choose from depending on where you are. There are boy and girl grammars in Poole (40 minute bus ride from here) that are also good and take kids from out of area depending on exam results.Love Corfe - but would have thought tourists would be a nightmare!
It is busy but you soon learn where to go to avoid them, and when not to travel to avoid traffic. And they do make the pubs etc viable.
I lived in Branksome / Canford Cliffs for 6 years in the 1990s. Horribly busy in the summer. I avoided the beach and town centre at all costs and headed across to Purbecks or into the New Forest to get away from it. Sandbanks even busier although I guess once you're in your garden looking at the boats go by it must be pleasant enough, but getting around must be frustrating.
From what I've seen on return visits things haven't got any better in recent years
From what I've seen on return visits things haven't got any better in recent years
Is that Liliput mate?
Don't suppose you know much about schools do you?
Hi OP - we live in a cheap part of Poole and there are some quirks to be aware of in terms of schools.
Your children are too old for the First School in Lilliput which then feeds on to the quirky ‘Junior’ school system-this used to be Middle School system but with each Middle school starting at different ages therefore making them both hard to compare and then requiring another move before high school e.g. First, middle, then high but with loads of kids leaving middle/junior in y7 to go to grammar.
There is a pre-eminent Junior school in Lower Parkstone which is fine up to Year 6 but then you are forced to choose again for the high school. Most parents at the pre-eminent school opt for the Grammar school in Poole but clearly that is not a guaranteed place.
Be aware too that girls sitting the Grammar test are eligible to apply for both the Poole Grammar school and the Bournemouth one with the same test. This year the threshold for the Bournemouth school was significantly higher than the Poole one. So my daughter has a place in Poole but did not make the score for Bournemouth (happy with that as Parkstone was our top choice), I don’t know how it works for the boys.
The other high schools in Poole have some excellent Heads and if you want more information on them feel free to PM me. However, I have noticed that a lot of the private schools have minibuses down and round Sandbanks to pick up kids early and take them out to the bucolic splendour of the green belt😊. Make of that what you will.
Final thought - have you considered Dorchester? Nice town with less bedlam and well-heeled friends who live there love the way you can dip into East Dorset urban beach style as well as finding some quieter places on the Jurassic coast to the West. Direct train to both Bristol and London too whereas Poole only goes to London.
Also the school system there is a pyramid with only one, highly regarded school at the top and therefore less insanity all round- you just go there no matter what system you come up through.
Hope this helps.
Don't suppose you know much about schools do you?
Hi OP - we live in a cheap part of Poole and there are some quirks to be aware of in terms of schools.
Your children are too old for the First School in Lilliput which then feeds on to the quirky ‘Junior’ school system-this used to be Middle School system but with each Middle school starting at different ages therefore making them both hard to compare and then requiring another move before high school e.g. First, middle, then high but with loads of kids leaving middle/junior in y7 to go to grammar.
There is a pre-eminent Junior school in Lower Parkstone which is fine up to Year 6 but then you are forced to choose again for the high school. Most parents at the pre-eminent school opt for the Grammar school in Poole but clearly that is not a guaranteed place.
Be aware too that girls sitting the Grammar test are eligible to apply for both the Poole Grammar school and the Bournemouth one with the same test. This year the threshold for the Bournemouth school was significantly higher than the Poole one. So my daughter has a place in Poole but did not make the score for Bournemouth (happy with that as Parkstone was our top choice), I don’t know how it works for the boys.
The other high schools in Poole have some excellent Heads and if you want more information on them feel free to PM me. However, I have noticed that a lot of the private schools have minibuses down and round Sandbanks to pick up kids early and take them out to the bucolic splendour of the green belt😊. Make of that what you will.
Final thought - have you considered Dorchester? Nice town with less bedlam and well-heeled friends who live there love the way you can dip into East Dorset urban beach style as well as finding some quieter places on the Jurassic coast to the West. Direct train to both Bristol and London too whereas Poole only goes to London.
Also the school system there is a pyramid with only one, highly regarded school at the top and therefore less insanity all round- you just go there no matter what system you come up through.
Hope this helps.
Stereolab said:
Is that Liliput mate?
Don't suppose you know much about schools do you?
Hi OP - we live in a cheap part of Poole and there are some quirks to be aware of in terms of schools.
Your children are too old for the First School in Lilliput which then feeds on to the quirky ‘Junior’ school system-this used to be Middle School system but with each Middle school starting at different ages therefore making them both hard to compare and then requiring another move before high school e.g. First, middle, then high but with loads of kids leaving middle/junior in y7 to go to grammar.
