RE: Road warriors | Buy Hard

RE: Road warriors | Buy Hard

Saturday 13th February 2021

Road warriors | Buy Hard

Everyone's favourite 911 is back, but it won't come cheap. What about the half price alternatives?



It doesn't seem long ago that the forums were ablaze with indignation about 991 GT3 values and availability; yet here we are again, with a new version of the Porsche 911 everyone has an opinion on.

Primarily, that's because GT3s are sublime driver's cars. For more than 20 years now they've represented perhaps the best a 911 can be: less compromised for road use than an RS yet so much more exciting than a Carrera it's a surprise they share a name. That looks set to continue with the current car, assuming the stunning 9,000rpm flat-six remains. And even if doesn't, who better than Porsche Motorsport to take on the task of making new technology authentically rewarding? It did alright with electric power assistance and four-wheel steer, after all.

But there's no escaping the fact that getting behind the wheel of a GT3 is not going to be an affordable exercise. Firstly, because a 500hp 911 of any stripe will always come with a premium befitting the experience, but also - if the 991 was anything to go by - because GT3 demand very often outstrips supply. Those lucky enough to get an allocation can't lose: either they keep what is likely to be a great 911, or they sell for (presumably) a tidy profit. Handy.

For Buy Hard this week, then, we're going to look at those cars built to a similar template - combining everyday ease with proper track focus - but which cost rather less than a box-fresh 992. Assuming an asking price in the region of £130k, we're aiming for half that. The cars we're after are those that have emerged over the past 20 years in the GT3's wake, effortlessly combining motorsport influence with the manners expected of a 21st century sports car. To the classifieds...



BMW M4 CS, 2019, 1k, £60,000

The BMW M4 CS has not always enjoyed the best of luck. When new, it was burdened with an extravagant asking price of almost £90k - an amount made to seem all the more preposterous when BMW confirmed the M2 CS not long after, a car that offered all the CS good stuff with a manual gearbox option. After that it was overshadowed by the heavily trailed arrival of a new M3/M4 pairing and another CS, this time the most powerful M car ever. Apparently it can't catch a break.

That's something of a shame, because the M4 CS is a fantastic car, and anyone thinking about a racy street car in the GT3 mould (albeit for rather less cash) should absolutely consider it. Alright, it won't howl to 9,000rpm, but as a road and track compromise this is comfortably as good as the F8x generation got. Which meant it was fairly excellent, actually. Moreover that new price means nothing now: this one has just 1,132 miles under those lovely Style 763M wheels and is for sale at £60k.

What you'll get for that is one of the great modern M experiences; everything that's being crowed about in the M2 CS, in fact, for rather less money. In this car the CS suspension and tyre upgrades made for both a more focused and more capable M4 - which a 7:38 'ring time confimed - but also one to derive greater overall enjoyment from as well. Because you felt like a more intrinsic part of the car you had the confidence to push the CS a little more. There was none of the aloofness of waywardness of the stock model, which made it a fitting swansong to a contentious generation of M3/4. Quite what the future holds for the new car's reputation remains to be seen, but don't be surprised to see the CS revisited in years to come. Especially if they keep depreciating... MB


Lotus Evora 400, 2016, 18k, £46,995

I like an M4 CS as next as the next man, but what's really called for here is a purpose-built sports car. And the only firm which arguably strikes as compelling a balance between road and track as Porsche is Lotus. Of course the Evora was very much intended to rival the output of its German nemesis. Lotus wanted it to be livable and broadly likeable in a way the Elise and Exige could never hope to be - while retaining the uncanny handling ability that Hethel-built cars are world famous for.

The facelifted 400 was its second go at the concept. A new charge cooler delivered more power, the sills were lower and thinner, the car lighter overall and now in possession of a limited-slip diff. Only a diehard Lotus fan would claim the interior lived up to the pseudo-luxury standard that Porsche applies to every 911, but it was adequate for everyday use - and sublime to drive fast virtually everywhere.

Save perhaps for the somewhat unwieldy gear shift, the Evora delivered handsomely on the essentials, and conveyed its driver right to the heart of the mid-engined experience. Like the GT3, it could be driven 200 miles to a track, lap to dazzling effect, and then return you home without grinding your patience or spine to dust. And sure, it was prohibitively expensive when you factored in some of its more obvious shortcomings - but time and depreciation have helpfully removed the edge from that issue. A 400 with very modest miles can be had for comfortably less than £50k, as this Carbon Grey example proves. Not quite on par with the performance we can expect from the latest GT3, perhaps - but way more than half as good. NC


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blue al

Original Poster:

944 posts

159 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Cross shopping a gt3 on half the money ?
Want low depreciation, have another car for daily duties,

Something for the weekend sir ?

I think something like this would be your best bet

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11269661?c...

Or like this

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11001581?c...

Chubbyross

4,546 posts

85 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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That Evora looks stunning!

