RE: Mercedes ML63 AMG (W164) | The Brave Pill

RE: Mercedes ML63 AMG (W164) | The Brave Pill

Saturday 26th March 2022

Mercedes ML63 AMG (W164) | The Brave Pill

An unlikely way to experience one of our favourite engines



Car makers normally wait to introduce major innovations until they have a shiny new car to put them into. This makes lots of sense given the short attention spans of most motoring journalists, some of whom have been known to start snoozing during the ten-minute technical briefings that are typically given before keys are handed over at glitzy launches.

But this rigid cart-follows-horse logic isn't always the case, and certainly wasn't with the now widely revered M156 engine. This being the 6.2-litre naturally aspirated V8 that AMG had been allowed to develop by itself, its first bespoke powerplant since being fully absorbed into the wider Mercedes empire. The motor was a technical masterpiece, but development work had finished well before any of the production cars that would use it were set to be launched. And AMG didn't want to wait for the sound of applause.

So in 2005 the division organised a special demonstration by fitting the new V8 into a pair of former CLK DTM cars, painting both bright orange to stand out better in the pictures, and then booking a day at the Paul Ricard circuit in France so that journalists could come and have a go. I was one of the lucky attendees.


Nobody fell asleep in that classroom session, even though it was a fair bit longer than usual. Wolf Zimmermann, AMG's charismatic head of powertrain, introduced us to the new motor in the loving detail of a new father describing his firstborn. We learned about the exact composition of the 42CRMo4V alloy used for the crankshaft, the F1-inspired bedplate structure, the mechanical detail of the full variable timing across all four camshafts and the motorsport derived bucket tappets to ensure it could rev freely to a 7,200rpm redline. We even learned about the twin wire arc spraying technology which would give the cylinder walls - and I'm quoting from my original notes here - a "tribologically optimal surface and improved durability." (Zimmermann now develops Ferrari F1 engines, so he definitely knows his onions on this stuff.)

The hands-on practical demonstration that followed was more compelling; the cars weighing around 1,300kg and the near-production V8s producing a claimed 510hp - and doing so with little evidence of exhaust silencing. The session soon turned into a festival of over-exuberant oversteer, much of it involving the outer reaches of Paul Ricard's tarmac run-off areas. Another up-and-coming AMG engineer was on hand to demonstrate the 6.2's potency and hooligan potential - Aston boss Tobias Moers. I remember him acceding to a photographer's demand for tyre smoke with what must have been a 100ft rolling burnout.

I left the event in possession of an AMG-branded suitcase which is still going strong, but - bribe aside - also convinced that this was going to be one of the early 21st century's great road car engines. 20:20 hindsight has caused me to roll back on many of my journalistic predictions over the years, but I've never changed my opinion on that one. There was just one jarring note, when Mercedes told us the first car to get the new engine would be the hulking great second-generation ML SUV. Which didn't feel like a very obvious fit.

To cut to the chase, it took less than a year to confirm it wasn't.


The W164 was massively better than its predecessor. The first-gen ML had been offered with AMG's 5.5-litre version of the regular Mercedes V8, and had struggled to cope with the 342hp that produced - its ladder-framed chassis having all the sophistication and refinement of a matelot's 3am chat-up line. The new ML63 had a monocoque structure and shared much of its underbody with the W211 E-Class, and it certainly never felt overpowered despite having an extra 160hp. But the new powerplant never felt like an obvious choice for something so big and heavy, peak torque arriving at a very un-SUV 5,200rpm.

The AMG could be made to lift up its skirts and fly, a stamped throttle launch would blast it through 0-62mph in just six seconds. But it needed to rev to perform, and the seven-speed auto got plenty of exercise whenever acceleration was required. Until the launch of the first-generation Cayenne Turbo S, it was the fastest SUV in the world.

