RE: Supercharged Toyota GT86 | PH Private Area

RE: Supercharged Toyota GT86 | PH Private Area

Monday 27th November 2023

Supercharged Toyota GT86 | PH Private Area

Lots of the modifications you'd want, none you wouldn't - and just £15k, too


It must have been at least a month since we discussed a Toyota 86 of some description, so here’s another one to keep the PH quota up. By now we all know what a wonderful little sports car the GR86 is, though in addressing the flaws of its predecessor it did rather highlight (again) what wasn’t so great about the GT. There would be no chance for the 2012 ‘86 to be remembered too fondly, to have its imperfections glossed over, with the car it maybe always should have been raved about everywhere and sold out. Twice. 

Performance was always the thing, of course. We’ve all heard plenty about it in the past decade or so, and the GR’s additional hp and lb ft really brought into focus what the old car was lacking. Not that it took the replacement for anybody to realise - the GT86 was being tinkered with since day dot. Once upon a time there was a Scion FR-S sold in the US aimed at young buyers with one spec choice and a tonne of dealer accessories available; the stripped-out RC was cheap and basic, begging for modification. 

Forced induction kits have been plentiful for the GT86 over the years, offering that much needed boost in power and torque to really make the most of a superb chassis. Supercharging kept the eager throttle response, which this car has been fitted with since 2016. Installed by renowned specialists Abbey Motorsports, the Harrop Eaton TVS 1320 ‘charger means power for the 2.0-litre flat-four now standard at 238hp at the wheels (where a standard car makes around 160hp.) Accounting for powertrain losses, it should be around 280hp at the flywheel, a significant gain over stock. It’s supported by an intercooler and upgraded clutch. 

In fact, that’s not all the ‘86 has been treated to, as there’s also more than two thousand pounds worth of AP Racing brakes behind the standard wheels, an HKS oil cooler, upgraded engine mounts, a Cosworth sump baffle plate and a cat-less manifold and overpipe. There’s a lot of money that’s been invested both to take full advantage of the supercharger’s potential and tee it up nicely for whoever buys it next; the modifications are not so personal and divisive that prospective buyers might be put off. It looks like any other GT86, only it’s now a much faster one, and could be tweaked to taste with wheels, suspension and so on.

The valve spring spring recall was completed in July, at which time the 60k-mile service was also completed alongside new discs and pads. July might seem a distant memory on a dank December morning, but it really wasn’t long ago, so there shouldn’t be any maintenance obligations for a little while yet. The seller says the Michelin PS4 tyres have plenty of life left. Though don’t be surprised if they now wear a little quicker with more power at your disposal…

Now on 63,000 miles, this ‘86 presents a really interesting opportunity for the next owner at half the money any GR still costs. It is cosmetically good but not perfect, so it could be driven and enjoyed as is, further upgraded for track use or brought back to its best as a fairly low mileage, enthusiast-owned, early example. Whatever they choose to do, it isn’t hard to understand the temptation when this is only £3k more than a comparable standard car with £12k spent on the mods. And after all everybody has said, who’d want a measly 200hp one anyway?


SPECIFICATION | TOYOTA GT86

Engine: 1,998cc, flat-four (standard car)
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@7,000rpm (standard car)
Torque (lb ft): 151@6,400-6,600rpm (standard car)
MPG: 36.2 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 181g/km
First registered: 2012
Recorded mileage: 63,400
Price new: £24,995
Yours for: £15,450

See the original advert here



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cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

36,353 posts

193 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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I've always fancied either a turbocharged or supercharged version of these. So definitely count me in.

RabidGranny

2,160 posts

151 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Is this a subaru engine?

Wolvesboy

597 posts

154 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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I had a supercharged 86. It was fun but still didn't feel that quick. Sold it, moved on pretty swiftly to another TVR!

Horsebox Man

107 posts

29 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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RabidGranny said:
Is this a subaru engine?
The whole car is made at the Subaru plant

fantheman80

1,887 posts

62 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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proper sleeper that, could catch a few out thinking it was standard

Jon_S_Rally

3,903 posts

101 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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I've never really understood the criticism of these cars, especially from the media.