Twinair

662 posts

142 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Surely a Tesla model 3 electric vehicle is the way to go? As we keep being told on the forums, EV’s are the future & are now the performance kings in literally every way. I mean you get the excitement of an iPad in the middle of your cabin & software updates too! Move on people - the forum pundits are right, ICE = old normal and bad, EV = new normal & good.

rodericb

6,736 posts

126 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Twinair said:
Surely a Tesla model 3 electric vehicle is the way to go? As we keep being told on the forums, EV’s are the future & are now the performance kings in literally every way. I mean you get the excitement of an iPad in the middle of your cabin & software updates too! Move on people - the forum pundits are right, ICE = old normal and bad, EV = new normal & good.
+1

You forgot about the auto pilot and that you'll not have to drive the car yourself. I hear that the new Tesla Roadster is going to have some sort of hover function (!) and you'll be able to download it into your Model 3 Performance. Try that with your ICE dinosaur car!

Kipsrs

431 posts

49 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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For me, there is just something so right about the shape of the Evora, from every angle it looks purposeful and yet pretty at the same time. . . I could be tempted out of a Porsche for one, one day!

mrpenks

368 posts

155 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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I must buy an Evora

Ray_Aber

481 posts

276 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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I'm not a massive fan of grey, and I hate black wheels, and yet, and yet....

That Evora looks amazing. Really striking. Not conventionally beautiful - too many creases and detail graphics - but it just...works. I'd be very tempted. I AM very tempted!

Great find.

As for the BMW, it's okay if you like cars the colour of a 1970s Bedford van, but I don't see it as a competitor to the 911 GT3. If the BMW is in the frame, I'd get a Giulia QF. Six seconds faster round the 'Ring - very important*, I'm sure you will agree ;-)

( * no it isn't)

NDNDNDND

2,018 posts

183 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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I'd love that Lotus. Still way more money than I'll ever afford, sadly.

Slowlygettingit

647 posts

41 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Chubbyross said:
That Evora looks stunning!
Until you see the Peter Stringfellowesque interior.............

Slowlygettingit

647 posts

41 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Come on PH staff - there must be more than 2 alts.

I suppose a GT4 is another but is that missing the point - likewise a 997 GT3 but for that kind of money it’d have to be a bit leggy and I havent seen one in the £60’s since before this latest lockdown.

Or https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11089874?c...

Again apologies about the interior

Edited by Slowlygettingit on Saturday 13th February 09:04


Edited by Slowlygettingit on Saturday 13th February 09:05

Billy_Whizzzz

2,007 posts

143 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Kipsrs said:
For me, there is just something so right about the shape of the Evora, from every angle it looks purposeful and yet pretty at the same time. . . I could be tempted out of a Porsche for one, one day!
For me there is something just so wrong about the shape of an Evora, from every angle. I could never be tempted out a Porsche for one, ever.

cerb4.5lee

30,534 posts

180 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Ray_Aber said:
I'm not a massive fan of grey, and I hate black wheels, and yet, and yet....
My thoughts exactly. Grey is such a dull/boring colour yet that looks lovely to my eyes. I can also almost forgive the black wheels too. The drivers seat looks like it's been sat on for 118k miles rather than 18k though, which is a bit of a shame.

pss1

339 posts

258 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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It was all going well until I saw the tart’s handbag interior in the Evora hehe

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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I’ve never driven an Evora but they do really appeal.
Part of it is due to the fact that I have loved every Lotus I’ve owned and partly that it isn’t a 911 (and therefore not the obvious choice).
Problem is I also love 911’s and miss my old one horribly.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Twinair said:
Surely a Tesla model 3 electric vehicle is the way to go? As we keep being told on the forums, EV’s are the future & are now the performance kings in literally every way. I mean you get the excitement of an iPad in the middle of your cabin & software updates too! Move on people - the forum pundits are right, ICE = old normal and bad, EV = new normal & good.
I'm trying really hard but just can't figure out what the fk that has got to do with the article.

swisstoni

16,980 posts

279 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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The Evora looks very good now. It’s a shame that Lotus didn’t tweak the design for sooooo long when it didn’t look so good. Even TVR made little changes quite often to keep things going.

GingerMunky

1,166 posts

257 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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The Evora has always looked like a supercar and that example is truly stunning!

Trickytimes

32 posts

188 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Slightly concerning that the last service on the Evora was 2.5 years ago!

Stevemtb

85 posts

43 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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It's a shame and i'm probably missing out on a great car, but the Evora interior is awful, couldn't live with it. Either the previous owner was a big lump or the quality of the seats is shocking, they look like they've seen 10 yrs or 150k miles!

Gecko1978

9,704 posts

157 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Stevemtb said:
It's a shame and i'm probably missing out on a great car, but the Evora interior is awful, couldn't live with it. Either the previous owner was a big lump or the quality of the seats is shocking, they look like they've seen 10 yrs or 150k miles!
I seem to recall from an episode of wheeler dealers that having an inferior refreshed is actually quite good value and can literally wind back the clock. I seem to recall they treated the leather and made it look new. Of course if red is not your thing then its still an issue but how much would a retrim be.

I ask because I am thinking about a car purchase of something special that I will keep forever (current budget is 25k but come on btc keep going). The evora seems special and I suspect as a long term toy and project would still be fun till the day they ban ice cars. The BMW to me is just a 3 series.