RE: Ferrari 360 Spider | The Brave Pill
RE: Ferrari 360 Spider | The Brave Pill
Saturday 22nd October 2022

Ferrari 360 Spider | The Brave Pill

Is this a case of roofless ambition?


The high level of love among commentariat for the Maserati MC20 Cielo this week turned the thoughts of the Brave Pill selection plenary committee – meeting at an abandoned greyhound stadium – at to whether it would be possible to find something similar on a considerably lower budget. 

A discussion that quickly led, though the 56k connectivity of the editor’s Nokia 9210 Communicator, to this very attractively priced Ferrari 360 Spider in the Classifieds. Okay, so the £54,945 asking price is hardly pocket change – and represents almost half of the £113,000 pre-options this 2002 example would have originally cost – but it still means this is a 21st century ragtop Ferrari for less than a quarter the price of that sleek new Maserati.

The most impressive thing about the Cielo, other than its show-stopping looks, is the minimal compromises it demands buyers make over its Coupe sister. Something which definitely didn’t used to be the case: in the eighties and early nineties roadsters and spiders were inevitably heavier, floppier and dynamically blunter than their fixed-roof siblings. People were more likely to buy them for posing than driving.

The Ferrari 360 Spider was one of the first cars that changed that. It was entirely possible to buy one exclusively for the purposes of showing off, and that was likely much of the motivation behind a substantial percentage of sales. But it was very nearly as good to drive as the Coupe, and that was very good indeed.

Rewind to the Ferrari 360’s introduction in 1999 and its specs read like science fiction. Early reviews were as fulsome as a misspelt state prison in California for what was, by general consensus, the most user-friendly mid-engined Ferrari up to that point. Equally impressive was the fact the company’s engineers had managed to extract a peak 395hp from just 3.6-litres of naturally aspirated V8. That was a road car specific output record that was only narrowly beaten when the Honda S2000 arrived a few months later. For a measure of just how otherworldly the Ferrari looked consider the fact that the 996-generation Porsche 911 Turbo that was launched slightly afterwards required two turbochargers to puff its 3.6-litre flat-six to a barely-better 414hp.

Of course, the Porsche had much more low-down torque than the Ferrari, with the 360’s peak 275lb ft arriving at a peaky 4,750rpm. But it would have been perverse to complain about this shortfall given the joy that came from working the V8 hard. The motor had been built to rev with a flat-plane crank and titanium conrods, with peak power coming at a heady 8,500rpm, just 200rpm before the red line. The 360 relished life in the top quarter of its rev range, and sounded savage when taken there – even with the factory exhaust that many owners later swapped for something fruitier. It was both a technical tour de force and a sales hit, quickly becoming the most popular Ferrari up to that point.

The open-topped Spider was launched a year after the fixed-roof Modena, with road testers impressed to discover how dynamically similar the two cars were. The Spider weighed just 60kg more than the coupe, and although its aluminium structure had lost a little strength in the decapitation process, intelligent structural reinforcement meant the perceived difference was minimal. Stowing the top also gave a far better appreciation of the 360’s rasping exhaust note - and the tiny fabric hood even allowed the Spider to keep the Modena’s glass engine cover.

A then-new 360 Spider starring in a winter-themed magazine feature I was involved in. A group of roadsters and cabrios were assembled in mid-Wales in mid-winter, with orders that the roofs had to stay down throughout despite air temperatures hovering around zero. Most of the cars there were outright miserable regardless of the number of hats and scarves being worn in the freezing slipstreams; the heater of the MGTF barely blew warm, presumably as it was busy digesting its head gasket. But although the Ferrari was far from toasty in the Arctic conditions it was more than special enough to warrant a blue nose and tingly ears, the V8 sounding even snarlier than usual in the thin, cold air. That car was a manual, and my abiding memory of the day was the almost painful chill of the solid metal shifter in its open gate. Something which didn’t discourage me from changing gear as often as possible.

Right, onto the present day. The good news is that our Pill is sitting in the most desirable part of the Ferrari 360 Venn diagram. While 348 and 355 Spiders are cheaper than the coupes, that equation is reversed for the 360, with the ragtop commanding a supplement. Similarly, the manual gearbox is now preferred over the snappy automated single-clutch ‘F1’ transmission which Ferrari’s early noughties sales execs went out of their way to persuade buyers to specify. So as a manual Spider our car has won both of those coin tosses.

So why the enticing price? Two obvious reasons present as to why this is the cheapest Spider in the classifieds. Firstly, silver paintwork in a part of the market where punters prefer the traditional Rosso or something jazzier. Secondly, having covered 69,000 miles, a figure that – ludicrous as it might seem – is twice the average of the other 360s currently listed on the site. Given the youngest 360 is now 18 years old, there have evidently been lots of owners who have made minimal use of their dream cars.