There is a pre-eminent Junior school in Lower Parkstone which is fine up to Year 6 but then you are forced to choose again for the high school. Most parents at the pre-eminent school opt for the Grammar school in Poole but clearly that is not a guaranteed place.
Be aware too that girls sitting the Grammar test are eligible to apply for both the Poole Grammar school and the Bournemouth one with the same test. This year the threshold for the Bournemouth school was significantly higher than the Poole one. So my daughter has a place in Poole but did not make the score for Bournemouth (happy with that as Parkstone was our top choice), I don’t know how it works for the boys.
The other high schools in Poole have some excellent Heads and if you want more information on them feel free to PM me. However, I have noticed that a lot of the private schools have minibuses down and round Sandbanks to pick up kids early and take them out to the bucolic splendour of the green belt??. Make of that what you will.
Final thought - have you considered Dorchester? Nice town with less bedlam and well-heeled friends who live there love the way you can dip into East Dorset urban beach style as well as finding some quieter places on the Jurassic coast to the West. Direct train to both Bristol and London too whereas Poole only goes to London.
Also the school system there is a pyramid with only one, highly regarded school at the top and therefore less insanity all round- you just go there no matter what system you come up through.
Hope this helps.
it does help! thanksDon't suppose you know much about schools do you?
Hi OP - we live in a cheap part of Poole and there are some quirks to be aware of in terms of schools.
Your children are too old for the First School in Lilliput which then feeds on to the quirky ‘Junior’ school system-this used to be Middle School system but with each Middle school starting at different ages therefore making them both hard to compare and then requiring another move before high school e.g. First, middle, then high but with loads of kids leaving middle/junior in y7 to go to grammar.
There is a pre-eminent Junior school in Lower Parkstone which is fine up to Year 6 but then you are forced to choose again for the high school. Most parents at the pre-eminent school opt for the Grammar school in Poole but clearly that is not a guaranteed place.
Be aware too that girls sitting the Grammar test are eligible to apply for both the Poole Grammar school and the Bournemouth one with the same test. This year the threshold for the Bournemouth school was significantly higher than the Poole one. So my daughter has a place in Poole but did not make the score for Bournemouth (happy with that as Parkstone was our top choice), I don’t know how it works for the boys.
The other high schools in Poole have some excellent Heads and if you want more information on them feel free to PM me. However, I have noticed that a lot of the private schools have minibuses down and round Sandbanks to pick up kids early and take them out to the bucolic splendour of the green belt??. Make of that what you will.
Final thought - have you considered Dorchester? Nice town with less bedlam and well-heeled friends who live there love the way you can dip into East Dorset urban beach style as well as finding some quieter places on the Jurassic coast to the West. Direct train to both Bristol and London too whereas Poole only goes to London.
Also the school system there is a pyramid with only one, highly regarded school at the top and therefore less insanity all round- you just go there no matter what system you come up through.
Hope this helps.
We moved to Wimborne 6 years ago and are very happy here. 14+ pubs, coffee shops, but also charity shops. But lots of independent places and 20 minutes drive to Poole.
We moved from (upper) Parkstone, as my wife wanted a nice place to walk to when we had children. If you're taking Sandbanks budget then there is a nearby road called Arrowsmith road which has large houses on large plots. Plenty of space for 10 car garages - perfectly ph.
We moved from (upper) Parkstone, as my wife wanted a nice place to walk to when we had children. If you're taking Sandbanks budget then there is a nearby road called Arrowsmith road which has large houses on large plots. Plenty of space for 10 car garages - perfectly ph.
Miocene said:
We moved to Wimborne 6 years ago and are very happy here. 14+ pubs, coffee shops, but also charity shops. But lots of independent places and 20 minutes drive to Poole.
We moved from (upper) Parkstone, as my wife wanted a nice place to walk to when we had children. If you're taking Sandbanks budget then there is a nearby road called Arrowsmith road which has large houses on large plots. Plenty of space for 10 car garages - perfectly ph.
I’d never been to Wimborne or Poole until a couple of years ago for work. I always had in my mind that Poole was a lovely place, boy were my expectations destroyed! I had a night out in Wimborne while I was there, and thought it was lovely (possibly assisted by beer)We moved from (upper) Parkstone, as my wife wanted a nice place to walk to when we had children. If you're taking Sandbanks budget then there is a nearby road called Arrowsmith road which has large houses on large plots. Plenty of space for 10 car garages - perfectly ph.
