Speed Trap on A27 Lewes today
Discussion
mrobin33 said:
omega man said:
Thats bloody good going to get to 120 between the cuilfail roundabout and the Kingston roundabout, that stretch of road can only be about 1.5 miles long?
Doesn't take long in a F430.I got 'done' going towards Brighton too on the A27...70 mph in a 70 mph zone but in a small van which should have been doing the same speed as a huge great 7.5 ton truck with air brakes is also allowed to do, namely 60 mph.You can imagine these robbing ****s are not my favorite people, 20 + years of being point free down the pan for me due to a simple mistake and one which makes no sense at all.
To be honest Matthew it`s people, (I hesitated at the use of cocks), like you who feck things up for the rest of us.
Yes, put sensible limits in place and THEN enforce them rigidly. As things stand the people who set limits have cried wolf too often meaning when we really do need to slow down for safety`s sake we ignore the warnings assuming it`s just another over cautious limit.
Concentrate on catching "real" criminals......... etc
If you want to prosecute someone pull them over at the time so they know they`ve done wrong, where and when they did it and give them a chance to moderate their driving from then onwards. Don`t wait days or weeks later and send a random letter through the post giving a general idea of where they did wrong, you wouldn`t know the tranny van on the side of the road was plod - that`s the whole idea. (Although in this case Norman the lawman felt your collar there and then allowing you to state your case).
Then someone like you comes along and blows all those arguments out of the water. The enforcement agencies use people like you as the very reason for keeping cameras and all the other methods they use out there.
120 miles an hour on a public road. What a t
t, what a nipple, what an arrogant irresponsible dhead you are. You may well be driving someone else`s powerful supercar that`s more than capable of doing those speeds and more, unfortunately David Smith, 39 driving his Vauxhall Vectra along the A27 wasn`t so fortunate. He was a decent enough chap, didn`t live an extravogant life. His two kids aged 7 and 9 were getting on well at school. The eldest, a boy, had just joined the local Gosport junior football team. The 7 year old loved anything to do with high school musical. Mrs Smith worked a receptionist in the local doctor`s sugery and that bit of extra income afforded them the chance to book two weeks in Florida this summer. They were due to fly out on August 2nd.
At 12.07 hrs David was driving back from seeing a customer in Southampton. Life was good, he`d just signed up a wholesaler on a 6 month contract and the bonus was likely to be his biggest to date. He was planning on phoning for Pizza with the family that night by way of a celebration. He was driving at around 60-65 miles an hour. It was a bright day, he had the air con turned up and was rapping his fingers on the steering wheel to Ocean FM. He glanced in his rear view mirror. All was well. 24 seconds later he indicated right glanced in the mirror and pulled out into lane 2 to overtake a Land Rover towing an Avon Rib. There was a screech of brakes, a bang, his car slew to the left and he impacted heavily with the concrete support pillar for the A259. He was attended to at the scene, survived 8 hours but unfortunately was pronounced dead at 8.42pm in the intensive care unit. His wife and two children were in the waiting room next door.
The car that hit him was traveling at 120 miles an hour, when David first looked in his mirror the car was around half a mile away and out of David`s view. There was no other traffic and it is thought David was lulled into a false sense of security only casually glancing in his mirror before pulling out to overtake the land rover / boat combination. At a closing speed of 60 mph the driver of the speeding car had no chance of avoiding contact with the Vauxhall. The driver of the speeding car survived and avoided prosecution as he moved back the USA shortly after the incident and from there moved out to Asia.
Every cloud has a silver lining though Matt those tickets to Florida are going spare on August 2nd. They are only economy I`m afraid but they`ll be cheap. I`ll email you the telephone number. Oh and the kids did get Pizza that night, in the waiting room for the IC unit.
You were doing 120 miles an hour, got a tug and are moaning. Wow !
All the best big boy.
Henry
Yes, put sensible limits in place and THEN enforce them rigidly. As things stand the people who set limits have cried wolf too often meaning when we really do need to slow down for safety`s sake we ignore the warnings assuming it`s just another over cautious limit.
