Pratnership target dead woman

Pratnership target dead woman

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puggit

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48,568 posts

250 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2005
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http://www.shropshirestar.com/show_article.php?aID=35738

Dead woman sent ticket for speeding

A widower from Telford has received a speeding ticket after it was sent to his dead wife - 14 months after she died.

Michael Garbett, from Oaks Crescent, in Wellington, opened a letter addressed to his late wife Margaret from Staffordshire Police which stated that a vehicle Mrs Garbett had sold two years ago had been caught on a speed camera in Cannock.

The letter claimed a green Rover 214 had been photographed being driven 10 miles over the 30 miles-per-hour speed limit on July 16.

Mr and Mrs Garbett had been married for 38 years before she died of a brain haemorrhage in May 2004 aged just 58.

"The letter came as a bit of a shock," said Mr Garbett.

"I phoned the police to explain and said I would have loved for my wife to have been done for speeding, the woman at the end of the lined laughed and when I told her why she went quiet."

However, Mr Garbett was confident his late wife would have seen the funny side. "I took the ticket up to her computer room which is still as she left it," he said.

"Her ashes are in there with some photos. I went up to her ashes and said 'Even now, though you're gone, you're still causing me trouble'."

WildCat

8,369 posts

245 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2005
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article said:
A widower from Telford has received a speeding ticket after it was sent to his dead wife - 14 months after she died.

Michael Garbett, from Oaks Crescent, in Wellington, opened a letter addressed to his late wife Margaret from Staffordshire Police which stated that a vehicle Mrs Garbett had sold two years ago had been caught on a speed camera in Cannock.


Und it really give a lot of faith in DVLA record keeping.

Presumably he notified DVLA when she died und presumably they received change of ownership document when car was sold?

monkeyhanger

9,207 posts

244 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2005
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Speed Kills...Another number for the KSI statistics then.

This poor bloke will have a scamera outside his house next...

gone

6,649 posts

265 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2005
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WildCat said:


Und it really give a lot of faith in DVLA record keeping.

Presumably he notified DVLA when she died und presumably they received change of ownership document when car was sold?



Big presumption there then Mrs Cat!
No information that the transfer information was correctly sent to DVLA.

Of course. It MUST be the fault of DVLA! How stupid of me not to have realised

MR2Mike

20,143 posts

257 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2005
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Actually, what happens with a driving license in the event of a death? Once the death is registered, does this information get passed to the DVLA, or is it up to the next of kin to notify them?

burwoodman

18,709 posts

248 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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It's supposed to be an irrelevance MR2-this story is simply a sad irony and a journo needed some page filler.

malman

2,258 posts

261 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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We all know the DVLA database is *PANTS* and yet they still think they can use it to auto prosecute. I don't care who is at fault the data is still S**t. It's their data its up to them to check it - no excuses

puggit

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48,568 posts

250 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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malman said:
We all know the DVLA database is *PANTS* and yet they still think they can use it to auto prosecute. I don't care who is at fault the data is still S**t. It's their data its up to them to check it - no excuses

Figures last week indicating that 35% of data on their database is incorrect...

autismuk

1,529 posts

242 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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gone said:

WildCat said:


Und it really give a lot of faith in DVLA record keeping.

Presumably he notified DVLA when she died und presumably they received change of ownership document when car was sold?




Big presumption there then Mrs Cat!
No information that the transfer information was correctly sent to DVLA.

Of course. It MUST be the fault of DVLA! How stupid of me not to have realised


Well, it's fairly likely it's a botch up isn't it ? Look how accurate the PNC is .....

autismuk

1,529 posts

242 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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puggit said:

malman said:
We all know the DVLA database is *PANTS* and yet they still think they can use it to auto prosecute. I don't care who is at fault the data is still S**t. It's their data its up to them to check it - no excuses


Figures last week indicating that 35% of data on their database is incorrect...


I doubt it's that accurate .....

MR2Mike

20,143 posts

257 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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burwoodman said:
It's supposed to be an irrelevance MR2-this story is simply a sad irony and a journo needed some page filler.


Yes, I understand that, I was simply asking a question I wanted to know the answer to. Sorry about that.

JonRB

75,191 posts

274 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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One of the main principles of computing is (and has been for 40-odd years) GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out. ie. your results are only as good as your data.

Obviously the DVLA weren't aware that the owner had changed and/or that the previous owner was deceased. Therefore, for whatever reason and regardless of whose fault it was, their data was in error.

The real question to be asked is how their data capture can be improved.

>> Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 3rd August 09:47

Flat in Fifth

44,441 posts

253 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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JonRB said:
The real question to be asked is how their data capture can be improved.

That is a good question and applies to every state and domestic situation.

Non motoring example follows.

Last time we moved house the chain fell apart for a few days because someone a few steps down the chain had failed to change ownership of her bungalow after being widowed. Still in joint names. Her solicitor found it when preparing that papers that one of the joint owners couldn't sign for obvious reasons.

How many of us at such a time would remember to cancel SWMBO's Co-op divi account.

To some extent the only way to improve data capture would be for all personal records to be traceable to a single number, thus with networked systems such distressing situations could pe reduced.

ID cards anyone?

:lights blue touch paper retreats to safe distance:

jimothy

5,151 posts

239 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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Flat in Fifth said:
To some extent the only way to improve data capture would be for all personal records to be traceable to a single number, thus with networked systems such distressing situations could pe reduced.

ID cards anyone?


Doesn't need to be an ID card, just one id number for everything instead of seperate NHS, NI, Driving Licence, Passport etc. numbers. And simple system to allow cross checking of people's records WITH THEIR PERMISSION.

WildCat

8,369 posts

245 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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jimothy said:

Flat in Fifth said:
To some extent the only way to improve data capture would be for all personal records to be traceable to a single number, thus with networked systems such distressing situations could pe reduced.

ID cards anyone?



Doesn't need to be an ID card, just one id number for everything instead of seperate NHS, NI, Driving Licence, Passport etc. numbers. And simple system to allow cross checking of people's records WITH THEIR PERMISSION.


Am not a number! I am a WILD cat

GKP

15,099 posts

243 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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Two years?! What about sorn/tax details? Those demanding/menacing letters would have to of gone somewhere!


cotty

39,754 posts

286 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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Flat in Fifth said:
To some extent the only way to improve data capture would be for all personal records to be traceable to a single number, thus with networked systems such distressing situations could pe reduced.


Reminds me of a website that you can enter all your details on and if you die it notifies everyone you specified

Flat in Fifth said:
ID cards anyone?


Wouldnt work if no one updates the details relating to the card then the person is still alive in the eyes of the law

kenp

654 posts

250 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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Flat in Fifth said:

......To some extent the only way to improve data capture would be for all personal records to be traceable to a single number, thus with networked systems such distressing situations could pe reduced.

ID cards anyone?

:lights blue touch paper retreats to safe distance:


Six weeks after birth everybody is issued with a Social Security Number, which should be a unique identifier. Unfortunately some 2 million numbers too many appear to have been allocated over the the past 40 years.
You really think ID cards are the answer?

kenp

654 posts

250 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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In fact I think ID cards are a good idea. So good in fact that I intend to get several when they become available.

hustlebabe

790 posts

228 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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kenp said:
In fact I think ID cards are a good idea. So good in fact that I intend to get several when they become available.


Count me in....errrr....think 5 will do me for now