ChevronB19 said:
Miocene said:
We moved to Wimborne 6 years ago and are very happy here. 14+ pubs, coffee shops, but also charity shops. But lots of independent places and 20 minutes drive to Poole.
We moved from (upper) Parkstone, as my wife wanted a nice place to walk to when we had children. If you're taking Sandbanks budget then there is a nearby road called Arrowsmith road which has large houses on large plots. Plenty of space for 10 car garages - perfectly ph.
I’d never been to Wimborne or Poole until a couple of years ago for work. I always had in my mind that Poole was a lovely place, boy were my expectations destroyed! I had a night out in Wimborne while I was there, and thought it was lovely (possibly assisted by beer)We moved from (upper) Parkstone, as my wife wanted a nice place to walk to when we had children. If you're taking Sandbanks budget then there is a nearby road called Arrowsmith road which has large houses on large plots. Plenty of space for 10 car garages - perfectly ph.
Empty shop units don't tend to hang around too long in general.
Sim75 said:
Stereolab said:
Is that Liliput mate?
Don't suppose you know much about schools do you?
Hi OP - we live in a cheap part of Poole and there are some quirks to be aware of in terms of schools.
Your children are too old for the First School in Lilliput which then feeds on to the quirky ‘Junior’ school system-this used to be Middle School system but with each Middle school starting at different ages therefore making them both hard to compare and then requiring another move before high school e.g. First, middle, then high but with loads of kids leaving middle/junior in y7 to go to grammar.
There is a pre-eminent Junior school in Lower Parkstone which is fine up to Year 6 but then you are forced to choose again for the high school. Most parents at the pre-eminent school opt for the Grammar school in Poole but clearly that is not a guaranteed place.
Be aware too that girls sitting the Grammar test are eligible to apply for both the Poole Grammar school and the Bournemouth one with the same test. This year the threshold for the Bournemouth school was significantly higher than the Poole one. So my daughter has a place in Poole but did not make the score for Bournemouth (happy with that as Parkstone was our top choice), I don’t know how it works for the boys.
The other high schools in Poole have some excellent Heads and if you want more information on them feel free to PM me. However, I have noticed that a lot of the private schools have minibuses down and round Sandbanks to pick up kids early and take them out to the bucolic splendour of the green belt??. Make of that what you will.
Final thought - have you considered Dorchester? Nice town with less bedlam and well-heeled friends who live there love the way you can dip into East Dorset urban beach style as well as finding some quieter places on the Jurassic coast to the West. Direct train to both Bristol and London too whereas Poole only goes to London.
Also the school system there is a pyramid with only one, highly regarded school at the top and therefore less insanity all round- you just go there no matter what system you come up through.
Hope this helps.
it does help! thanksDon't suppose you know much about schools do you?
Hi OP - we live in a cheap part of Poole and there are some quirks to be aware of in terms of schools.
Your children are too old for the First School in Lilliput which then feeds on to the quirky ‘Junior’ school system-this used to be Middle School system but with each Middle school starting at different ages therefore making them both hard to compare and then requiring another move before high school e.g. First, middle, then high but with loads of kids leaving middle/junior in y7 to go to grammar.
There is a pre-eminent Junior school in Lower Parkstone which is fine up to Year 6 but then you are forced to choose again for the high school. Most parents at the pre-eminent school opt for the Grammar school in Poole but clearly that is not a guaranteed place.
Be aware too that girls sitting the Grammar test are eligible to apply for both the Poole Grammar school and the Bournemouth one with the same test. This year the threshold for the Bournemouth school was significantly higher than the Poole one. So my daughter has a place in Poole but did not make the score for Bournemouth (happy with that as Parkstone was our top choice), I don’t know how it works for the boys.
The other high schools in Poole have some excellent Heads and if you want more information on them feel free to PM me. However, I have noticed that a lot of the private schools have minibuses down and round Sandbanks to pick up kids early and take them out to the bucolic splendour of the green belt??. Make of that what you will.
Final thought - have you considered Dorchester? Nice town with less bedlam and well-heeled friends who live there love the way you can dip into East Dorset urban beach style as well as finding some quieter places on the Jurassic coast to the West. Direct train to both Bristol and London too whereas Poole only goes to London.
Also the school system there is a pyramid with only one, highly regarded school at the top and therefore less insanity all round- you just go there no matter what system you come up through.
Hope this helps.
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