RE: 6.0-litre W12 for sale, includes Audi A8 LWB
RE: 6.0-litre W12 for sale, includes Audi A8 LWB
Monday 20th September 2021

6.0-litre W12 for sale, includes Audi A8 LWB

The W12-powered flagship was thought mostly pointless 20 years ago. In 2021, we double dare you



Does any car speak more to the craziness of the used-to-be than an Audi A8 powered by a 6.0-litre W12? Sure, the engine also featured in the Volkswagen Phaeton - but the Phaeton was itself a Ferdinand Piech pet-project already attuned to a wavelength that no-one else could hear. If anything, strapping in conjoined VR6 motors was in keeping with its scary-eyed, the-market-will-obey approach to car making.

The A8, on the other hand, was well established as a proper luxury car. A proper luxury car, let's not forget, with comparative lightness at the heart of its appeal. The D2, launched in 1994 and built on the 'Audi Space Frame', had beguiled half the world with its all-aluminium smarts and was doing perfectly fine with all manner of other large engines - including, most notably, the 4.2-litre V8 that helped the S8 to Ronin-based movie stardom.

Three years after De Niro's gurning, the W12 was introduced as the flagship model. Wikipedia reckons just 750 D2s were made before the unit migrated to the incoming D3 - and that's what we have here. Naturally the engine did not want for outright power; it may have been twin turbocharged elsewhere to launch a Bentley GT forward in the appropriate manner, but 450hp and 428lb ft of torque was plenty enough for wafting titans of industry between city and airport.



The problem, if we can call it that, is that virtually every other engine in the A8 lineup was similarly good at the job. In fact, most contemporaneous reports from the time suggest the petrol V8 (and later the 5.2-litre V10) were a better overall choice, and consumed markedly less fuel after you'd paid a lower price for them in the first place.

Of course the significant difference in outlay was part of the original point. Avaricious buyers in some markets didn't buy the W12 because they like the cut of its oversized gib, they bought it specifically because it was the most expensive thing on the menu. (Unless they were Jason Statham fans, in which case they definitely bought one because of Transporter 2. And 3.)

Which is all fine and good at the time, but, as ever, it does mean that such cars eventually appear among the unloved flotsam and jetsam of the secondhand market. This splendid 2005 LWB example has absorbed a trifling 57k in 16 years presumably spent just above idle, and can be had for £10,450. This slightly newer example with many more miles aboard, is £450 cheaper. A few oddities aside, you cannot buy a larger-engined real-world appropriate car in the classifieds for less money. And we definitely think you should. Because otherwise who will believe that such things existed in the next 20 years?




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McRors

Original Poster:

421 posts

79 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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What a wonderful folly that car would be! You could imagine telling the grandkids “Yes, my car had 12 cylinders and, if pushed, did 12mpg. “

anonymous-user

77 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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70 photos in the ad and nothing of the W12 engine.

Fail.

mwstewart

8,396 posts

211 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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Very nice.

Water Fairy

6,448 posts

178 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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Bloody hell there's some big bill potential there! Love it nonetheless.

MightyBadger

3,972 posts

73 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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Love it.

The spinner of plates

18,080 posts

223 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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I didn’t know the W12 snuck it’s way into the D2.

Learn something new everyday!

Augustus Windsock

3,713 posts

178 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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Water Fairy said:
Bloody hell there's some big bill potential there! Love it nonetheless.
Big pill?
More like an overdose...!

biggbn

30,233 posts

243 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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That is rather wonderful. What is the story with these engines, I know the Phaeton was a Piech vanity project so you woukd expect them to be fantastically engineered? I'd always thought my 10k would go on a Lexus Ls600hl given the opportunity but they are more than double the miles at that price

Edited by biggbn on Monday 20th September 20:59

Drakey52

115 posts

164 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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D3 4.2 TDI Sport one of the best cars I have ever owned. Apart from being a bit large in some situations it did everything from school run to transcontinental trips to surprising cross country speed. All in great comfort and with a great V8 grumble, with an interior that still looked almost new when I sold it at 115k miles. Just had a look on DVLA and it's still running with 180k on it. Respect. This would be a fine (if, as a LWB, even larger) way to waft about for 10k.

anonymous-user

77 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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This thing will cost you a grand before you even get it home.

Mr Tidy

29,518 posts

150 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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I don't need a car like that and I even if I did I would never be brave enough!

But it's great to know that they exist. Good luck to anyone brave (or should that be mad) enough to take one on. thumbup

SR

337 posts

228 months

Monday 20th September 2021
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gottans said:
70 photos in the ad and nothing of the W12 engine.

Fail.
70 photos and none showing drivers seat, dash etc.
Wonderful madness non the less.
Surely if it all went t”ts up it would be worth nearly the purchase price in parts?
Tempted but now in Portugal


forzaminardi

2,298 posts

210 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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To this day I think this generation of A8 has one of the best-ever interiors. The V10 S8 is definitely a car I'd like to try. The W12 by all accounts isn't as bonkers as it sounds like it should be.

Scabutz

8,713 posts

103 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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I came within a hair of buying one of these. I wanted the v8, but they were rare. A w12 came up and I went to have a look. It was interesting and I was tempted, but something just wasn't right with it. Can't really put my finger on it but something screamed massive bills ahead

Ended up with the V10 S6 instead. Which came with some massive bills.

Arsecati

2,724 posts

140 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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Anyone else find this a really difficult read? Or is it because I'm just old, that I now have to re-read paragraphs to try work out what the hell it was I just read?

stuart100

1,068 posts

80 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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Arsecati said:
Anyone else find this a really difficult read? Or is it because I'm just old, that I now have to re-read paragraphs to try work out what the hell it was I just read?
Most pointless post of the week.

virgilio

438 posts

168 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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I love D3 A8s. Probably peak luxury saloon (everything that came after is just too big). I was wondering which is actually the most reliable engine in the series? I know the V10 (at least in S6 format) is particularly fragile, but I have no clue about the v8 and w12.

benzinbob

750 posts

79 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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virgilio said:
I love D3 A8s. Probably peak luxury saloon (everything that came after is just too big). I was wondering which is actually the most reliable engine in the series? I know the V10 (at least in S6 format) is particularly fragile, but I have no clue about the v8 and w12.
The v10 isn’t bad

saaby93

32,038 posts

201 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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Wasnt there another car that won out in Ronin?

howardhughes

1,322 posts

227 months

Tuesday 21st September 2021
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Funkstar De Luxe said:
This thing will cost you a grand before you even get it home.
laugh So true