RE: Land Rover Freelander | Shed of the Week
RE: Land Rover Freelander | Shed of the Week
Friday 15th January 2021

Land Rover Freelander | Shed of the Week

Not for the first time, Shed invites you to take leave of your senses



It's been six and a half years since the last 1.8 Freelander appeared in Shed of the Week, and two and a half since the last KV8-engined 2.5. You may say that this dearth of Freelanders is because there have never been any examples good enough to get beyond the short list and onto the published electronic page, and in all honesty there could be some truth in that.

On the other hand, there are some surprisingly clean looking ones still around and, despite the unflattering two-minute hose-down and legal briefcase-full of 'nowt to do with us' disclaimers littering its ad, this week's 1.8 seems to fall into that category.

Donning his dusty old barrister's wig, Shed has been trying to justify the purchase of this particular car to himself, as this is in fact the sort of thing he would happily buy for himself. He likes to champion the underdog, and the forum following this story will most definitely include more than one poster suggesting that there are few vehicles more deserving of that title. They might leave the 'under' bit out, however.


Is it such a bad car, though? Stop shouting 'yes!' for a minute and consider the positives. Stop shouting 'there are none!' for a minute and please listen quietly to the case for the defence.

Unlike the grown-up members of the LR family the Freelander didn't have locking diffs, a low-range transmission or a separate chassis. In the case of the chassis, looking at the heroic rusting of those LRs that did have one, this was very much a good thing. The Freelander did have full-time four-wheel drive however and the first version of LR's clever Hill Descent Control system.

Admittedly, it also had a fairly unreliable viscous centre diff, a K-series 1.8 engine using gaskets recycled from cornflake boxes, a fragile gearbox, fracturing rear hub assemblies, front seats that would tip forward under heavy braking, sagging rear door hinges and chafing wiring harnesses that at a moment's notice would kill off any or all of the following items of minor importance: fuel pump, lights, aircon, ignition, engine management, ABS, HDC, and SRS. The Freelander also acquired a weird reputation for exploding rear screens, a fascinating phenomenon that even William Shatner's UnXplained could not Xplain.


But are these not mere trifles? Yes, you may say there's a huge power gap between the 174hp 2.5 V6 and the 115bhp 1.8 four, but surely it's better to be going relatively slowly when the ECU blows in the middle of a stormy night run to the Trossachs? And can you name any other car with such a clever ability to switch to two-wheel drive on the fly by breaking its own rear diff mounting? No.

Most of the Freelander's troubles were on early models, which some might say were the ones built between 1997 and 2006. This is a 2001 1.8 petrol. There was a diagnostic connector issue on 2000-2002 1.8 petrols, which for a car with so many potential problems was possibly the biggest problem of all, but at least its 2001 birth date means that our shed won't have the wonky child locks that appeared on cars built between July and September 2002.

Shed loves all this stuff. He loves it when things go wrong because the time he takes to fix them is less time he has to spend downwind of Mrs Shed. It also takes him back to the characterful days when Britain had a motor industry, when car owners needed more than a basic understanding of welding and annealing before they dared to venture out onto the open road.


Setting its minor foibles aside, you may take the same view on this Freelander as Shed, which could be summarised as 'if it's got this far it's been looked after and could be all right for a bit yet'. It's only had four owners, the MOTs have never thrown up anything more worrying than a corroded brake pipe (the last six certs being effectively clean) and Shed would bet a full pound on there being very clean seats underneath those lovingly applied viscose seat covers. Earth yourself carefully before removing them, obviously.

There's still plenty of winter to go yet, and as a station car this can be relied upon to provide ample warmth and comfort from pushing it to the side of the road and then waiting for the AA man.

Right, that's it, please pile in now.


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Gareth9702

Original Poster:

393 posts

153 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Buying this can only be based on the logic that it must be a very rare good one to have lasted so long. But why buy it? There are better towing cars, better off-road cars, and better SUVs for similar money (Rextons, X-Trails, Pajeros ...). A shed for motoring flagellation.

Billy_Whizzzz

2,468 posts

164 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Always thought the low torque k series 1.8 a crazy engine for a 4x4.

darkyoung1000

2,356 posts

217 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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The shed is an absolute no from me....for most of the reasons mentioned. The article itself was excellent and made me chuckle though.

apm142001

287 posts

110 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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The K series isn’t nearly as bad as people like to make out, and there are well-established fixes about for the gasket issue (if it happens - never did to me, on two different examples driven extremely hard for a few years). However, I really can’t imagine what it’s like in a heavy 4 x 4, as all the power is above 4K, and there isn’t much torque at all.

Though of course, given that this is a Freelander that’s hardly it’s biggest problem...

I also hate dealers like this, ‘sold without warranty’, blah blah blah. They try to charge dealer prices then offer the terms of a private sale.

Good article though as always, ‘downwind of Mrs She’d’ made me chuckle.

