RE: Porsche confirms Panamera unveil for November
RE: Porsche confirms Panamera unveil for November
Thursday 14th September 2023

Porsche confirms Panamera unveil for November

Third-gen Panamera gets two chassis options, a bigger battery and probably the best part of 800hp


If niche lap records are discounted, it’s been a little while since the Panamera has hogged any headlines. Partly that’ll be because it’s not really the big four-door’s style, but also there’s been a lot else happening on planet Porsche: 911 and Taycan ranges that grow by the week, a new Cayenne, and end-of-the-road 718 specials to name a few. But now it’s the turn of the Panamera to take centre stage, as the reveal of its third generation draws closer (as does 15 years of the Panamera, the original model shown at Shanghai in 2009).

The most significant news for this latest model is an uprating of the battery technology for the plug-in hybrid models alongside what is almost certain to be a choice of revised V6 and V8 petrol engines. Porsche says there will be four PHEVs this time around (compared to three for the current model), employing the 25.9kWh battery just announced for the Cayenne. Customer demand - not to mention the latest emission legislation - dictates it: Porsche reckons that E-Hybrids make up ‘almost 100 per cent’ of Panamera sales in some markets, so of course it’s going to make more of them. A 11kW onboard charger will help reduce the amount of time plugged in, and testing has shown these Panameras to be travelling up to 70 per cent further on electric than the last generation. There’s surely some cause for excitement in all this, too, because the new battery has helped create the 739hp Cayenne Turbo E-Hybrid - so expect to see a similar amount headlining a V8-powered Panamera of the same designation. Perfect car to rival a newly electrified, 750hp BMW M5.

As standard, the Panamera gets a semi-active chassis, with dampers that can regulate compression and rebound independently of each other - very clever. But this is a new Porsche, and that means there’s something even cleverer on the options list. For the first time, the Panamera will be offered with an active chassis ‘and a wider range of additional functions.’ Dr Thomas Friemuth, head of the Panamera product line, said of the new tech: “With the active chassis we are setting new standards. We could feel this on every meter of our test drives – very comfortable on the cobblestones in Barcelona harbour, and highly dynamic and agile on the winding country roads outside the city. An incomparably wide range.” With rear-wheel steering, variable all-wheel drive and likely a stiffer platform also on the prospective menu, it’s hardly like the outgoing Panamera is a duffer to drive, either, so expectations are high. Whether or not Porsche has gone the whole hog with the chassis revisions and introduced the 'GT Package' now available with the new Cayenne remains to be seen.  

We won't have long to wait. With a testing programme that’s stretched from Scandinavia to South Africa, the 2024 Porsche Panamera is almost ready to be shown to the world. Its reveal will take place at the Icons of Porsche Festival in Dubai on November 24th, Porsche making the most of this 75th anniversary year until the very end. And if that has you thinking it might be a good time to look at old Panameras, join the club: this Turbo S has £40k off its new price, with a 630hp V8 and 196mph potential. Nice.


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Numeric

Original Poster:

1,499 posts

175 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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I appreciate in many markets these will make sense, but in say the UK and if the range issue is not a real problem for you, would people ever choose this over the Taycan?

This is a real question not a dig at either car, I'm interested as to why you wouldn't just go electric, the only thing I can imagine is engine engagement might play a part?

I should say both Taycan and Panamera I assume are probably a wonderful drive and seem in a similar segment but sadly out of my league financially so I'm just interested.

Edited by Numeric on Thursday 14th September 11:07

Water Fairy

6,453 posts

179 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Weren't folk slating the Taycan last week? Dunno personally but it sounds like they are not as good.

TNH

592 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Numeric said:
I appreciate in many markets these will make sense, but in say the UK and if the range issue is not a real problem for you, would people ever choose this over the Taycan?

This is a real question not a dig at either car, I'm interested as to why you wouldn't just go electric, the only thing I can imagine is engine engagement might play a part?

I should say both Taycan and Panamera I assume are probably a wonderful drive and seem in a similar segment but sadly out of my league financially so I'm just interested.

Edited by Numeric on Thursday 14th September 11:07
I'm currently looking for a used Panamera hybrid having traded in my Taycan last December.

I'm hoping this works better as I'm in the office 2-3 days a week where I can get there and back on electric only and then dont have to worry about the charging network when I'm doing site visits around the UK 1-2 days a week.

redroadster

1,886 posts

256 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Will make a good used buy there's some cheap older models out there that look value if ypu can afford running costs .

romac

608 posts

170 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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TNH said:
Numeric said:
I appreciate in many markets these will make sense, but in say the UK and if the range issue is not a real problem for you, would people ever choose this over the Taycan?

This is a real question not a dig at either car, I'm interested as to why you wouldn't just go electric, the only thing I can imagine is engine engagement might play a part?

I should say both Taycan and Panamera I assume are probably a wonderful drive and seem in a similar segment but sadly out of my league financially so I'm just interested.
I'm currently looking for a used Panamera hybrid having traded in my Taycan last December.

I'm hoping this works better as I'm in the office 2-3 days a week where I can get there and back on electric only and then don't have to worry about the charging network when I'm doing site visits around the UK 1-2 days a week.
^^^ This is an important point!

