Range Rover TD6 or V8 2003
Discussion
Hi,
I want to get a SUV and have narrowed it down to a Range Rover but, not sure which one to get, whether a petrol or diesel? I can only afford a 2003 or 2004 and it has to be the Vogue.
So guys, help me out here. My concerns are the petrol costs on the V8 petrol and I'm considering chipping a TD6 instead, is this a good strategy or what?
I want to get a SUV and have narrowed it down to a Range Rover but, not sure which one to get, whether a petrol or diesel? I can only afford a 2003 or 2004 and it has to be the Vogue.
So guys, help me out here. My concerns are the petrol costs on the V8 petrol and I'm considering chipping a TD6 instead, is this a good strategy or what?
Using the following figures
4.4 v8 combined mpg 17.4
3.0 td6 combined mpg 23
Unleaded at 90.7ppl
Diesel at 99.7 ppl
The TD6 gives an increase of 32.2% mpg
However factor in the price of each fuel
The TD6 costs 19.7 pp mile
The 4.4 V8 costs 23.7 pp mile
This increase in cost is only 20.25 % compared to the 32.2% increased mpg. So for true mpg comparison I would use the 20.25% increased MPG for a TD6 when fuel price is factored in . Doing 10000 mpa would cost £399.07 more in a V8 each year. Now factor in service costs, which should be cheaper for a V8. Then factor in the cheaper purchase cost ?....then buy a V8 ( what do I know though I just bought a td5 disco !! )
Ian
4.4 v8 combined mpg 17.4
3.0 td6 combined mpg 23
Unleaded at 90.7ppl
Diesel at 99.7 ppl
The TD6 gives an increase of 32.2% mpg
However factor in the price of each fuel
The TD6 costs 19.7 pp mile
The 4.4 V8 costs 23.7 pp mile
This increase in cost is only 20.25 % compared to the 32.2% increased mpg. So for true mpg comparison I would use the 20.25% increased MPG for a TD6 when fuel price is factored in . Doing 10000 mpa would cost £399.07 more in a V8 each year. Now factor in service costs, which should be cheaper for a V8. Then factor in the cheaper purchase cost ?....then buy a V8 ( what do I know though I just bought a td5 disco !! )
Ian
Hi,
@wurls, thanks for the the info
@listz, Jeremy Fearn is a bit too far from London for me to consider but thanks all the same.
@JW911 & @ilaishley, my mileage last year was around 8000 so I'm seriously considering your suggestions and have started looking at a petrol V8.
I really love the Range Rover being the big daddy cane and all but if I'm to consider a petrol then the porsche cayenne S has to be considered too; if only because of its build quality and powerful engine.
Confused as ever!
@wurls, thanks for the the info
@listz, Jeremy Fearn is a bit too far from London for me to consider but thanks all the same.
@JW911 & @ilaishley, my mileage last year was around 8000 so I'm seriously considering your suggestions and have started looking at a petrol V8.
I really love the Range Rover being the big daddy cane and all but if I'm to consider a petrol then the porsche cayenne S has to be considered too; if only because of its build quality and powerful engine.
Confused as ever!
4dyomi said:
but if I'm to consider a petrol then the porsche cayenne S has to be considered too; if only because of its build quality and powerful engine.
Confused as ever!
Take a test drive in the Cayenne and your confusion will lift! There is no comparison in terms of ride and comfort - the RR is the daddy! Confused as ever!
eliot said:
My derv-o-lator will do the sums for you too:
http://www.mez.co.uk/derv.html
that, for me, is the most interesting on line calculator. thank you for saving hours and hours of brainache!http://www.mez.co.uk/derv.html
Hi Guys, I'm looking to purchase an RR as well - couple of questions though, as I'll be doing between 20-25k a year I was thinking of a V8 and an LPG, however, what is the real life MPG you can expect from a LPG conversion? Also, I keep getting told hideous stories of how unrealible they are, as it needs to be on the road most days (apprx 170mile round trip most days) do you think it will stand up to that sort of use?
I'm trying to convince my wife I can get a V8 RR and a real cheapie if it does break down, although not sure if I could drive a supermini baked bean tin after driving a RR!!
Thanks in advance - Matt
I'm trying to convince my wife I can get a V8 RR and a real cheapie if it does break down, although not sure if I could drive a supermini baked bean tin after driving a RR!!
Thanks in advance - Matt
mattman73 said:
I was thinking of a V8 and an LPG, however, what is the real life MPG you can expect from a LPG conversion?
My Prins system gives 17mpg overall (up to 20 on steady long runs). At current prices, that's low 30s petrol mpg equivalent. A Prins will cost somewhere between £2000-2500 fitted so you can work out how long it will take to pay for itself. Generally after around 14k miles, you're winning.Reliability? I've done 14k in mine now (just under a year) and it's been faultless.
Your front diff will fail long before anything LPG related.;)
Thanks JW911 - that sounds acceptable to me able to drive such a beast.
In regard to reliability though, I was referring to how reliable the car is rather than the LPG system - most stories I've heard are that it goes wrong on a regular basis and costs 2k a time! I wanted to check with those who actually owned them to see if this is right or not, especially as I'll be doing a reasonable mileage each year.
In regard to reliability though, I was referring to how reliable the car is rather than the LPG system - most stories I've heard are that it goes wrong on a regular basis and costs 2k a time! I wanted to check with those who actually owned them to see if this is right or not, especially as I'll be doing a reasonable mileage each year.
I've had two failures on mine. One was the battery (five years old - now replaced).
The other was the traditional front diff failure (the splines strip resulting in a bang, a loud whirring noise and an RAC low loader to Lancaster LR where they fitted a redesigned diff for free). It usually happens around 30k miles and the free replacement cures it as it has a CV joint instead of splines. The car doesn't have to be under warranty.
Otherwise, it's been excellent. The rest of it is BMW.
Try HERE and HERE for more info.
The big failures tend to be gearboxes and alternators. Get the gearbox oil changed every Inspection 2 as preventative maintenance. The P38 needed the gearbox oil changing every so often. The L322 gearbox is technically sealed for life but as it's still a GM unit, I wouldn't risk it.
The alternators are complicated water-cooled systems which I would suggest a specialist will do for a lot less than £1k.
At the end of the day, it's still a £60k car.
The other was the traditional front diff failure (the splines strip resulting in a bang, a loud whirring noise and an RAC low loader to Lancaster LR where they fitted a redesigned diff for free). It usually happens around 30k miles and the free replacement cures it as it has a CV joint instead of splines. The car doesn't have to be under warranty.
Otherwise, it's been excellent. The rest of it is BMW.
Try HERE and HERE for more info.
The big failures tend to be gearboxes and alternators. Get the gearbox oil changed every Inspection 2 as preventative maintenance. The P38 needed the gearbox oil changing every so often. The L322 gearbox is technically sealed for life but as it's still a GM unit, I wouldn't risk it.
The alternators are complicated water-cooled systems which I would suggest a specialist will do for a lot less than £1k.
At the end of the day, it's still a £60k car.
Edited by JW911 on Tuesday 19th May 11:37
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