RE: Porsche confirms all-electric 718 for 2025
RE: Porsche confirms all-electric 718 for 2025
Friday 18th March 2022

Porsche confirms all-electric 718 for 2025

40 per cent of a record breaking 2021 was electrified for Porsche; by 2030 the lineup will be 80 per cent EV



It's easy to miss on a quick read. But there, in amongst the details of a bumper 2021 for Porsche - 301,915 cars delivered is the first time ever over 300k - is the confirmation we all knew was coming. The Porsche 718 sports car will be electric only in just three years.

At Porsche's financial results conference, Porsche Chairman Oliver Blume announced that by the middle of the 2020s, "we want to offer our mid-engined 718 sports car exclusively in all-electric form". It will follow the electric Macan, due next year, and the Taycan family of models. But a Boxster and Cayman EV feel even more significant than those, given how they've celebrated Porsche flat sixes for so long - and you thought the fuss about flat fours was bad.

Still, you can hardly blame Porsche, given how well electrified cars have been received by customers. In a record breaking 2021, 40 per cent of the Porsche sold in Europe were electric or hybrid; by 2025, Blume reckons half of global Porsche sales will be electrified, then 80 per cent all-electric as soon as 2030. Which is nothing if not rapid progress, and why a 718 EV is coming as soon as 2025.


Porsche's own charging infrastructure is coming, too. Having invested "a high double digit million amount" in Cellforce Group last year, Porsche-specific high performance battery cells are being developed that "are expected to be ready for series production by 2024." So presumably that's when we'll first see an electric replacement for the 718, aka two years away. When Euro 2024 will happen. Not long, basically.

The rest of Porsche's announcements for the past fiscal year weren't quite as momentous, but were no less impressive. The Macan remains the biggest seller, emphasising the importance of a successful transition to EV; moreover, to sell 88,362 units of a car that's been on sale since 2014 - even with a refreshed interior for 2021 - is some feat. The Cayenne wasn't far behind, with 83,071 shifted.

And as if to indicate the strength of Porsches sales at the moment (as well as the direction it's headed), 2021 was a record year for the 911, with 38,464 finding customers. Yet it was still bested by the Taycan, with 41,296 delivered. China was again a huge market, taking almost a third of the total volume (96,000), with the USA up 22 per cent over 2020 with more than 70,000 units. Then there are the really big numbers: sales totalled €33.1bn, growing 15 per cent, with operating profit at €5.3bn - that was up 27 per cent on 2020.


Which puts Porsche in a strong position to forge ahead with its ambitious strategy, even if the war in Ukraine will undoubtedly have an impact. "We have challenging months ahead of us, both economically and politically, but we are nevertheless sticking to our strategic goal, which has been firmly anchored for years, of ensuring an operating return on sales of at least 15 percent in the long term," said CFO Lutz Meschke. (For 2021, the return was 16 per cent.)

You wouldn't bet against Porsche given its most recent results, and the growing popularity of electric in all shapes and sizes. Make a 718 EV look like last year's Mission R concept and Porsche may even convince some of the doubters, too...



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paulwhittaker

Original Poster:

8 posts

128 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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All those lovely noises about to be replaced with whines and whirrs.
Buy all the real cars while they still exist and look after them for ever.

Miserablegit

4,391 posts

132 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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I see they are now making them in washing machine white…

I wonder if the 718 will have a 1400rpm spin cycle.

At least an electric power train will get rid of the engine mount woes.

I’m not keen on the idea of an electric sportscar but I do like the idea of a Taycan for family duties. At least
Porsche are offering interesting electric alternatives.

Jawls

780 posts

74 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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I’m very interested to see how this turns out, and if it requires bloating the 718’s footprint, or what compromises need to be made to avoid bloating (in terms of size, not weight).

Also interested to see if this ends up being silly money.

Still, 2025 is miles away so it’ll be a while til we find out!

Lexington59

974 posts

88 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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Issue will be, as is usual for EVs: range. Which in this application will be a major compromise with weight. Low weight = low range. Would be great if they can resolve this constant bugbear of electric cars but I suspect we are still some years away and 2030 will get kicked into the long grass.