I've always liked the Panamera, and never quite understood all the negativity. Like @Numeric, they are out of my league financially frown

SDK

2,956 posts

277 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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I would just buy one of the Taycan variants over this because EV's work for me

iphonedyou

10,166 posts

181 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Numeric said:
I appreciate in many markets these will make sense, but in say the UK and if the range issue is not a real problem for you, would people ever choose this over the Taycan?

This is a real question not a dig at either car, I'm interested as to why you wouldn't just go electric, the only thing I can imagine is engine engagement might play a part?

I should say both Taycan and Panamera I assume are probably a wonderful drive and seem in a similar segment but sadly out of my league financially so I'm just interested.

Edited by Numeric on Thursday 14th September 11:07
You'd buy a taycan if leasing through a business. Privately you'd buy the Panamera.

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

48 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Numeric said:
I appreciate in many markets these will make sense, but in say the UK and if the range issue is not a real problem for you, would people ever choose this over the Taycan?

This is a real question not a dig at either car, I'm interested as to why you wouldn't just go electric, the only thing I can imagine is engine engagement might play a part?

I should say both Taycan and Panamera I assume are probably a wonderful drive and seem in a similar segment but sadly out of my league financially so I'm just interested.

Edited by Numeric on Thursday 14th September 11:07
I guess because some just want a last throw of an ICE while they can, others still need the comfort of an ICE to add back up to short-term PHEV 'leccy range.

This time last year, I bought a brand new V8, the same cash could have bought a Taycan. I was tempted, but as I know my next car will almost certainly be (at least partly) electricity biased, this was a chance to have a few years in a noisy, anti-social V8. (an SUV just to annoy even more people)

daytona111r

880 posts

228 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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After starting off looking like a dog, after 3/4 iterations they've finally got the Panamera (Touring version) looking almost perfect I'd say . . . so chances are they are going to ruin it again with fussy details . . becasue bored

thelostboy

4,699 posts

249 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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I like the look of the Panamera but at the same time it almost looks like the "old shape" version of a Taycan. The Taycan simply looks like its a couple of generations newer.

It's a shame they simply can't effectively do a petrol powered Taycan really. Because as poster has said above, in reality if you're doing real miles relying on an electric-only car has its risks. Let's face it, 90% of Taycans are business contract hire purchases, demoted as a school run car.

Dannythemusicman

85 posts

118 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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From an interior perspective, anybody who has sat in a Panamera and then subsequently sat in a Taycan will appreciate the interior quality of the former. All that weight saving in the Taycan is as obvious as it gets. Dont get me wrong, Taycan is still a lovely place to sit too (so it should be at £100k+), but its not Panamera quality.

RDMcG

20,531 posts

231 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Giant headlights look ugly.

Dg504

340 posts

187 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Does anyone buy a Taycan because they want to? Or is it 99% because they want the flashiest EV and own a company/benefit from the BIK?

I’d certainly rather have a Panamera given the choice and living on a London street the Panamera is still the only car that’s going to be sat there ready to do 500 miles over a weekend without even a thought about fuelling.

Deranged Rover

4,417 posts

98 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Jesus - those headlights. Pass the eye bleach, someone!

pquinn

7,167 posts

70 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Deranged Rover said:
Jesus - those headlights. Pass the eye bleach, someone!
I don't think they're too bad, at least once you realise they've stuck vinyl on the car to hide the real outline.

They're not pretty but not quite as offensive as they might first appear.

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

48 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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RDMcG said:
Giant headlights look ugly.
You do know they are a mask to hide the actual headlights. yes?

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

48 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Dg504 said:
Does anyone buy a Taycan because they want to? Or is it 99% because they want the flashiest EV and own a company/benefit from the BIK?

I’d certainly rather have a Panamera given the choice and living on a London street the Panamera is still the only car that’s going to be sat there ready to do 500 miles over a weekend without even a thought about fuelling.
Which Panamera will be able to do 500 miles over a weekend without thinking about charging? The low spec Diesel? Driven like a 1980s Taxi?

....and which human would chose a Panamera if they sometimes did 500 miles non-stop driving over a weekend?

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Numeric said:
I appreciate in many markets these will make sense, but in say the UK and if the range issue is not a real problem for you, would people ever choose this over the Taycan?

This is a real question not a dig at either car, I'm interested as to why you wouldn't just go electric, the only thing I can imagine is engine engagement might play a part?

I should say both Taycan and Panamera I assume are probably a wonderful drive and seem in a similar segment but sadly out of my league financially so I'm just interested.

Edited by Numeric on Thursday 14th September 11:07
Panny is a fair bit bigger. Getting on for 7 series/A8 size but with less headroom in the back. Taycan is closer to a 5series/A6.

iphonedyou

10,166 posts

181 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Julian Scott said:
Which Panamera will be able to do 500 miles over a weekend without thinking about charging? The low spec Diesel? Driven like a 1980s Taxi?

....and which human would chose a Panamera if they sometimes did 500 miles non-stop driving over a weekend?
You could drive any of them without a thought about fuelling; insofar as you just fill up whenever it's needed. Assume that's what he meant.

He didn't mention non-stop driving at any point.

Marwood79

215 posts

211 months

Thursday 14th September 2023
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Panamera is because we are still a few years infrastructure away from switching to a fully EV driveway.