Concentrate on catching "real" criminals......... etc
If you want to prosecute someone pull them over at the time so they know they`ve done wrong, where and when they did it and give them a chance to moderate their driving from then onwards. Don`t wait days or weeks later and send a random letter through the post giving a general idea of where they did wrong, you wouldn`t know the tranny van on the side of the road was plod - that`s the whole idea. (Although in this case Norman the lawman felt your collar there and then allowing you to state your case).
Then someone like you comes along and blows all those arguments out of the water. The enforcement agencies use people like you as the very reason for keeping cameras and all the other methods they use out there.
120 miles an hour on a public road. What a t
t, what a nipple, what an arrogant irresponsible dhead you are. You may well be driving someone else`s powerful supercar that`s more than capable of doing those speeds and more, unfortunately David Smith, 39 driving his Vauxhall Vectra along the A27 wasn`t so fortunate. He was a decent enough chap, didn`t live an extravogant life. His two kids aged 7 and 9 were getting on well at school. The eldest, a boy, had just joined the local Gosport junior football team. The 7 year old loved anything to do with high school musical. Mrs Smith worked a receptionist in the local doctor`s sugery and that bit of extra income afforded them the chance to book two weeks in Florida this summer. They were due to fly out on August 2nd.At 12.07 hrs David was driving back from seeing a customer in Southampton. Life was good, he`d just signed up a wholesaler on a 6 month contract and the bonus was likely to be his biggest to date. He was planning on phoning for Pizza with the family that night by way of a celebration. He was driving at around 60-65 miles an hour. It was a bright day, he had the air con turned up and was rapping his fingers on the steering wheel to Ocean FM. He glanced in his rear view mirror. All was well. 24 seconds later he indicated right glanced in the mirror and pulled out into lane 2 to overtake a Land Rover towing an Avon Rib. There was a screech of brakes, a bang, his car slew to the left and he impacted heavily with the concrete support pillar for the A259. He was attended to at the scene, survived 8 hours but unfortunately was pronounced dead at 8.42pm in the intensive care unit. His wife and two children were in the waiting room next door.
The car that hit him was traveling at 120 miles an hour, when David first looked in his mirror the car was around half a mile away and out of David`s view. There was no other traffic and it is thought David was lulled into a false sense of security only casually glancing in his mirror before pulling out to overtake the land rover / boat combination. At a closing speed of 60 mph the driver of the speeding car had no chance of avoiding contact with the Vauxhall. The driver of the speeding car survived and avoided prosecution as he moved back the USA shortly after the incident and from there moved out to Asia.
Every cloud has a silver lining though Matt those tickets to Florida are going spare on August 2nd. They are only economy I`m afraid but they`ll be cheap. I`ll email you the telephone number. Oh and the kids did get Pizza that night, in the waiting room for the IC unit.
You were doing 120 miles an hour, got a tug and are moaning. Wow !
All the best big boy.
Henry
We don't know the road condition. It could have been completely empty whilst doing the 120.
Having said that, I would never overtake anyone with a differential like that as especially in GB, you have to assume that the driver you are overtaking is not a good driver as they are lulled into "nothing can happen when driving below the limit", unlike in Germany where you have to be awake when driving. You can blame the government for that, as if the speed limits were more realistic, Henry's story driver might have been more alert and not been dozing.
Having said that, I would never overtake anyone with a differential like that as especially in GB, you have to assume that the driver you are overtaking is not a good driver as they are lulled into "nothing can happen when driving below the limit", unlike in Germany where you have to be awake when driving. You can blame the government for that, as if the speed limits were more realistic, Henry's story driver might have been more alert and not been dozing.
Henry-F said:
To be honest Matthew it`s people, (I hesitated at the use of cocks), like you who feck things up for the rest of us.
HENRY SAID OTHER GOOD STUFF
You were doing 120 miles an hour, got a tug and are moaning. Wow !
All the best big boy.
Henry
I seriously cannot believe you are complaining about being nicked. Travelling 120mph on that stretch of road at that time of day is completely irresponsible.HENRY SAID OTHER GOOD STUFF
You were doing 120 miles an hour, got a tug and are moaning. Wow !
All the best big boy.