The need to apply welly led to the other obvious downside: fuel economy that made the ML63 into a rolling environmental hatecrime. Even in those less enwokened times the AMG's ability to gargle its 95-litre tank was close to terrifying. The official combined economy figure was 17.1mpg, and parsimonious restraint when cruising would indeed get close to that figure, or even beyond it. But urban trundling, or the sort of enthusiastic use any M156 encourages, could push consumption into the low teens, or even single digits.


Yet for those who could stomach the running costs, there was still plenty to like about the brawniest W164. Permanent all-wheel drive denied it the tail-happy handling of its rear-driven sisters, but also makes for impressive dynamic stability in slippery conditions - not to mention a respectable degree of off-road ability. Like its lesser sisters the cabin was spacious, well-equipped and much better finished than the first-gen ML and its burger box cabin plastics.

Fast forward to 2022 and although the ML63 might not be the most compelling wrapper for this sonorous engine, it does seem to be the most affordable. The M156's ubiquity at the top of the range means there is no shortage of 63-branded Mercs to choose between: C63, E63, S63, R63, GL63, CL63, CLS63, SL63 - plus the gullwinged SLS. But barring the unloved oddball which was the R63 AMG, the ML seems to be consistently cheapest when age and mileage are factored in.

We have seen and Pill'd cheaper M156-powered cars than this £15,990 Pill - the similarly aged, mildly modified W204 C63 AMG that featured last year is an example. But when both cars were new the ML63 would have been more than 50 percent dearer.


Befitting the need for some spice, our Pill has covered a reasonably serious 143,000 miles, although that figure is offset by the promise of a comprehensive service history to back the selling dealer's claims of motorway mileage. (The advert also says the most recent service happened on Thursday this week, which is enticingly precise.) As a black car that's been photographed on a sunny day there are some shiny bits visible on the front bumper which may be scuffs, but - to judge from other angles - are probably just shiny reflections. The MOT history is a restful shade of green, with nothing but inoffensive advisories in recent years. Even the last fail wasn't for any mechanical issue, flunking in 2013 when every single tyre was below minimum tread requirements. With so much performance, and so much weight, its not hard to understand the appetite for rubber.

It might seem hard to make much of a rational case for such a festival of excess, but here goes. Fuel cost peaks often seem to hit the values of the greediest guzzlers disproportionally hard, leaving them to rebound when pump prices ease. Okay, there's an obvious 'if' proviso in there too, but the very fact this car is so obviously unsuited to the world where £2/ litre seems a real possibility might make it the perfect time to open negotiations about buying it.


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JohnG1

Original Poster:

3,485 posts

218 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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The engine is a sublime work of genius.

Everything else is dreadful.

The gearbox is slower than a snail on valium. The foot release for the handbrake is like something from the 1920s

One test drive and a no thank you...

British Beef

2,469 posts

178 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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Very large and compromised packaging for a great engine.

A Range Rover TDV8 is probably better in every single way, apart from noise and reliability.

Motormouth88

524 posts

73 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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You'd need to be an absolute lunatic to buy this these days

FaustF

768 posts

167 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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"its ladder-framed chassis having all the sophistication and refinement of a matelot's 3am chat-up line."

Great line

r159

2,361 posts

87 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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JohnG1 said:
The engine is a sublime work of genius.

Everything else is dreadful.

The gearbox is slower than a snail on valium. The foot release for the handbrake is like something from the 1920s

One test drive and a no thank you...
Horrible cars, the most uncomfortable experience I have had (including prostrate checkup) was sitting as a passenger for 3 hrs in one of these. I didn’t realise the foot release for the handbrake, that sounds dangerous. On the Mercedes I’ve driven the foot pedal operated the handbrake then a dash mounted lever released it.

Mysstree

524 posts

59 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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So what happened between your good self (Mr Duff) and the matelot after his attempted chat up in some bar near Paul Ricard at 3 am in the morning?

Walter Sobchak

5,725 posts

237 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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The Cayenne Turbo just seems like a much better proposition to be honest, nice engine though.

