Help with rejected planning permission

Help with rejected planning permission

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marcusjames

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752 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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A friend owns a 1 acre plot next to his house. He applied for planning permission but was refused as his is the last house in the street. Another build on the plot would therefore be extending the village.

The plot is currently separated from his garden. I've done some work on the internet and read various suggestions on how to proceed. Can anyone confirm if any of these will work :

1) Take down separating fence and re-applying in a few years. Apparently it's the separation that can be an issue
2) Request planning, and build an agricultural outbuilding. After a few years, apply for a conversion to residential.
3) Apply for planning for social housing !!
4) Let the land go to ruin, creating an eye-sore, tempting the parish council to approve an application (sounds a little strange)

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Shaw Tarse

29,439 posts

152 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Having failed to sell our house last year, we have decided to stay put for a while but have it extended to enhance its value.

We therefore applied for planning permission for a major extension that would make the house 100ft tall and 400ft wide

with nine turrets at various heights complete with windows all over the place.

It would have parking for 1 00 cars and I was going to paint it snot green and orange.

The town council rejected the application out-of-hand and more or less told me to sod off.

So I sent in the application again, but this time I called it a Mosque.

Building work starts next Monday.


getmecoat

davidd

5,998 posts

233 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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I have a friend who does this for a living, his advice would be find a local planning specialist who will do it for a fee.

If your friend does not want to do that then have they had a conversation with the council to see what they can do with the land?

Traveller sites are quite lucrative I hear....

Jimboka

8,198 posts

153 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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His house borders open land?. Maybe the planners are right & he should not build there. He should just accept it, permission was declined for a good reason!

marcusjames

Original Poster:

752 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Jimboka said:
His house borders open land?. Maybe the planners are right & he should not build there. He should just accept it, permission was declined for a good reason!
Am I being dim ? What's the good reason ?

GingerWizard

4,721 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Jimboka said:
His house borders open land?. Maybe the planners are right & he should not build there. He should just accept it, permission was declined for a good reason!
ohhh big opinions on little facts... nobber.


OP

Its a tough one, how about extending the current house "into" the land and building one behind a bit off center.......

henrycrun

2,288 posts

189 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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was refused planning permission for ?

bennyboydurham

1,617 posts

123 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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You need a planning consultant. Forger doing it yourself. We are currently trying to build on a small parcel of land which the council regards as 'open countryside', which it plainly isn't. Planning law is a minefield and you need someone who can build the case for you and counter the council's objections. This will require time, patience and plenty of cash!

GWC

4,297 posts

144 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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marcusjames said:
Jimboka said:
His house borders open land?. Maybe the planners are right & he should not build there. He should just accept it, permission was declined for a good reason!
Am I being dim ? What's the good reason ?
Encroachment into the countryside probably. Is his property within the boundaries of the village envelope?

steve2

1,457 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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The chances are that by building in the area next to him it will be extending the village envelope and if this was allowed to happen it may open the doors to lots of building as others could say you let them go ahead and you could be in a situation where the village may cease to be a village and end up as a town

Busamav

2,954 posts

157 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Without seeing the proposal ,

I would guess that the the new one was of a similar size to the existing , when it needs to be smaller , lower and obviously subservient , to allow the house massing to diminish as development finishes and countryside starts.

I also suspect that there was no consultation with the planners prior to making a submission.

It is a shame the application was not withdrawn before a refusal was issued .

herbialfa

1,482 posts

151 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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^^^^ What he said ^^^^^^^

Have a look on the Local Authority website under Local Plan. You will probably find that the red boundary is drawn round his plot and not the plot next to it. This is whats called "The Development Boundary". Anything outside that then you are against government policy for a start.

Agricultural building???? Can you demonstrate a need for such a building????

I would speak to the Parish council first.

Find out if there is a need for housing in the village. This "May" be your best way forward.

Best of luck

Jimboka

8,198 posts

153 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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GingerWizard said:
Jimboka said:
His house borders open land?. Maybe the planners are right & he should not build there. He should just accept it, permission was declined for a good reason!
ohhh big opinions on little facts... nobber.


OP

Its a tough one, how about extending the current house "into" the land and building one behind a bit off center.......
Last house on the street - Fact as posted
Declined as it would be extending the village - Fact as posted
So not a big opinion, it looks like the planners declined it for a very good reason.
So less of the playground childish insults (which incedentally I have reported).
Over & out

RedWhiteMonkey

5,407 posts

131 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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marcusjames said:
A friend owns a 1 acre plot next to his house. He applied for planning permission but was refused as his is the last house in the street. Another build on the plot would therefore be extending the village.

The plot is currently separated from his garden. I've done some work on the internet and read various suggestions on how to proceed. Can anyone confirm if any of these will work :

1) Take down separating fence and re-applying in a few years. Apparently it's the separation that can be an issue
2) Request planning, and build an agricultural outbuilding. After a few years, apply for a conversion to residential.
3) Apply for planning for social housing !!
4) Let the land go to ruin, creating an eye-sore, tempting the parish council to approve an application (sounds a little strange)

Any assistance would be appreciated.
It's difficult to advise without full knowledge of the site, the proposal, the local plan framework, etc. but in answer to your four suggestions I would say:

1) Forget it, I would assume the land in question is outside of the village boundary on the local plan. Simply taking down a fence won't change that.
2) He would still probably have to demonstrate agricultural need for such building and residential conversions tend to be for old stone barn type buildings not new agricultural buildings. If this plan of attack was easy then everyone would do it, but they don't do they?
3) Applying for social housing doesn't set aside all other planning considerations. If the site is outside the village boundary the type of housing won't change that.
4) You'll just end up annoying all the locals and the council will serve a notice on you to tidy the land if it really becomes an issue. You'll not manage to bully them into granting planning permission.

You can appeal against a refused planning application but I'd also recommend getting a planning consultant to look at it. They should be able to tell you whether it is worth fighting the case, it may just be a waste of time and money.

davidd

5,998 posts

233 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Jimboka said:
So less of the playground childish insults (which incedentally I have reported).
Over & out
That is the funniest thing I have read on here in an age.. nice spelling though http://goo.gl/CraK3


GingerWizard

4,721 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Jimboka said:
Last house on the street - Fact as posted
Declined as it would be extending the village - Fact as posted
So not a big opinion, it looks like the planners declined it for a very good reason.
So less of the playground childish insults (which incedentally I have reported).
Over & out
Ok then. You are right, it is me who is the nobber. Better? (you massive pink girls blouse)

This could be put down as a "win" for you.


  • on an edit, you quite like DIY don't you.
Edited by GingerWizard on Tuesday 12th April 19:48

NDA

16,617 posts

174 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Jimboka said:
So less of the playground childish insults (which incedentally I have reported).
Over & out

marcusjames

Original Poster:

752 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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henrycrun said:
was refused planning permission for ?
Outline for a similar sized house to his.

herbialfa

1,482 posts

151 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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& the reasons were?????

GWC

4,297 posts

144 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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If the land is outside the village envelope and there are no exceptional circumstances to permit development tell him to save his money because he won't be gaining permission to build. The refusal of planning permission will state the reasons for refusal, from these it should be very clear whether there is any chance at all.