Presuming the colour and odometer tally hasn’t sent you running for the hills, there is plenty to like about our Pill. Paintwork and trim looks impressively fresh in the images, as does the fabric hood. The Porsche specialist dealer selling it has helpfully listed pretty much the entire service history, with the most cambelt change having been done by a specialist in April last year, and the one before in May 2019. That’s interesting given that a glimpse at the MOT history behind the obscured plates shows a gap between clean passes in April 2019 and February this year – suggesting that the last owner was diligently following the maintenance regime even with the car off the road. 

There is nothing else scary in the recent test history but rewinding to 2014, just 1,000 miles ago, produces a prodigiously red fail list that includes the doozy “rear registration plate missing” – which has to be the most egregious MOT preparation failure in history. It also flunked for worn tyres, wonky headlight aim and a non-functioning handbrake while also earning a crop of advisories over worn suspension components. The fact it seems to have been comprehensively sorted out after this, with the vendor saying the most recent owner had the car for seven years, suggests it really has been mollycoddled since.

Keeping any Ferrari in fettle will require plenty of ongoing spend, but the 360 is widely reckoned to be about the most wallet-friendly of the clan, vastly more so than the earlier V8s which require engine removal for their timing belt swaps. Exhaust manifolds can crack expensively, clutches are unlikely to last past 20,000 miles even with the manual gearbox – and much less with an F1 – and suspension balljoints should pretty much be treated as a service item. But, barring catastrophe, running costs should be closer to painful than agonising.

Big, scary spiders are not normally something you want to encourage to live in your garage. Here’s one you might.


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gapthree

Original Poster:

8 posts

187 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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Being the first to comment, I have to say I like it in Silver & the only brave part might be justifying the colour to those who would only have their showboat in red.

Dombilano

1,411 posts

81 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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It's only brave if you go into this thinking it's gonna be cheap to run. I'd be straight to Ferrari for a check up, didn't these have rear sub frame cracking issues?

yme402

624 posts

128 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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Like most Ferraris this model will have its day again, but at the moment the styling of this is not ageing well to my eyes.

Mark_Blanchard

1,037 posts

281 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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They’re great cars and I can confirm are wallet friendly.

Turini

469 posts

192 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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Can’t get much cheaper for a V8 manual gated Ferrari. Sure, it’s going to cost some to maintain but there isn’t any significant complexity to it to frighten you senseless

Set an annual budget, factor an engine build in the next 5 years and enjoy taking it out to the red line in most of the gears with the roof down and get on with it

mrclav

1,645 posts

249 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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Sorry, it still looks like a bar of soap - this car was never an aesthetic highlight for me from Ferrari's mid-engined catalogue, I'd much rather a 458.

keo

2,872 posts

196 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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I would much rather a 458 but they are a lot more money!..

I love the 360 it was a poster car for me growing up. Thought about buying one a few times but never got there. The bills do put me off but from what I have read they are “reasonable” for a Ferrari. I drove a 360 and a Gallardo at a track day. Didn't have a very good experience in the 360, loved the lambo but still it’s the 360 I think about.

NigelTVR

61 posts

75 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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Silver on a 360 looks great. It’s true the spyder gets a premium but I reckon the Modena looks better. I would say this though since I have a silver one, in my eyes I’d say they are ageing very well. The advertised one is cheaper because of the miles not so much the colour I guess?

Opportunity to post a pic of mine



Arsecati

2,748 posts

143 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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Always found these to look a little bit meh, and time really hasn't changed that. I think the subtle changes to the 430 certainly helped to lift it, but I think at this price bracket, I'd be making a beeline to a Gallardo.

0ddball

914 posts

165 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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I have no love for supercars in general, but always had a soft spot for the 360. Looks wise it is similar to the 911, showy but still something you could use as an everyday car, especially in dull as dishwater silver.

But it's the silver that would spoil this car for me. I guess you could always budget for a top quality wrap in something more interesting.




FlukePlay

1,167 posts

171 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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Arsecati said:
Always found these to look a little bit meh, and time really hasn't changed that. I think the subtle changes to the 430 certainly helped to lift it, but I think at this price bracket, I'd be making a beeline to a Gallardo.
My thoughts exactly. Styling wise, going from the 355 to this took some mental adjustment which I think the 430 helped address. Over time it looks ok, but the frontal area/headlights still don't convince.

TREMAiNE

4,152 posts

175 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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While there is no doubt the 355 is the better looking car, I do think the 360 is aging exceptionally well.

