Witness to two guys arguing,what's with all the ?????
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We were in the house one night and two guys who go to the local handicapped centre were arguing over a girl.One just didn't want to fight and was genuinely frightened,the other full of bravado and throwing his arms around but never connecting.Anyway,this was about two months ago and my other half who decided to call the police(as did a dozen others in the street)has still been getting calls asking about this.Last call being tonight,hello it's PC whoever,asking for details of the non-fight,they wanted my partner's name,maiden name,date of birth,where she was born,whether she was working or not,knicker size,chest measurements...well only the last two were a joke!Why the hell do they need a maiden name and to know whether she is in employment?I could see while she was on the phone speaking to the officer she was obviously uncomfortable having all these pointless questions being flung at her.
I expect one of those involved has now been charged with an offence, and your other half is required as a witness. The info you mention is probably needed for the witness form.
If it's such a huge deal for her to give this info, then why did she bother phoning in the first place, particularly if the matter was as trivial as you say.
If it's such a huge deal for her to give this info, then why did she bother phoning in the first place, particularly if the matter was as trivial as you say.
Maiden name will be required for the PCN check and this and employment status will be used to judge the value as a witness.
As one of our resident BiB has posted recently, if you call the police to your house they will record details of children living with you including information to enable an assessment of the standard of care they appear to be receiving.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that officers are required to make a note ifyour property smells of cigarette smoke (I have been reliably informed that council visitors have to record this).
The question on knicker size will undoubtedly follow ... to enable an assessment of (potential) obesity and thereby determination of suitability for future care on the NHS.
This information will become accessible (to many hundreds of organisations) via the National ID Card.
Streaky
As one of our resident BiB has posted recently, if you call the police to your house they will record details of children living with you including information to enable an assessment of the standard of care they appear to be receiving.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that officers are required to make a note ifyour property smells of cigarette smoke (I have been reliably informed that council visitors have to record this).
The question on knicker size will undoubtedly follow ... to enable an assessment of (potential) obesity and thereby determination of suitability for future care on the NHS.
This information will become accessible (to many hundreds of organisations) via the National ID Card.
Streaky
Pretty standard questions for a witness.
Date of birth, Maiden name, as has been said, to PNC check for Pre-cons.
Occupation, again, standard question. Can affect credibility of witness.
ETA althoigh the event she witnessed may seem to be nothing, it may be part of a series of incidents between these 2 men.
For all we know one may now have seriously assaulted the other, and may now be denying having ever met the victim, or argued with him.
Her evidence would negate that line of defence.
Date of birth, Maiden name, as has been said, to PNC check for Pre-cons.
Occupation, again, standard question. Can affect credibility of witness.
ETA althoigh the event she witnessed may seem to be nothing, it may be part of a series of incidents between these 2 men.
For all we know one may now have seriously assaulted the other, and may now be denying having ever met the victim, or argued with him.
Her evidence would negate that line of defence.
Edited by Chrispy Porker on Saturday 19th July 07:44
animal44 said:
streaky said:
This information will become accessible (to many hundreds of organisations) via the National ID Card.
Streaky
Or all and sundry when some plonker loses his/her laptop on the tube... :-)Streaky
As has been a matter of public record for goodness knows how long.
I'd phone the local police station and ask to check that the officer calling really exists!
I had plain clothed police knocking on my door one morning when some f
ker cloned our car, and when one of them showed me his ID it looked like some crappy library card - I insisted on calling the local nick to confirm his details, so there is NO WAY I would accept anyone phoning up claiming to be a police officer unless I was expecting the call. Don't ask them for the phone number either, get it out of the phone book, they could be just giving you a dodgy number!
Same when you get a random call from your bank and they then ask you to confirm YOUR details - crazy if you answer!
