Can you be done from a car?
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My wife took our son to his grandparents today,she was driving through a local village she knows well.Coming out of the village the road opens up no houses,there is a slight bend and she spotted what appeared to be a man sat in a purple Corsa with what looked like a radar gun pointing out of the window.She looked down at the seedo and was doing 36 in a 30 ,guess that is a true speed of around 33.Do you think she will get 3 points?
Or do you think its some perv with binoculars spying on someone
Steve
Or do you think its some perv with binoculars spying on someone
SteveIf it was a hairdryer, it was being used against guidelines, but it's not uncommon for the doughnut element of our fine BiB to stay put shining the @rse of their blue pants while waving the thing out of a window - highly accurately and with immense skill, precision and steadiness, not an element of movement that would corrupt the true speed being measured, not at all no sirree. But there may be a billet doux arriving in the near future.
If it was a hairdryer but not toted by a BiB, could it have been one of those village idiot types, the ones who were proud to be Miss's pencil shavings monitor (in the sixth-form vocational class) and now find they have a lot of time to kill and over-active gullibility glands to satisfy, who are acting as 'speed wardens' while waiting for something more useful to do as their IQ slowly reaches double figures? In which case the worst that can happen is a snotty letter.
If it was a hairdryer but not toted by a BiB, could it have been one of those village idiot types, the ones who were proud to be Miss's pencil shavings monitor (in the sixth-form vocational class) and now find they have a lot of time to kill and over-active gullibility glands to satisfy, who are acting as 'speed wardens' while waiting for something more useful to do as their IQ slowly reaches double figures? In which case the worst that can happen is a snotty letter.
stainless_steve said:My money's on it being a
Thanks Turbobloke,do the BIB drive around in purle Corsa cars now .It was not a van.Guess they could be wannabe Chavs
of one kind or the other, either a misfit speed bandit or a perv with binos. Not much compensation for swmbo I know, but no NIP...hopefully. 
On the other hand it could be somebody measuring vehicle speeds in accordance with the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges to make sure that a new junction or improvement is to be properly designed, and has nothing to do with speed enforcement whatsoever.
I've had these done loads of times.
Or is that not paranoid enough for you?
I've had these done loads of times.
Or is that not paranoid enough for you?
turbobloke said:
If it was a hairdryer, it was being used against guidelines, but it's not uncommon for the doughnut element of our fine BiB to stay put shining the @rse of their blue pants while waving the thing out of a window - highly accurately and with immense skill, precision and steadiness, not an element of movement that would corrupt the true speed being measured, not at all no sirree. But there may be a billet doux arriving in the near future.
Sitting in a car with the Laser pointing out of the open window whilst resting your arm on the door will give superbly accurate results,oh, and almost forgot....keep you warm too
TonyRec said:
If it was a hairdryer, it was being used against guidelines, but it's not uncommon for the doughnut element of our fine BiB to stay put shining the @rse of their blue pants while waving the thing out of a window - highly accurately and with immense skill, precision and steadiness, not an element of movement that would corrupt the true speed being measured, not at all no sirree. But there may be a billet doux arriving in the near future.
Sitting in a car with the Laser pointing out of the open window whilst resting your arm on the door will give superbly accurate results,oh, and almost forgot....keep you warm too
so why is it against HO guidelines?turbobloke said:
If it was a hairdryer, it was being used against guidelines, but it's not uncommon for the doughnut element of our fine BiB to stay put shining the @rse of their blue pants while waving the thing out of a window
I got done in precisely this way a few years ago, to be fair it was cold and he might have got wet
- against the guidelines? - maybe (didn't know that at the time) but if it saves just one life........ turbobloke said:
If it was a hairdryer, it was being used against guidelines, but it's not uncommon for the doughnut element of our fine BiB to stay put shining the @rse of their blue pants while waving the thing out of a window - highly accurately and with immense skill, precision and steadiness, not an element of movement that would corrupt the true speed being measured, not at all no sirree. But there may be a billet doux arriving in the near future.
Sitting in a car with the Laser pointing out of the open window whilst resting your arm on the door will give superbly accurate results,oh, and almost forgot....keep you warm too
Nothing to say in the training that it cant be used through an open window...just because my bottom is on the car seat doesnt affect anything.