I was born in '92, and while the first Ferrari I ever went in was a 355 when I was 4 or 5 years old, the 360 was always the model I thought of when someone said Ferrari, simply because its the model I grew up with. At the time, I did find the styling a little blind, however, I think these are aging really, really well and are starting to look rather pretty and elegant.
They're subtle and not show-offy like current supercars - yet at the same time it still stands out and catches your eye. That level of subtly yet captivating styling had been lost from car design for a long time.


If I had another 15k or so, I think it's what I'd be moving into next - hopefully prices stay low for another couple of years.

I've never been a big fan of the bodywork colour inside the headlight though, I think it'd probably look better without that.

Edited by TREMAiNE on Saturday 22 October 07:54

essayer

10,381 posts

220 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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These have aged well. Great to see this one being used as intended!

GianiCakes

647 posts

99 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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I think that’s a fantastic looking car and colour combo, and the price doesn’t seem bad for a manual either. Clutch wear can be measured by a dealer and I don’t think they’re necessarily as fragile as the article suggests. My Scud has over 20k on it and last time it was checked the clutch was only 30% worn. I seem to recall the F1 360 had a high reverse gear which was reckoned to account for quite a lot of the wear. Not sure if that’s also true of the manual but it’s best to treat them gently when they are cold.
Hill Engineering ball joints are said to be much better quality than the originals should they need replacing.
Properly maintained this should not be an overly expensive car to run, relative to a Boxster for example, and really should be depreciation free at this point. Mileage is not bad as regular use often means fewer problems than cars that have spent most of their life stationary.

Edited by GianiCakes on Saturday 22 October 08:33

Chubbyross

4,931 posts

111 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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I’ve always loved the 360. It’s such a graceful design and is ageing well, imho. This one looks to have been driven and enjoyed, which makes it more of an interesting car to me. It’s also great to see a dealer publishing loads of decent photos. I’d happily take a punt on this with a decent borkage fund on standby.

anonymous-user

80 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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NigelTVR said:
Silver on a 360 looks great. It’s true the spyder gets a premium but I reckon the Modena looks better. I would say this though since I have a silver one, in my eyes I’d say they are ageing very well. The advertised one is cheaper because of the miles not so much the colour I guess?

Opportunity to post a pic of mine


Thats borderline perfection love it..

Sandpit Steve

14,165 posts

100 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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It’s brave, if you think that it won’t require extensive maintainance to keep properly serviceable.

On the other hand, it’s one of the last manual Ferraris, will likely trend up in price in the medium term (ignore the short term though, where anything might happen!)

One hell of a lot of car for the money though. Like!

someoneelse

110 posts

208 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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F20CN16 said:
“Early reviews were as fulsome as a misspelt state prison in California for what was, by general consensus, the most user-friendly mid-engined Ferrari up to that point.”

What!
Folsom State Prison. That's an excellently terrible pun.

Silver *really* suits this. I've never been too convinced on the 360 styling (the F355 was my childhood idea of a Ferrari, so this was "different") but the Spyder bodywork works much better.

If it's your only Ferrari (which at this end of the market I guess is likely?) a non-Rosso Corsa colour is pretty nifty too. More discerning etc - I recall Steve Coogan had a 355 in grey for exactly that reason.

Given me the idea for a new shed/pill type series - investment cars. Something like this must be at the bottom of the depreciation curve; the miles might impact future prices but proper chef's kiss specification - surely it can only go up (the prospective buyer says to their spouse, bank manager, etc)

wpa1975

14,251 posts

140 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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Nothing wrong with silver, good to see a car like this used and enjoyed.


biggbn

31,252 posts

246 months

Saturday 22nd October 2022
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TREMAiNE said:
While there is no doubt the 355 is the better looking car, I do think the 360 is aging exceptionally well.

I was born in '92, and while the first Ferrari I ever went in was a 355 when I was 4 or 5 years old, the 360 was always the model I thought of when someone said Ferrari, simply because its the model I grew up with. At the time, I did find the styling a little blind, however, I think these are aging really, really well and are starting to look rather pretty and elegant.
They're subtle and not show-offy like current supercars - yet at the same time it still stands out and catches your eye. That level of subtly yet captivating styling had been lost from car design for a long time.


If I had another 15k or so, I think it's what I'd be moving into next - hopefully prices stay low for another couple of years.

I've never been a big fan of the bodywork colour inside the headlight though, I think it'd probably look better without that.

Edited by TREMAiNE on Saturday 22 October 07:54
To my eyes the 360 is innumerable times better looking than the 355 which was unfortunately styled in my opinion, a mishmash of 70s/80s Ferraris; nothing anchors a car in an era like pop up lights, whereas the 360 has the organic elegance of an old Dino or the like, a voluptuous supercar style that knocks the older car into a cocked chapeau