I had plain clothed police knocking on my door one morning when some f
ker cloned our car, and when one of them showed me his ID it looked like some crappy library card - I insisted on calling the local nick to confirm his details, so there is NO WAY I would accept anyone phoning up claiming to be a police officer unless I was expecting the call. Don't ask them for the phone number either, get it out of the phone book, they could be just giving you a dodgy number!Same when you get a random call from your bank and they then ask you to confirm YOUR details - crazy if you answer!
M5Dave said:
I expect one of those involved has now been charged with an offence, and your other half is required as a witness. The info you mention is probably needed for the witness form.
If it's such a huge deal for her to give this info, then why did she bother phoning in the first place, particularly if the matter was as trivial as you say.
She bothered to phone in the first place as the guy who was on the receiving end of the aggressor was mentally handicapped and was shouting out loud to all the neighbours to help him,that's why!If it's such a huge deal for her to give this info, then why did she bother phoning in the first place, particularly if the matter was as trivial as you say.
Seems a fair responce on your other half's response in light of the potential for the issue to have escalated out of control. I hope I don't have to face the "wish I had said something" in light of some issue developing into a serious crime.
Sad reflection really that the credibility of a witnesses comment, which has been independently corroborated by other witnesses to the incident, must be verified or their status tested before it can be acted upon. I appreciate that comments made must be validated to a degree to minimise the risk of the wasting of police time but where is the public incentive to become involved in these issues.
And we wonder why the community spirit is diminishing?!!
Sad reflection really that the credibility of a witnesses comment, which has been independently corroborated by other witnesses to the incident, must be verified or their status tested before it can be acted upon. I appreciate that comments made must be validated to a degree to minimise the risk of the wasting of police time but where is the public incentive to become involved in these issues.
And we wonder why the community spirit is diminishing?!!
M5Dave said:
If it's such a huge deal for her to give this info, then why did she bother phoning in the first place, particularly if the matter was as trivial as you say.
Because its one thing to carry out a civic duty, its entirely another to have your own privacy invaded.I have to say that if I had witnessed a crime and the Police then started asking for personal details I would want no further part in proceedings and would decline any and all questions.
If it was so 'essential' to garner this information why to anonymous crime reporting facilities such as Crimestoppers exist?
Plotloss said:
M5Dave said:
If it's such a huge deal for her to give this info, then why did she bother phoning in the first place, particularly if the matter was as trivial as you say.
Because its one thing to carry out a civic duty, its entirely another to have your own privacy invaded.I have to say that if I had witnessed a crime and the Police then started asking for personal details I would want no further part in proceedings and would decline any and all questions.
If it was so 'essential' to garner this information why to anonymous crime reporting facilities such as Crimestoppers exist?
herewego said:
Plotloss said:
M5Dave said:
If it's such a huge deal for her to give this info, then why did she bother phoning in the first place, particularly if the matter was as trivial as you say.
Because its one thing to carry out a civic duty, its entirely another to have your own privacy invaded.I have to say that if I had witnessed a crime and the Police then started asking for personal details I would want no further part in proceedings and would decline any and all questions.
If it was so 'essential' to garner this information why to anonymous crime reporting facilities such as Crimestoppers exist?
Plotloss said:
M5Dave said:
If it's such a huge deal for her to give this info, then why did she bother phoning in the first place, particularly if the matter was as trivial as you say.
Because its one thing to carry out a civic duty, its entirely another to have your own privacy invaded.I have to say that if I had witnessed a crime and the Police then started asking for personal details I would want no further part in proceedings and would decline any and all questions.
If it was so 'essential' to garner this information why to anonymous crime reporting facilities such as Crimestoppers exist?
Sometimes the levels of stupidity on this site stagger me.
Why do anonymous crime reporting facilities exist then?
More than happy for contact details to be taken, personal details it gets a bit more grey IMHO.
Its not stupidity its preference, which thankfully we're still allowed to exert, I'm sure that wouldnt be the case if you had your way though.
More than happy for contact details to be taken, personal details it gets a bit more grey IMHO.
Its not stupidity its preference, which thankfully we're still allowed to exert, I'm sure that wouldnt be the case if you had your way though.
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