Henry
Your assertion that the good ol' US of A is somehow a speed trap free nirvana is simply laughable. If they'd caught you at that kind of speed in NY State you'd now likely be Bubba's b
h in the Correctional. You assuredly would not be let off with a sixty buck on-the-spot violation.Might I therefore respectfully suggest you get yourself up the A/M23 to Gatwick and on to the first flight back to the States; for you are truly a weapons grade cocksucker.
Nothing like a nice bit of emotional heart tugging.
Henry-F said:
To be honest Matthew it`s people, (I hesitated at the use of cocks), like you who feck things up for the rest of us.
Yes, put sensible limits in place and THEN enforce them rigidly. As things stand the people who set limits have cried wolf too often meaning when we really do need to slow down for safety`s sake we ignore the warnings assuming it`s just another over cautious limit.
Concentrate on catching "real" criminals......... etc
If you want to prosecute someone pull them over at the time so they know they`ve done wrong, where and when they did it and give them a chance to moderate their driving from then onwards. Don`t wait days or weeks later and send a random letter through the post giving a general idea of where they did wrong, you wouldn`t know the tranny van on the side of the road was plod - that`s the whole idea. (Although in this case Norman the lawman felt your collar there and then allowing you to state your case).
Then someone like you comes along and blows all those arguments out of the water. The enforcement agencies use people like you as the very reason for keeping cameras and all the other methods they use out there.
120 miles an hour on a public road. What a tt, what a nipple, what an arrogant irresponsible dhead you are. You may well be driving someone else`s powerful supercar that`s more than capable of doing those speeds and more, unfortunately David Smith, 39 driving his Vauxhall Vectra along the A27 wasn`t so fortunate. He was a decent enough chap, didn`t live an extravogant life. His two kids aged 7 and 9 were getting on well at school. The eldest, a boy, had just joined the local Gosport junior football team. The 7 year old loved anything to do with high school musical. Mrs Smith worked a receptionist in the local doctor`s sugery and that bit of extra income afforded them the chance to book two weeks in Florida this summer. They were due to fly out on August 2nd.
At 12.07 hrs David was driving back from seeing a customer in Southampton. Life was good, he`d just signed up a wholesaler on a 6 month contract and the bonus was likely to be his biggest to date. He was planning on phoning for Pizza with the family that night by way of a celebration. He was driving at around 60-65 miles an hour. It was a bright day, he had the air con turned up and was rapping his fingers on the steering wheel to Ocean FM. He glanced in his rear view mirror. All was well. 24 seconds later he indicated right glanced in the mirror and pulled out into lane 2 to overtake a Land Rover towing an Avon Rib. There was a screech of brakes, a bang, his car slew to the left and he impacted heavily with the concrete support pillar for the A259. He was attended to at the scene, survived 8 hours but unfortunately was pronounced dead at 8.42pm in the intensive care unit. His wife and two children were in the waiting room next door.
The car that hit him was traveling at 120 miles an hour, when David first looked in his mirror the car was around half a mile away and out of David`s view. There was no other traffic and it is thought David was lulled into a false sense of security only casually glancing in his mirror before pulling out to overtake the land rover / boat combination. At a closing speed of 60 mph the driver of the speeding car had no chance of avoiding contact with the Vauxhall. The driver of the speeding car survived and avoided prosecution as he moved back the USA shortly after the incident and from there moved out to Asia.
Every cloud has a silver lining though Matt those tickets to Florida are going spare on August 2nd. They are only economy I`m afraid but they`ll be cheap. I`ll email you the telephone number. Oh and the kids did get Pizza that night, in the waiting room for the IC unit.
You were doing 120 miles an hour, got a tug and are moaning. Wow !
All the best big boy.
Henry
Yes, put sensible limits in place and THEN enforce them rigidly. As things stand the people who set limits have cried wolf too often meaning when we really do need to slow down for safety`s sake we ignore the warnings assuming it`s just another over cautious limit.
Concentrate on catching "real" criminals......... etc
If you want to prosecute someone pull them over at the time so they know they`ve done wrong, where and when they did it and give them a chance to moderate their driving from then onwards. Don`t wait days or weeks later and send a random letter through the post giving a general idea of where they did wrong, you wouldn`t know the tranny van on the side of the road was plod - that`s the whole idea. (Although in this case Norman the lawman felt your collar there and then allowing you to state your case).