(Braces for EVangelists pushing their fringe use cases.)

burman

361 posts

236 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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I am on my second Cayman- a 15 reg CGTS which is a great car, but I am not interested in an EV version, so I shall have a couple of years to secure a 4.0 lt 718 GTS which will be a keeper- quite sad really.

btdk5

1,861 posts

213 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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Miserablegit said:
I’m not keen on the idea of an electric sportscar but I do like the idea of a Taycan for family duties. At least
Porsche are offering interesting electric alternatives.
Don’t think you can beat an electric car for daily/family duties but for a sports car….no gear box, no revving it out, no decent noise, weight penalty not a great start.

That being said I don’t think Porsche make a car I wouldn’t want so hopefully they pull something out of the bag.

murphyaj

1,272 posts

98 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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Will this make the 718 the first fully electric sports car? The original Tesla Roadster was hardly mass market, and the upcoming roadster remains vaporware , so neither of those count for me and the electric hypercars are a different thing entirely.

I'll be curious to see how the market responds to such a thing. Despite the inevitable protests on Pistonheads that an electric Cayman marks the End Of Days I suspect it will do rather well. The arguments that EV enthusiasts make in favour of their cars can certainly apply pretty well to this kind of car. As for me, I'll be hanging on to my V8 for the time being, but I'm hardly in their target market anyway.

TheOctaneAddict

1,148 posts

70 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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I'm sure it will be great, and probably sound better than the 4 pot laugh

But I'm not that interested, electric cars work great for commuting and daily duties, not being a fun sportscar.

Panamax

8,209 posts

57 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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Lexington59 said:
Issue will be, as is usual for EVs: range. Which in this application will be a major compromise with weight. Low weight = low range.
My guess is they'll offer various versions and allow buyers to choose a performance/range balance that works for them. One imagines they could also stray to 2WD and 4WD alternatives.

WCZ

11,288 posts

217 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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makes sense, with the clean air zone coming in etc if you want to use a sportscar and not pay a daily charge then i'm sure porsche will do it well

LucyP

1,773 posts

82 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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And it will get rid of the current 4 cylinder 718 that sounds like a VW Beetle.

Trikster

915 posts

225 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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Quite excited by this - the technology is moving at such a pace that I think we’ll be amazed at what will be possible by 2025

Ok, will miss the noise but the electric power delivery in a mid ‘engined’ car could be a fun mix (though will be keeping the current flat 6 too wink )

Freakuk

4,405 posts

174 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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We all knew it was coming, it'll be interesting to see for sure.

Having owned a 981 CGTS, it wouldn't be for me, but I do like how Porsche seem to do things so I'm curious.

Based on current tech, it'll either be larger/heavier to maintain range, or have a shorter range in a similar package, neither of which appeal.

Olivera

8,485 posts

262 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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It's going to be a fat bd isn't it? I'm guestimating at a 1850kg Cayman.

davidc1

1,621 posts

185 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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I dont get why they dont offer an ICE 718 from 2025 to 2030...
This will weight 1800kg. And apart from being very fast i cant see the appeal. Sad times. Bloomin rulemakers.
I will keep my 981 spyder and spend my cash on my house, holidays and push bikes instead....

btdk5

1,861 posts

213 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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davidc1 said:
I dont get why they dont offer an ICE 718 from 2025 to 2030...
This will weight 1800kg. And apart from being very fast i cant see the appeal. Sad times. Bloomin rulemakers.
I will keep my 981 spyder and spend my cash on my house, holidays and push bikes instead....
Why sad times?

What would you want to see improved on say a boxster gts 4.0?

magic Monkey Dust

385 posts

59 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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I have owned Porsche flat 6's for the last 30 years. This technology isn't for old drivers like me , the thrill of the rev counter is any long term enthusiasts drug, I've owned every variant from 2.0 to 3.8, once paying just 1200 quid for a 1966 2.0 RHD i had to push the last 100 metres home ( fortunately it weighed F all) I will simply buy the last of petrol versions and use it for as long as possible. Porsche sales figures wont be boosted by me any more.I dont think the old customer base from the 80's and 90's matters to the electric future.
i still remember the launch of the 964 at Porsche Merlin Chesterfield . there was about 10 people there and the ONLY options were a radio or metallic paint!!!!.
oh an floor mats.

Rojibo

1,747 posts

100 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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Guess I’m keeping my GT4 for the foreseeable then….

dunnoreally

1,356 posts

131 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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"Mid-engined electric"? confused

TyrannosauRoss Lex

36,607 posts

235 months

Friday 18th March 2022
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"By 2030 80% of the lineup will be electric"

I thought it had to be 100% by 2030?