AC43

12,452 posts

221 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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To me, that's waste of a good engine.

I'd have it in a heartbeat in a CLS, though. Lower, lighter better.

Or even better, I'd have one with the 55k lump or later twin turbo one. I fancy the instant torque.

Miserablegit

4,253 posts

122 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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r159 said:
Horrible cars, the most uncomfortable experience I have had (including prostrate checkup) was sitting as a passenger for 3 hrs in one of these. I didn’t realise the foot release for the handbrake, that sounds dangerous. On the Mercedes I’ve driven the foot pedal operated the handbrake then a dash mounted lever released it.
This is no different - it’s foot activated and a dash mounted lever to release.
I had a petrol ML with the air springs and never found an acceptable setting- my next one was standard springs and was fine for long European trips.


cerb4.5lee

36,187 posts

193 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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AC43 said:
To me, that's waste of a good engine.

I'd have it in a heartbeat in a CLS, though. Lower, lighter better.

Or even better, I'd have one with the 55k lump or later twin turbo one. I fancy the instant torque.
I think that I'm in your camp with this. I absolutely loved the E53 X5 4.8iS that I had, but weirdly I wasn't always completely sure if the engine really suited the car though(as much as I loved the noise it made and its smoothness).

I did smile at the 17.1mpg combined figure for this though!

Harry Flashman

20,305 posts

255 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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I can't believe this horror show is £15k, frankly.

I do love that the put this engine into absolutely everything though. Remember the R63 AMG? Mental.

don logan

3,639 posts

235 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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I’ve owned an S Class with this engine for 3 years and I still remember hoe shocked I was by the ML63’s MPG when I used one for a few days when they were a current model, I just couldn’t believe it BUT it may have a lot to do with the fact that I also couldn’t believe the engine so kept having to “test it” :-)

don logan

3,639 posts

235 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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Harry Flashman said:
I can't believe this horror show is £15k, frankly.

I do love that the put this engine into absolutely everything though. Remember the R63 AMG? Mental.
I was a bit fascinated by the R63, I’vd seen 2 but as time goes on I can’t imagine that it wasn’t the same one!

alec.e

2,149 posts

137 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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Nice engine, the rest no thanks...

Driven a ML350 of the same vintage, it was a poor effort from Mercedes. Range Rover preferable anyday.

FlukePlay

1,093 posts

158 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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Has the Merc ML ever been a decent car? I know the early ones were woeful but how about the latest generation?

GTRene

18,671 posts

237 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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great engine, would love to see such in a SLK 55 AMG = hotrod.

Funky Squirrel

413 posts

85 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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I seriously considered one of these just over a year ago. Would have been my practical and silly car in one. Ended up in a tdv8 range rover instead, arguably the better car for less money but I do miss the sound and silliness if it.

Another look at auto trader show some if the same cars that were for sale over a year ago... Do these really not sell!

broncoupe

162 posts

239 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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I find it amusing the lack of knowledge BS that people write
I have owned a ML63 for 4 years It wins outright on Smiles per mile when purchase price is factored in
Servicing no dearer than my modified R53 Cooper S which is a daily driver has been for 8 years
Fuel you dont have one of these as a daily driver my tip keep fuel tank on top half and just top up
Performance traffic light grandprix very little will embarrasse you
Mine isnt going anywhere soon other than SPM duty

Leins

9,845 posts

161 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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FaustF said:
"its ladder-framed chassis having all the sophistication and refinement of a matelot's 3am chat-up line."

Great line
I did laugh at that one too

I had an ML55 and it was a categorically awful vehicle. I loved it though, because it was also bonkers and made no sense at all. It felt like the car equivalent of a red setter we had who used to run into trees

Luke.

11,354 posts

263 months

Saturday 26th March 2022
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broncoupe said:
Fuel you dont have one of these as a daily driver my tip keep fuel tank on top half and just top up
I don't get you. So if you always have half a tank it's cheaper? You use what you use regardless of topping up or not.