Then someone like you comes along and blows all those arguments out of the water. The enforcement agencies use people like you as the very reason for keeping cameras and all the other methods they use out there.
120 miles an hour on a public road. What a t
t, what a nipple, what an arrogant irresponsible dhead you are. You may well be driving someone else`s powerful supercar that`s more than capable of doing those speeds and more, unfortunately David Smith, 39 driving his Vauxhall Vectra along the A27 wasn`t so fortunate. He was a decent enough chap, didn`t live an extravogant life. His two kids aged 7 and 9 were getting on well at school. The eldest, a boy, had just joined the local Gosport junior football team. The 7 year old loved anything to do with high school musical. Mrs Smith worked a receptionist in the local doctor`s sugery and that bit of extra income afforded them the chance to book two weeks in Florida this summer. They were due to fly out on August 2nd.At 12.07 hrs David was driving back from seeing a customer in Southampton. Life was good, he`d just signed up a wholesaler on a 6 month contract and the bonus was likely to be his biggest to date. He was planning on phoning for Pizza with the family that night by way of a celebration. He was driving at around 60-65 miles an hour. It was a bright day, he had the air con turned up and was rapping his fingers on the steering wheel to Ocean FM. He glanced in his rear view mirror. All was well. 24 seconds later he indicated right glanced in the mirror and pulled out into lane 2 to overtake a Land Rover towing an Avon Rib. There was a screech of brakes, a bang, his car slew to the left and he impacted heavily with the concrete support pillar for the A259. He was attended to at the scene, survived 8 hours but unfortunately was pronounced dead at 8.42pm in the intensive care unit. His wife and two children were in the waiting room next door.
The car that hit him was traveling at 120 miles an hour, when David first looked in his mirror the car was around half a mile away and out of David`s view. There was no other traffic and it is thought David was lulled into a false sense of security only casually glancing in his mirror before pulling out to overtake the land rover / boat combination. At a closing speed of 60 mph the driver of the speeding car had no chance of avoiding contact with the Vauxhall. The driver of the speeding car survived and avoided prosecution as he moved back the USA shortly after the incident and from there moved out to Asia.
Every cloud has a silver lining though Matt those tickets to Florida are going spare on August 2nd. They are only economy I`m afraid but they`ll be cheap. I`ll email you the telephone number. Oh and the kids did get Pizza that night, in the waiting room for the IC unit.
You were doing 120 miles an hour, got a tug and are moaning. Wow !
All the best big boy.
Henry
You're not on the wrong site. We don't know the conditions in which you were driving and so can't make a fair judgement. 120 leptons can be safe or crazy on the same stretch of road depending on a variety of factors. The driver who killed someone by going into the back that was posted above has, IMO nothing to do with your story.
I took your tale to be making a point against the rather arbitrary setting of speed limits and their enforcement for cash generation and the associated reduction of traffic police with their focus on other road safety issues. If this was your point, I agree.
I took your tale to be making a point against the rather arbitrary setting of speed limits and their enforcement for cash generation and the associated reduction of traffic police with their focus on other road safety issues. If this was your point, I agree.
In sexual terms we spend our time on this forum arguing whether the current age of consent be reduced from 21, (which would be the age equivalent of our somewhat conservative 70 mph motorway limit). Some would argue 18, some 16 and in certain circumstances some might even argue 15. The problem is Matt that by driving at 120 miles an hour on a public road you`re trying to make a case for shagging a 10 year old, (not literally but in speed limit terms - I`m sure you`re a thoroughly decent chap morally ).
There can never be a case for driving at 120 miles and hour on a public road in the UK whilst other road users are on there. The closing speeds are just too great. 85 miles an hour yes. But not 120. I genuinely can not see how anyone could think it safe. You have no margin of error.
This is indeed supposed to be a petrolhead`s place of refuge in what are clearly anti motorist times, but if we don`t keep our house in order it makes us too easy a target and I don`t want to see that happen.
