Saxo/106 gearbox

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saleen836

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9,981 posts

193 months

Sunday 13th June 2010
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Mrs Saleen has a 106 gti for the track, after me driving it on track today it is in need a gearbox! I have not broken it, the gearing on the standard box isuseless for the track, ideally I would swap it for a 1.3 rallye or 1.4 (1360cc) xsi gearbox but alas finding either is needle in haystack time or a deep pocket, would I be right in thinking the 1.4 (1360cc) Saxo sx/furio gearbox would be a straight swap?
I looked on Parkers at Saxo 1.4's and all are 75bhp but some have a quicker 0-60 time so picked these out.

number2301

508 posts

184 months

Sunday 13th June 2010
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I would seek the opinion of someone more knowledgeable before making any commitments but as no one else has chipped in I'll throw in some conjecture and second hand knowledge. The first boxes you mentioned (Rallye/XSi) will be very rare, as they're the short ratio ones, I would be very wary of a Furio/SX box as I would expect these to be longer ratio given that they're from non-sports models, with the better 0-60 perhaps coming from hitting 60 in 2nd instead of third.

Besides, MA boxes are a bit on the weak side to begin with. I wouldn't like to but a base model box in a GTi which is going to be tracked.

If you're really serious, seek out a BE4R box from I believe a Berlingo van with a 1.4 TU engine, that way you've got the strength of a BE box, along with all the ratios which can be easily found from 205 1.6, 1.9 and Mi16 boxes. Expensive route mind.

SDxsi

2,697 posts

156 months

Monday 14th June 2010
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Pretty sure the 1.4 box from the saxo is the same as the quiksilver which in turn has the same ratios as the gti/vts but with a marginally shorter final drive ratio. The BE4 conversion is good but expensive, there's also a conversion using the rover 620ti interals in a MA casing, it works out cheaper than the BE4 jobby and you also benefit with the addition of the l.s.d from the Rover. There may be a few rallye boxes for sale on the 106 rallye register though. I'm on my 4th MA box now and will probably opt for the Rover internal route next time it goes. HTH.

saleen836

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9,981 posts

193 months

Monday 14th June 2010
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SDxsi said:
Pretty sure the 1.4 box from the saxo is the same as the quiksilver which in turn has the same ratios as the gti/vts but with a marginally shorter final drive ratio. The BE4 conversion is good but expensive, there's also a conversion using the rover 620ti interals in a MA casing, it works out cheaper than the BE4 jobby and you also benefit with the addition of the l.s.d from the Rover. There may be a few rallye boxes for sale on the 106 rallye register though. I'm on my 4th MA box now and will probably opt for the Rover internal route next time it goes. HTH.
Have not heard of that conversion, is it an easy job? (i.e a straight forward swap)

SDxsi

2,697 posts

156 months

Monday 14th June 2010
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saleen836 said:
SDxsi said:
Pretty sure the 1.4 box from the saxo is the same as the quiksilver which in turn has the same ratios as the gti/vts but with a marginally shorter final drive ratio. The BE4 conversion is good but expensive, there's also a conversion using the rover 620ti interals in a MA casing, it works out cheaper than the BE4 jobby and you also benefit with the addition of the l.s.d from the Rover. There may be a few rallye boxes for sale on the 106 rallye register though. I'm on my 4th MA box now and will probably opt for the Rover internal route next time it goes. HTH.
Have not heard of that conversion, is it an easy job? (i.e a straight forward swap)
Not entirely sure to be honest, from what i've heard it's not easy to do but worth it, I'll put a link up to the thread when I get to a computer. I'll be getting someone else to do mine for me because i've never played with gearboxes before so wouldn't know where to start. I'll update for you later.

106 gti

843 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Steve , pm Sandy on TT he knows everything and im sure he will sort you out an answer .....

SDxsi

2,697 posts

156 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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On 106 owners club, the lad with the rover conversion is called hillbilly but I can't find the thread about it frown I knew the BE4 conversion was expensive but over £1k is a bit ridiculous.

Atspeed Racing

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147 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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We have produced a BE conversion to convert 106 or Saxo from MA to BE box.
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/threads/133163-B...

saleen836

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9,981 posts

193 months

Wednesday 29th September 2010
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Atspeed Racing said:
We have produced a BE conversion to convert 106 or Saxo from MA to BE box.
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/threads/133163-B...
Thanks, but I think the 1.4 xsi g/box I picked up for £30 will do thanks!

busta

4,504 posts

217 months

Monday 4th October 2010
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saleen836 said:
Atspeed Racing said:
We have produced a BE conversion to convert 106 or Saxo from MA to BE box.
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/threads/133163-B...
Thanks, but I think the 1.4 xsi g/box I picked up for £30 will do thanks!
Bargain! Where did you find that? I paid £120 for a very noisy XSi box (same ratios/FD as S2 Rallye) and have an S1 Rallye box sat in the shed with some worn out syncros. MA boxes are full of surprises.

Some 1.1 boxes have a pretty short final drive and despite what people say, they are no weaker than an XSI/GTI/Rallye box internally, so would suit a budget track car. The 'non-sport' ratios stack up ok too, with the main difference being 5th is a bit longer for cruising. Getting the short final drive ones is a bit of a lottery though.

All you ever need to know about MA gearboxes can be found here, mostly courtesy of Sandy http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2008/showthread...