RE: Citroen C2 VTS | Shed of the Week
RE: Citroen C2 VTS | Shed of the Week
Friday 18th September 2020

Citroen C2 VTS | Shed of the Week

Our second VTS of 2020 is cheaper and of lower mileage. C'est bon ou pas?



What’s the connection between today’s shed and Ferrari? Shed is feeling slightly playful today having finally discovered an ointment that really does ease haemorrhoid sting, so he’s going to give you the answer to that one a bit later on.

At the beginning of this year, Shed brought us a smart 99,000-mile Citroen C2 by Loeb, a 2007 special edition VTS which marked the French ace’s return to Citroen’s works rally team. Shed can't remember how much that car was going for but thinks it must have been near the top end of our £1,500 qualifying limit.

Funny sort of thing, the C2 VTS. Its racy look wasn’t really matched by reality. The 16-valve 1.6 had 123hp at 6,500rpm but there was also nearly 1,100kg to shift and you needed two gearchanges to hit 60mph, which meant it took 8 and a bit seconds to get there. The steering wasn’t that great, nor were the electrics, and the cabin trim was as quiet as eighteen Lego bricks trapped in a kid’s drum. On the plus side there was decent grip and the C2 didn’t have the dephaser system that turned many a sporting Clio into a disposable item.


Today’s slightly cheaper C2 VTS doesn’t have any of that red car’s stickerage, which is a good thing. It’s two years older, which is a less good thing, but the mileage is considerably lower at 51,000. You’d think that would be another good thing until you looked at the MOT reports which give credence to the old adage that it’s not so much the mileage as the way you do the mileage.

In the case of this car we see a very slow annual accumulation of miles (reducing from around 3,000 pa to fewer than 600 in the last year) and a depressing pattern of fails just about every time it was taken in for a test. In all but one year (2012, when it was just the horn) it’s always been the car’s running gear – brakes, suspension and tyres – that’s let it down, indicating a ‘run it till it breaks’ approach to maintenance by whoever owned it.

The tester handling our Cit in July this year probably had to send off for another ink cartridge after printing out a long list of ‘repair immediately’ entries that were mainly to do with the rear brakes, but that also included a check engine warning light. It passed the retest in early August, all the major defects being sorted, but whoever owned it at the time crossed only two items off the equally long list of advisories. The next owner can do the same thing and ignore the remaining four (dodgy spare, worn offside rear brake disc, damaged nearside mirror and non-serious corrosion to the front subframe), but at some point, two of those are going to need doing.

There’s no mention in the ad of the cambelt having been changed, or of a service history. As we know, this type of vehicle tends to be popular with younger folk. Without wishing to tar all young ‘uns with the same brush, Shed has noticed a big change in car owning philosophies since he was a lad. Most motorists of his generation knew how to mend a fuse with a bit of silver paper from a fag packet, repair a sill with the runners and riders section of The Sporting Life, or fix a holed piston with a nice dod of solder on the day of sale.


It’s all changed now. For today’s fast-moving consumers, cars are no different to the mobile telephone. They either work, in which case fine, or they don’t, in which case get a new one. To Shed’s regret, everyday motoring skills, like plugging rad leaks with old bananas or annealing your own crankshaft at t’side o’ t’road, have been totally lost.

What else can we tell just by looking at this car? Well, the stains on the driver’s seat and the dog sticker in the back window tell you that it might need disinfecting, the bottle of water in the door pocket might suggest a healthy lifestyle or a less healthy need for post-rave rehydration, and the wrenched-off taillight lenses in the boot might be seen as confirmation of all your worst old-man prejudices.

Going back to Shed’s teaser at the beginning, the connection with Ferrari is that the C2 was designed by the same bloke who designed the 430 Scuderia, California, 599XX and 458 Italia, one Mr D Coco. You have to think that he was under orders when he was at Citroen because the C2’s front end is more reminiscent of the corrugated steel HY vans that you see dispensing £5 cups of coffee at festivals. You’d like to think that the C2’s more modern design would provide you with a bit more crash protection than the HY, or the famously flimsy Saxo.


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Discussion

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,467 posts

143 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Sounds like a better example of the C2 VTS but I'd rather have something different - variety is the spice of life and keeps SOTW interesting.

paradigital

1,062 posts

172 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Much rather the Saxo VTS I feel. It’s lighter, far more nimble and as a result of the lightness, faster to boot. It’s also better looking. Who needs crash protection anyway wink

alorotom

12,634 posts

207 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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I had one of these as a courtesy car for a couple of weeks (when my SportKa was being written off) years ago when they were new.

I was shocked at how poor it was as an overall package - slow, cumbersome, poor mpg, heavy steering

They haven’t aged well either imho

Filibuster

3,358 posts

235 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Semi good, I recon.

Not bad, but not great either.

Turbobanana

7,644 posts

221 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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I don't really get the whole MoT stalking thing.

For most folk, the annual test is the only way they know something might be wrong with their car. The presence of a constantly changing list of failures ought to be viewed as a good thing, rather than being mocked. One of my cars passed its test yesterday with advisories for "corrosion of brake and suspension components" which, frankly, feels like a win. I'd be expecting corrosion there because it's white goods and I don't crawl underneath and polish it. Will I replace them? Yes, but only when I have to.

cerb4.5lee

40,171 posts

200 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Filibuster said:
Semi good, I recon.