Henry
).There can never be a case for driving at 120 miles and hour on a public road in the UK whilst other road users are on there. The closing speeds are just too great. 85 miles an hour yes. But not 120. I genuinely can not see how anyone could think it safe. You have no margin of error.
This is indeed supposed to be a petrolhead`s place of refuge in what are clearly anti motorist times, but if we don`t keep our house in order it makes us too easy a target and I don`t want to see that happen.
Henry
mrobin33 said:
Obviously David's situation is tragic in all ways and nobody can defend dangerous and wreckless driving - which is not the same as fast driving in appropriate conditions.
I reckon I could defend wreckless driving. Sounds like a good thing to me.Just because there is a long straight section doesn't mean you can travel at such excessive speeds. Whilst not defending scameras, arbitrary speed limits or the conversion to long 50mph sections coming up to roundabouts, when you are next travelling eastbound to that exact same roundabout, look for the smashed out chunk of wall some student took out, killing a friend (IIRC).
Speed related or not accidents happen and if you're doing 120 it's going to be worse. Why should other road users need to anticipate you doing near double the limit? Hope you have gone back overseas.
Did your first ban not teach you anything or are you now highly trained to be able to judge whether the conditions are appropriate for that speed?
Henry-F said:
There can never be a case for driving at 120 miles and hour on a public road in the UK whilst other road users are on there. The closing speeds are just too great. 85 miles an hour yes. But not 120. I genuinely can not see how anyone could think it safe. You have no margin of error.
This is indeed supposed to be a petrolhead`s place of refuge in what are clearly anti motorist times, but if we don`t keep our house in order it makes us too easy a target and I don`t want to see that happen.
Henry
Spot on, HenryThis is indeed supposed to be a petrolhead`s place of refuge in what are clearly anti motorist times, but if we don`t keep our house in order it makes us too easy a target and I don`t want to see that happen.
Henry
omega man said:
Thats a shame, I live in Lewes and thats the first time they have set up traps there since the limit changed to 50, which way were you traveling? towards Newhaven or Brighton?
sorry but its not. They were there about 3 mths ago - same mo. Thankfully I was in the Landy but even so 50 towards the kingston r-a-b is stupid limit which even nearly caught me.Edited by superlightr on Friday 18th July 12:30
I don't actually feel very strongly about defending 120mph - and am interested in the opposing views without name calling.
Having said that I have driven all sorts of cars and bikes at that sort of speed and much much higher too (private roads of course) and think that absolute speed comparisons are meaningless without context.
120mph on an open empty wide road in dry conditions, in a well maintained Ferrari, IMO, is much much safer than 80-90 mph on a crowded M25 in a ill-equipped old white van, and is safer than 40mph in a suburban street in a badly modified chav-mobile (nice exhaust but clapped out shocks and tires). Hence my protestation that 120mph can be safe - not in any situation - but it can be.
And out of interest, even though I live in the US I still pay enough tax here to fund a few police and I'd rather they turned up to a burgled house to try and catch a drugged up robber than trap motorists enjoying a sunny day!
Having said that I have driven all sorts of cars and bikes at that sort of speed and much much higher too (private roads of course) and think that absolute speed comparisons are meaningless without context.
120mph on an open empty wide road in dry conditions, in a well maintained Ferrari, IMO, is much much safer than 80-90 mph on a crowded M25 in a ill-equipped old white van, and is safer than 40mph in a suburban street in a badly modified chav-mobile (nice exhaust but clapped out shocks and tires). Hence my protestation that 120mph can be safe - not in any situation - but it can be.
And out of interest, even though I live in the US I still pay enough tax here to fund a few police and I'd rather they turned up to a burgled house to try and catch a drugged up robber than trap motorists enjoying a sunny day!
Okay, fair enough, no more catcalling.
I guess 120 can be safe in certain circumstances. And I'd add that that 50mph limit is probably unnecessary. But in my experience, 120 on that section of road, at that time of the day, is pretty outrageous and is why I felt disinclined towards the sough sympathy.
I guess 120 can be safe in certain circumstances. And I'd add that that 50mph limit is probably unnecessary. But in my experience, 120 on that section of road, at that time of the day, is pretty outrageous and is why I felt disinclined towards the sough sympathy.
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