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Zebra Crossings - Do you stop for Cyclists?

Zebra Crossings - Do you stop for Cyclists?

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Olf

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11,781 posts

138 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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Scenario: You're approaching a zebra crossing and a person riding a push bike is either riding (on the pavement) towards it looking to use it to stop you or he's astride the bike and waiting for you to stop so he can ride across the crossing...

Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).








On Time

438 posts

117 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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If he's sitting/standing on the bike, no I wouldn't.
If he or she has gotten off and is walking the bike, then yes.

robwales

1,364 posts

130 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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I'd slow down and expect him to stop, but be prepared to go if I see him slowing down to a stop.
In the end, it's the driver that will be in trouble even though cyclists aren't meant to use zebra crossings. And of course I don't want to hurt him and damage my car and his bike since he could easily ride away without giving his details if he wasn't hurt, leaving me to pay for the damage to my car.
If I'm on my bike, I always give way to traffic, but don't bother walking across when it's clear like I think you're meant to do - I just ride.

Disco_Biscuit

761 posts

114 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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On Time said:
If he's sitting/standing on the bike, no I wouldn't.
If he or she has gotten off and is walking the bike, then yes.
+1

richyb

4,615 posts

130 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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robwales said:
I'd slow down and expect him to stop, but be prepared to go if I see him slowing down to a stop.
In the end, it's the driver that will be in trouble even though cyclists aren't meant to use zebra crossings. And of course I don't want to hurt him and damage my car and his bike since he could easily ride away without giving his details if he wasn't hurt, leaving me to pay for the damage to my car.
If I'm on my bike, I always give way to traffic, but don't bother walking across when it's clear like I think you're meant to do - I just ride.
I'm with you on that one. Even if the cyclist is in the wrong for darting across the zebra crossing if would be very difficult to prove if there were no witnesses. Just a dead cyclist on a crossing with you at the wheel. Best to slow and be prepared to stop.
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Jasandjules

59,778 posts

149 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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I'd stop. Anyone waiting at a Zebra crossing has "right of way" in my eyes.

Fort Jefferson

7,966 posts

142 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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Jasandjules said:
I'd stop. Anyone waiting at a Zebra crossing has "right of way" in my eyes.
I tend to agree that anyone more vunerable than me can cross. But I think as far as the law is concerned, you have to carry the bike to become a pedestrian, and have a legal right.

Jasandjules

59,778 posts

149 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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I'd stop. Anyone waiting at a Zebra crossing has "right of way" in my eyes.

fangio

983 posts

154 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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A cyclist is a cyclist unless he/she is carrying it....

I certainly wouldn't stop at a PEDESTRIAN crossing for a bike!!!

HowMuchLonger

2,819 posts

113 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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It's an annoying scenario, but in my mind it's better to be safe than sorry. If you want to tell them that riding on a pavement is illegal as you wait is up to you, but it will have more effect if you have stopped and waited for them.

LeoSayer

5,324 posts

164 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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I would stop. They want to cross, they have right of way IMHO.

Zod

33,025 posts

178 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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I find generally in London that when I stop at a Zebra for pedestrians, a cyclist will rush across past the pedestrians. Such cyclists generally receive a changedownblip with additional revs as I move off from the crossing.

otolith

33,830 posts

124 months

Monday 5th May 2008
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I've seen a police car stop to allow a cyclist to ride across a zebra crossing and continue along the opposite pavement. Didn't even speak to the rider. Looked like a traffic car, too.rolleyes

Romanymagic

3,298 posts

139 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Olf said:
Scenario: You're approaching a zebra crossing and a person riding a push bike is either riding (on the pavement) towards it looking to use it to stop you or he's astride the bike and waiting for you to stop so he can ride across the crossing...

Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Fascinating Olf, were they with horse and caravan as well? Were they "pikey's" trying to sell the crossing to you? Ah bless, just drive on old chap, you'll be alright in the end - six feet under, oops!

Olf

Original Poster:

11,781 posts

138 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Romanymagic said:
Olf said:
Scenario: You're approaching a zebra crossing and a person riding a push bike is either riding (on the pavement) towards it looking to use it to stop you or he's astride the bike and waiting for you to stop so he can ride across the crossing...

Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Fascinating Olf, were they with horse and caravan as well? Were they "pikey's" trying to sell the crossing to you? Ah bless, just drive on old chap, you'll be alright in the end - six feet under, oops!
Quoted for posterity. You're not threatening me are you old chap?

tinman0

18,231 posts

160 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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Olf said:
Scenario: You're approaching a zebra crossing and a person riding a push bike is either riding (on the pavement) towards it looking to use it to stop you or he's astride the bike and waiting for you to stop so he can ride across the crossing...

Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Technically I don't think you have to stop.

A pedestrian only has right of way on a zebra crossing if their foot is on the carriage way; the kerb stone is the carriage way. If the foot goes down before you are in the zigzags they have right of way. If their foot goes down after you arrive in the zigzags you have right of way.

As for a cyclist, I'm not sure how that works. If he's waiting by the crossing - no, i wouldn't stop. He can continue to wait as he hasn't activated the procedure to cross, but I will slow down and take a precaution not to run him down should he decide to make the crossing.

If the cyclist is still moving then definitely not. You have no idea where he's going, so why do you think that he will be crossing at the crossing anyway?

If a cyclist is inclined to cross a crossing without stopping, then their days are numbered whatever happens, and I can't see how the driver can respond or made liable in that case. No motorist wants to run over a cyclist, so as long as the motorist has his affairs in order (eg license, no vehicle defects, an MOT, insurance and a good driving history) I can't see why the Police wouldn't side with the motorist if they are the only witness.

Blib

32,748 posts

117 months

Wednesday 7th May 2008
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I'd stop. IMO Life's too short to worry about inconsequential things such as this.wink

LeoSayer

5,324 posts

164 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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tinman0 said:
If a cyclist is inclined to cross a crossing without stopping, then their days are numbered whatever happens, and I can't see how the driver can respond or made liable in that case. No motorist wants to run over a cyclist, so as long as the motorist has his affairs in order (eg license, no vehicle defects, an MOT, insurance and a good driving history) I can't see why the Police wouldn't side with the motorist if they are the only witness.
So if there are no witnesses I can quite legally and happily run over all cyclists on crossings?

bint

4,660 posts

144 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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It's the traffic light crossing I take every day that gets me - okay I fully admit I cycle over it, perhaps it may make a difference if I walk but I tend to cycle just in case I can cross over without having to press the button (lights are just in front of a roundabout and I know are a pain to drivers when they go off) - but so many drivers just run the red lights!

johnnywb

1,624 posts

128 months

Thursday 8th May 2008
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There's several zebra crossing's i've come across in London where the cyclepath crosses the road at the crossing, so who has priority there?! I assume the cyclist as there are no give way signs on the cyclepath (there are at other points).