Apparently a smidge under 200bhp and around 150lbs/ft meant the GT86 had real shortcomings, but those same journos laud cars like the EP3 Civic Type-R and Renault Sport Clio 200 as being all-time greats, despite them having as-near-as-damnit the same level of power and torque (actually slightly less in the case of the Honda). The MX-5 also escapes such criticism, despite it not being that fast either.

Was the problem actually that the GT86 wasn't fast enough, or was it just that people didn't quite get the point of what Toyota were doing?

biggbn

26,684 posts

233 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I've never really understood the criticism of these cars, especially from the media.

Apparently a smidge under 200bhp and around 150lbs/ft meant the GT86 had real shortcomings, but those same journos laud cars like the EP3 Civic Type-R and Renault Sport Clio 200 as being all-time greats, despite them having as-near-as-damnit the same level of power and torque (actually slightly less in the case of the Honda). The MX-5 also escapes such criticism, despite it not being that fast either.

Was the problem actually that the GT86 wasn't fast enough, or was it just that people didn't quite get the point of what Toyota were doing?
100%. I'd love a standard version as a daily. Maybe one day.

dxg

9,239 posts

273 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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The bork potential is huge!

Andy86GT

604 posts

78 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I've never really understood the criticism of these cars, especially from the media.

Apparently a smidge under 200bhp and around 150lbs/ft meant the GT86 had real shortcomings, but those same journos laud cars like the EP3 Civic Type-R and Renault Sport Clio 200 as being all-time greats, despite them having as-near-as-damnit the same level of power and torque (actually slightly less in the case of the Honda). The MX-5 also escapes such criticism, despite it not being that fast either.

Was the problem actually that the GT86 wasn't fast enough, or was it just that people didn't quite get the point of what Toyota were doing?
Spot on, the GT86 is all about balance and handling finesse.
You want to win at traffic light Grand Prix, then definitely look elsewhere.


fantheman80

1,887 posts

62 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I've never really understood the criticism of these cars, especially from the media.

Apparently a smidge under 200bhp and around 150lbs/ft meant the GT86 had real shortcomings, but those same journos laud cars like the EP3 Civic Type-R and Renault Sport Clio 200 as being all-time greats, despite them having as-near-as-damnit the same level of power and torque (actually slightly less in the case of the Honda). The MX-5 also escapes such criticism, despite it not being that fast either.

Was the problem actually that the GT86 wasn't fast enough, or was it just that people didn't quite get the point of what Toyota were doing?
because the cars you mention were about right for the time they came out. The GT86 came out in 2012, where turbocharging was pretty normal, and we were used to more torque. If this came out in 2001 when the Ep3 did no one would have said anything

CT05 Nose Cone

25,448 posts

240 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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biggbn said:
100%. I'd love a standard version as a daily. Maybe one day.
I run one as a daily with no issue, does drone a bit on the motorway but the seats are very comfy and I made sure to get one with cruise control. Plus you hardly ever see another and always seems to get a positive reaction. Stereo is utterly abysmal though, had to upgrade the speakers just to hear them, and the lack of controls on the steering wheel is a real pain.

livinginasia

911 posts

123 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Having seen Wheeler Dealers recently turbocharge one of these, this supercharged one should be a huge amount of fun.

If only I had the room !

IdiotRace

140 posts

199 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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I bought a facelift one as a replacement for my MR2 turbo which I'd owned for 10 years.

It's great, it feels like a 90's car but it's not. It's slower than the mr2 but honestly on the road it's enough, I'm 40 years old so I'm not going around trying to race everyone off the lights or whatever the usual PH complaint about how it's slower than a 320d.

I was a bit underwhelmed with the handling initially though, I could feel that it was decent but it felt very wooly. Then I realised that the car was on the original set of tyres it came with 5 years ago.

So seeing as it's going to be a trackday/fun car I bought a set of Advan wheels with some Michelin Cup2's. On the road it feels on par with the MR2, which had the entire suspension refreshed but to a level where it wasn't unusuable on the road with stupidly stiff coilovers like some people do.