TonyRec said:
If it was a hairdryer, it was being used against guidelines, but it's not uncommon for the doughnut element of our fine BiB to stay put shining the @rse of their blue pants while waving the thing out of a window - highly accurately and with immense skill, precision and steadiness, not an element of movement that would corrupt the true speed being measured, not at all no sirree. But there may be a billet doux arriving in the near future.
Sitting in a car with the Laser pointing out of the open window whilst resting your arm on the door will give superbly accurate results,oh, and almost forgot....keep you warm too
Nothing to say in the training that it cant be used through an open window...just because my bottom is on the car seat doesnt affect anything.
So i take it he is a cop,and happy to do things illegal
>> Edited by stainless_steve on Sunday 1st January 14:57
TonyRec said:Fairy nuff about the comfy bum then TR, but the training goes against HO guidelines because this can and does affect things. You must be aware that the slightest of movements when triggering the device may alter the reading you get, due to the position of the reflected beam off the car changing position and mimicking movement by the car. Could be that the speed recorded is 'increased' or goes the other way, or nothing - a lottery. Imperceptibly small movement at source equals significant movement at target. Staying comfortable is great but isn't it worth doing it right?
Nothing to say in the training that it cant be used through an open window...just because my bottom is on the car seat doesnt affect anything.
Press article on laser guns said:The damn things don't work even when set up according to the guidlelines.
We subjected the laser gun to rigorous tests...discovered it was prone to wildly wide-of-the-mark readings, even when set up according to the police's own guidelines and the manufacturer's handbook...it wrongly recorded a wall as travelling at 44mph, an empty road scored 33mph, a parked car was clocked as doing 22mph and a bicycle (in reality being ridden at 5mph) rocketed along at an impossible 66mph...a speed-enforcement industry in which the collection of fines is considered paramount – whatever the consequences for innocent drivers caught in police traps by faulty readings
O/T a bit but then we have GATSOs triggered by vibration from HGVs, after which scamera pratnership drones - probably not BiB - fail to check the pics and send out NIPs willy nilly, or nilly willy even. This might be (generously) interpreted as misplaced faith in the technology, but could it be more like "my salary is paid for by fines so I'd better just do my job and send the lot out"?
Surely no PH BiB wants to be a willing part of any element of this shabby and scandalous injustice? It's not as though exceeding the speed limit is particularly dangerous, only about 3 or 4% of crashes arise this way according to CC Paul Garvin of Durham on a statistically significant survey of thousands of RTAs. Why not target the dangerous driving behaviour that makes up the other 96% TR? "Just doing your job"?
Happy New Year
>> Edited by turbobloke on Sunday 1st January 09:23
You are giving the wrong impression here.
Iam steadying my arm on the door with the machine pointing out of the window. This eliminates any movement.
Ive been doing this for the past 11 years and hasnt caused a problem and is well within the guidelines.
The bit about being comfy was a joke and nothing at all to do with my professional competance.
Hope that you didnt get the wrong impression!
Edited to say that the job car is always stationary as to do this from a moving car is against regulations never mind guidelines.
>> Edited by TonyRec on Sunday 1st January 14:39
Iam steadying my arm on the door with the machine pointing out of the window. This eliminates any movement.
Ive been doing this for the past 11 years and hasnt caused a problem and is well within the guidelines.
The bit about being comfy was a joke and nothing at all to do with my professional competance.
Hope that you didnt get the wrong impression!
Edited to say that the job car is always stationary as to do this from a moving car is against regulations never mind guidelines.
>> Edited by TonyRec on Sunday 1st January 14:39
TonyRec said:No it doesn't eliminate movement, that's the problem. Not that you would detect the movement easily, but that doesn't mean it's not there. The act of triggering such a device even when it's on a tripod, can cause movement - the anchorage and stability just aren't up to it. There are speciality mounts for optical devices that all-but eliminate any extraneous movement, and you wouldn't be able to lift one of those - -maybe even with another BiB helping it would be tricky. You're operating within a procedure that has to achieve a compromise between accuracy and useability, that's the problem.
Iam steadying my arm on the door with the machine pointing out of the window. This eliminates any movement.
If you try propping a 'camera arm' against a car window using a 1000 mm telephoto, you'll get the picture.
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