Range Rover TD6 or V8 2003

Range Rover TD6 or V8 2003

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4dyomi

Original Poster:

2 posts

182 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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Hi,

I want to get a SUV and have narrowed it down to a Range Rover but, not sure which one to get, whether a petrol or diesel? I can only afford a 2003 or 2004 and it has to be the Vogue.

So guys, help me out here. My concerns are the petrol costs on the V8 petrol and I'm considering chipping a TD6 instead, is this a good strategy or what?

Liszt

4,329 posts

271 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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Have a look at Jeremy Fearn rather than superchips.

JW911

896 posts

196 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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What's your annual mileage? If it's relatively low (probably <7000 ish), look carefully at the V8 as the difference in price from the TD6 will pay for a lot of fuel. The mpg difference between the two isn't huge.

ilaishley

167 posts

242 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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Using the following figures

4.4 v8 combined mpg 17.4
3.0 td6 combined mpg 23

Unleaded at 90.7ppl
Diesel at 99.7 ppl

The TD6 gives an increase of 32.2% mpg

However factor in the price of each fuel

The TD6 costs 19.7 pp mile
The 4.4 V8 costs 23.7 pp mile

This increase in cost is only 20.25 % compared to the 32.2% increased mpg. So for true mpg comparison I would use the 20.25% increased MPG for a TD6 when fuel price is factored in . Doing 10000 mpa would cost £399.07 more in a V8 each year. Now factor in service costs, which should be cheaper for a V8. Then factor in the cheaper purchase cost ?....then buy a V8 ( what do I know though I just bought a td5 disco !! )

Ian

JW911

896 posts

196 months

Friday 20th March 2009
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... or forget all of the above and buy the V8 anyway as it's a much better car than the TD6 imho.biggrin

4dyomi

Original Poster:

2 posts

182 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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Hi,

@wurls, thanks for the the info

@listz, Jeremy Fearn is a bit too far from London for me to consider but thanks all the same.

@JW911 & @ilaishley, my mileage last year was around 8000 so I'm seriously considering your suggestions and have started looking at a petrol V8.

I really love the Range Rover being the big daddy cane and all but if I'm to consider a petrol then the porsche cayenne S has to be considered too; if only because of its build quality and powerful engine.

Confused as ever!

PhilCerbera

4,767 posts

251 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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4dyomi said:
but if I'm to consider a petrol then the porsche cayenne S has to be considered too; if only because of its build quality and powerful engine.

Confused as ever!
Take a test drive in the Cayenne and your confusion will lift! There is no comparison in terms of ride and comfort - the RR is the daddy!

kVA

2,460 posts

206 months

Sunday 22nd March 2009
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TD6 is a horrible engine IMO - gutless in a 2.5 tonne car and anything with less than 8 cylinders has no place in one of the otherwise most refined cars in the World.

If you can squeeze into a 2005 car (with the later Ford PAG engine) it will be even better...

eliot

11,439 posts

255 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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My derv-o-lator will do the sums for you too:
http://www.mez.co.uk/derv.html

Rob_T

1,916 posts

252 months

Friday 24th April 2009
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eliot said:
My derv-o-lator will do the sums for you too:
http://www.mez.co.uk/derv.html
that, for me, is the most interesting on line calculator. thank you for saving hours and hours of brainache!

al1991

4,552 posts

181 months

Tuesday 28th April 2009
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There are lots of Land Rover specialists who would be able to make a TD6 go nicely for not too much £ flick through the pages of some Landy magazines and you will find a ton of dedicated LR tuners out there.

P.S Range Rover, good choice wink

mattman73

16 posts

183 months

Sunday 17th May 2009
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Hi Guys, I'm looking to purchase an RR as well - couple of questions though, as I'll be doing between 20-25k a year I was thinking of a V8 and an LPG, however, what is the real life MPG you can expect from a LPG conversion? Also, I keep getting told hideous stories of how unrealible they are, as it needs to be on the road most days (apprx 170mile round trip most days) do you think it will stand up to that sort of use?
I'm trying to convince my wife I can get a V8 RR and a real cheapie if it does break down, although not sure if I could drive a supermini baked bean tin after driving a RR!!

Thanks in advance - Matt

eliot

11,439 posts

255 months

Sunday 17th May 2009
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I think you will need an evil-diesel doing those miles.

JW911

896 posts

196 months

Sunday 17th May 2009
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mattman73 said:
I was thinking of a V8 and an LPG, however, what is the real life MPG you can expect from a LPG conversion?
My Prins system gives 17mpg overall (up to 20 on steady long runs). At current prices, that's low 30s petrol mpg equivalent. A Prins will cost somewhere between £2000-2500 fitted so you can work out how long it will take to pay for itself. Generally after around 14k miles, you're winning.

Reliability? I've done 14k in mine now (just under a year) and it's been faultless.

Your front diff will fail long before anything LPG related.;)

mattman73

16 posts

183 months

Monday 18th May 2009
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Thanks JW911 - that sounds acceptable to me able to drive such a beast.

In regard to reliability though, I was referring to how reliable the car is rather than the LPG system - most stories I've heard are that it goes wrong on a regular basis and costs 2k a time! I wanted to check with those who actually owned them to see if this is right or not, especially as I'll be doing a reasonable mileage each year.

JW911

896 posts

196 months

Tuesday 19th May 2009
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I've had two failures on mine. One was the battery (five years old - now replaced).

The other was the traditional front diff failure (the splines strip resulting in a bang, a loud whirring noise and an RAC low loader to Lancaster LR where they fitted a redesigned diff for free). It usually happens around 30k miles and the free replacement cures it as it has a CV joint instead of splines. The car doesn't have to be under warranty.

Otherwise, it's been excellent. The rest of it is BMW.

Try HERE and HERE for more info.

The big failures tend to be gearboxes and alternators. Get the gearbox oil changed every Inspection 2 as preventative maintenance. The P38 needed the gearbox oil changing every so often. The L322 gearbox is technically sealed for life but as it's still a GM unit, I wouldn't risk it.

The alternators are complicated water-cooled systems which I would suggest a specialist will do for a lot less than £1k.

At the end of the day, it's still a £60k car.

Edited by JW911 on Tuesday 19th May 11:37

housen

2,366 posts

193 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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im thinking of buying a 2003 v8 vogue

65k miles

2 owners

gearbox rebuild

what do you guys think now we are in 2013/14 !

Fleckers

2,861 posts

202 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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gearbox rebuild and only 65k on the clock !!!

housen

2,366 posts

193 months

Friday 20th December 2013
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yes he did it because he didnt like the gear change and was worried of failure

given who the seller is i have no doubt on the milage


kooky guy

582 posts

167 months

Friday 20th December 2013
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It's generally the diesels that have the gearbox problems. The petrol uses a different and more reliable unit.

I keep umming and ahhing about getting an lpg'd petrol one...