I also got a hold of a set of the factory performance package brembos and once I've gathered a few more parts those will get fitted alongside an oil cooler for to keep temps down track. I did think about getting the AP kit that the car in the article car has, but I've done aftermarket big brake kits before and I thought it would be nicer to actually have the OEM option instead.

I'm really looking foward to spring next year now so I can get out on track with the damn thing. Am I going to get passed by every modern turbo hatch and M3? Yes, but that was the case with the mr2 also. You don't get a prize for winning the trackday.

Sway

31,199 posts

207 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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fantheman80 said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
I've never really understood the criticism of these cars, especially from the media.

Apparently a smidge under 200bhp and around 150lbs/ft meant the GT86 had real shortcomings, but those same journos laud cars like the EP3 Civic Type-R and Renault Sport Clio 200 as being all-time greats, despite them having as-near-as-damnit the same level of power and torque (actually slightly less in the case of the Honda). The MX-5 also escapes such criticism, despite it not being that fast either.

Was the problem actually that the GT86 wasn't fast enough, or was it just that people didn't quite get the point of what Toyota were doing?
because the cars you mention were about right for the time they came out. The GT86 came out in 2012, where turbocharging was pretty normal, and we were used to more torque. If this came out in 2001 when the Ep3 did no one would have said anything
There was also the issue of a big torque dip for emissions/sound regs/something like that - right at the point you didn't want a torque dip!

Mapped out, I understand the 'stock' car was much improved.

This is very nice - usual supercharger route is a centrifugal such as a rotrex, assume this is a twin screw?

geeks

10,248 posts

152 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Jon_S_Rally said:
I've never really understood the criticism of these cars, especially from the media.

Apparently a smidge under 200bhp and around 150lbs/ft meant the GT86 had real shortcomings, but those same journos laud cars like the EP3 Civic Type-R and Renault Sport Clio 200 as being all-time greats, despite them having as-near-as-damnit the same level of power and torque (actually slightly less in the case of the Honda). The MX-5 also escapes such criticism, despite it not being that fast either.

Was the problem actually that the GT86 wasn't fast enough, or was it just that people didn't quite get the point of what Toyota were doing?
If memory serves its because although a reasonable steer the 86 wouldn't see which way those other cars went, or something like that anyway

nismo48

5,065 posts

220 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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dxg said:
The bork potential is huge!
+1

georgeyboy12345

3,838 posts

48 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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nismo48 said:
dxg said:
The bork potential is huge!
+1
Would either of you care to expand on this? I understand that messing about with cars does tend to decrease reliability, but is there something more specific with these you have in mind?

IdiotRace

140 posts

199 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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From my research adding more power to the GT86 using forced induction either tends to break the gearbox at certain torque levels. Or you can bend the rods, but really these things only tend to happen once you are looking at power figures of over 300bhp. Personally if I was aiming for those power levels I'd be putting in forged rods, the gearbox thing is a bit more difficult to mitigate.

Funnily enough the autobox can handle more power than the manual does.

AmyRichardson

1,684 posts

55 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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geeks said:
If memory serves its because although a reasonable steer the 86 wouldn't see which way those other cars went, or something like that anyway
The EP3 sets similar lap times and the Renault is a dose slower; that's stock, early-2000s tires on the hatches, Prius econo-rubber on the GT.

The criticism was more about delivery, old VTec engines were lovely, linear, encouraging things - the Scooby FA20 was none of those things.

And, I'm not quite sure how to phase this, but the GT was always more "serious" than something like a specifically fun, summer-afternoon car like an MX5, as if the platform that had been built for 350hp but been curtailed to 200hp and rubbish tires at the last moment. Even the GR feels that way, it's too capable for 240hp...

996_3.4

23 posts

21 months

Monday 27th November 2023
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Sway said:
There was also the issue of a big torque dip for emissions/sound regs/something like that - right at the point you didn't want a torque dip!

Mapped out, I understand the 'stock' car was much improved.

This is very nice - usual supercharger route is a centrifugal such as a rotrex, assume this is a twin screw?
Torque dip can’t be mapped out. It’s mostly caused by the stock headers.

Replace those, map the car and you have 220hp and no dip, for about 2-3 grand all in (depending on whether you go cat less).