Not bad, but not great either.
I think this is where I'm at with it too.

benzinbob

750 posts

76 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Turbobanana said:
I don't really get the whole MoT stalking thing.

For most folk, the annual test is the only way they know something might be wrong with their car. The presence of a constantly changing list of failures ought to be viewed as a good thing, rather than being mocked. One of my cars passed its test yesterday with advisories for "corrosion of brake and suspension components" which, frankly, feels like a win. I'd be expecting corrosion there because it's white goods and I don't crawl underneath and polish it. Will I replace them? Yes, but only when I have to.
Have fun with your corroded stbox, I have exhaust mountings to polish.

sjabrown

2,043 posts

180 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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C2s are quite poor cars. They do feel their weight over the predecessors (Saxo/106) without a boost in power. Suspension components made of cheese too.

I co-drove in one in a one-make series for these in the woods and they were fragile compared to the 205s!

Mike1990

1,118 posts

151 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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I like it because it’s dying breed of a low weight, little revvy N/A warm-hatch, regardless if it wasn’t a good as its period rivals.

Konrod

908 posts

248 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Is it me? How long would it have taken to wipe down the drivers entry sill and the drivers door bin so it didn't look covered in mud, give the seat a wipe over and wipe the boot mat/remove the lights that make you wonder if it's been in an accident?

I get that these are sold at a price and you need to watch the margins, but that was all of £1 of work which would have presented it far better in the pictures, which is key to selling online.

And I have no good experience of these so I'm out wink

Quhet

2,766 posts

166 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Have always like the way these look, in a funkyish roller skate sort of way, but I'd not be persuaded to get one. Then or now. Flimsy and a bit st...

LochTay

2,483 posts

85 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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The last time I saw one of these, it had a neat dent in the underside of the bonnet where piston 2 had exited the engine....

Not with a bargepole for me.

greenarrow

4,427 posts

137 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Whilst I understand you can get obsessive with the MOT history page of the DVLA, it really doesn't paint a good picture this time. The car has only managed to pass its MOT 1st time on 4 occasions during the 13 years it has been eligible for an MOT. Sure, older cars in particular will frequently fail on consumable items, but this car was failing regularly from 4 years old! Doesn't point to a car that has been cared for and given the PSA group car's general reputation for extreme fragility during this era, I would steer clear of this one!

fantheman80

2,271 posts

69 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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As a 21 year old, and avid reader of max power, I traded in a series 1 106 Rallye for a saxo vts and thought I’d reached the holy grail. 0-60 in the 7s? Wowsers. I didn’t even test drive it, picked it up, went up the motorway slip road and.....is that it? Was a bit of a disappointment to be honest.....so this must have been a real stinker even when new...

The Dictator

1,454 posts

160 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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I can't really think of any redeeming features.

Must try harder.

flashy

15 posts

226 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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We had one of these, the HDi version, we mapped it and it went like brown stuff off a shovel. Very lightweight and upset some porsche boxters in its day.

I wish we hadn't sold it, as it could still outpace a lot of new cars for a trip to the shops

David87

6,925 posts

232 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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This is one of those rare replacement cars that is massively worse than its predecessor. Do not want.

Rob 131 Sport

4,157 posts

72 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Like previous comments, this is very poorly presented and as such wouldn’t inspire much confidence as regards care and maintenance.

A shame really as I would imagine these would make a good cheap car.

With reference to the young and not maintaining their cars. With my eldest I’ve given up other then checking the oil (recently caught it just before seizure). The second youngest, I take things into my own hands and get it serviced. The 3rd child has not reached driving age yet. However she is not far off and is eyeing up Fiat 500’s (Lounge versions in Green).

MikeInEssex

289 posts

78 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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flashy said:
We had one of these, the HDi version, we mapped it and it went like brown stuff off a shovel.
Same, bought one new in 2008, a VTS HDI and had it remapped almost straight away. It was an absolute hoot, was very easy to encourage a little slide with lift-off oversteer and although weightier than its predecessors, with the remap it wasn't a slouch. I remember at the time reading reviews and it being absolutely slammed for handling etc, however, personally I thought it was amazing and loved that it was almost written off by the press so could somewhat be under the radar.

Unfortunately, the engine, along with other components let go around 110k (4 years) and it was scrapped. I absolutely loved it, but I'm looking back with rose tinted specs


J4CKO

45,341 posts

220 months

Friday 18th September 2020
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Turbobanana said:
I don't really get the whole MoT stalking thing.

For most folk, the annual test is the only way they know something might be wrong with their car. The presence of a constantly changing list of failures ought to be viewed as a good thing, rather than being mocked. One of my cars passed its test yesterday with advisories for "corrosion of brake and suspension components" which, frankly, feels like a win. I'd be expecting corrosion there because it's white goods and I don't crawl underneath and polish it. Will I replace them? Yes, but only when I have to.
I agree in part but tyres with cords showing through or the source of the screeching or clonking shouldnt be an MOT testers discovery.

Not everyone is into cars but to use one on the road every driver should be able to look at a tyre and make a judgement call as to whether it is worn out, I think there is cluelessness but also a bit of "La La La not listening" as if you look at them and they are knackered it may mean spending on them.