SteveTTT

123 posts

157 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Not the worst shed, but maybe one of the most gutless in 1.8 petrol form. We bought an old TD4 about 8 years ago as a shopping/dog car. Ran it for 2 or 3 winters, in which time I replaced a split turbo hose, 1 door lock motor and 2 electric door mirrors, and had a rear passenger door check strap fixed (retaining plate spot weld failed). It wasn’t bad to drive, just crap build quality especially the horribly pilled alcantara-ish seat fabric, which got quickly hidden under a set of Titan waterproof covers. Put on a set of Yoko Geolander ATs which were really good on and off road (sadly I never got a chance to try it out in snow). I think we just tired of it and it was bought by a lady who moved it and herself to live and work in the Falkland Islands.

Drive Blind

5,557 posts

198 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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just as well I've still got my rusty butter knife from last week - only had one knob though.....

mrpenks

385 posts

176 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Having owned a disco 1, disco 2, disco 3, P38 and L322 I can say, wholeheartedly that this company’s products from this era are ‘horrific’ ownership propositions. Do not, for one moment, think you can depend on it. It even has a K series FFS.

Pinkie15

1,248 posts

101 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Dash is so reminiscent of that in my 600, though presume more based on the 400/45.

Which really means it's mid-90s Honda

TristPerrin

147 posts

199 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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I had one of the most memorable drives of myearly driving years In a Freelander:

The Freelander in question was the pool "off-road" vehicle for callouts to reservoirs when I worked for the local water company. As a fresh new tech out of his apprenticeship I was quite excited to drive the thing over my usual Vauxhall Astravan.
It was around 2am in the middle of winter when I was driving home from a job that the clutch/gearbox gave up and decided it really liked 3rd gear and only that gear.
Not wanting to be the subject of ridicule in the office the next day and just wanting to get home to bed, I managed to limp it all the way home (some 40+ miles) in 3rd gear. Eventually bringing it to a gentle stall outside my house.

Bloody horrible thing to drive otherwise.



Edited by TristPerrin on Friday 15th January 07:50


Edited by TristPerrin on Friday 15th January 07:50

njw1

2,617 posts

132 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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I thought the garage was called 'Backside 4x4 Centre' at first glance, probably would've been more apt...

alorotom

12,637 posts

208 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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There’s a strange allure to these for me. No idea why mind, never even sat in one never mind driven one.

I do prefer the 3dr, softback guise though.




loudlashadjuster

5,963 posts

205 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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The Article said:
Even a V8 would not be able to redeem these horrible machines.

Quhet

2,768 posts

167 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Absolutely not. Whilst these look pretty funky and would be good fun when (if) working, the horror stories about these are massively off-putting. Probably one of the few cars that everyone, not just 'car people' knows is massively unreliable and shouldn't be touched laugh

apm142001

287 posts

110 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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njw1 said:
I thought the garage was called 'Backside 4x4 Centre' at first glance, probably would've been more apt...
rofl

greenarrow

4,427 posts

138 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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I'm assuming the lockdown means there is a poor selection of cars to choose from as this year's two choices have been, er, slightly uninspiring to say the least! Not a fan of any Land Rover products to be honest, except perhaps the S3 Freelander which I quite like and I have a soft spot for the original RR Sport with the supercharged Jag engine. So its a no from me!

p4cks

7,258 posts

220 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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The interior hasn't aged well, it looks like an 80's Toyota

randomeddy

1,601 posts

158 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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My wife had her heart set on one of these when she got a pay out from work a few years ago.

At first she would not listen to me about how troublesome they could be so we went looking at a few, it wasn't a lot of money so we were at the lower end of the market. After viewing a few that all had major issues we spotted a Honda CRV parked next to the Freelander we had gone to view. She liked the colour rolleyes , had a go in it and we bought it.

We got seven years out of the CRV and just as it hit 200k miles it failed the MOT with just too many issues so weighed it in. Shame, great car. From what we saw of the Freelanders we would have been lucky to get 12 months out of one.

anonymous-user

75 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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We owned a 3dr 2003 one. It was on its second or third engine under warranty and was a foolish choice but absolutely nothing went wrong with it at all and we eventually traded it for a FL2.

J4CKO

45,376 posts

221 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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I am usually fairly charitable about old stuff like this but didn't see what the appeal was when new and certainly don't now.

The bigger K series were more prone to Headgasket issues and being in a bigger, heavier vehicle didnt help either as more to lug about and that meant the drivers would tend to labour the engine more to get the thing to shift. I read that the problem is that the K is very light and is designed to warm up quickly, but not as quickly as a Freelander being hoofed from cold so everything gets hit by hot water before its had chance to warm up evenly, and it expands at different rates causing movement and headgasket issues due to the inherent design flaws. Any K experts please feel free to correct any of that if its wrong. The Chinese MG's still use a K variant, some with a turbo and they seem to avoid HGF.

Apparently Headgasket problems can be pretty much avoided nowadays with the knowledge out there so maybe this one has had whatever remedial work is required, but still potentially fragile in that and other ways.


InitialDave

14,154 posts

140 months

Friday 15th January 2021
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Is it possible to scrape through the bottom of a barrel?