Decriminalisation of parking offences
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Apparently, Surrey CC is considering the "decriminalisation of parking offences", in which case, according to the document I have before me, "enforcement of all parking restrictions" would become the responsibility of the CC.
Apart from the likelihood that this "enforcement" would be outsourced and involve clamps, removal and swingeing fines, what does this really mean?
Streaky
>>> Edited by streaky on Wednesday 12th November 14:13
Apart from the likelihood that this "enforcement" would be outsourced and involve clamps, removal and swingeing fines, what does this really mean?
Streaky
>>> Edited by streaky on Wednesday 12th November 14:13
streaky said:
Apparently, Surrey CC is considering the "decriminalisation of parking offences", in which case, according to the document I have before me, "enforcement of all parking restrictions" would become the responsibility of the CC.
Apart from the liklihood that this "enforecement" would be outsourced and involve clamps, removal and swingeing fines, what does this really mean?
Streaky
I means thater there going to inploy and army of traffic wardens and go round slaping tickets on a lighting speed, like never before
there even be out puting tickets on a 11 at night when no ones expecting it.
there be every where
there favorat trick its ticketing car in disabled bays weather the car has a orange badge or not.
how do they done it here and the same thing in every other town that they decrimalised it in.
the only god thing about is that tickets are a civil debt so easy to tell what hole to shove it in.
In Dorset, we no longer are authorised to give out FPN's for parking offences, unless the vehicle is causing an obstruction which we'd have to prove (parked over a dropped kerb in front of your house, parked half on pavement etc)
We still do zig-zags too...
Not many people realise this..and the "Le Mans starts" from the cashpoints in town are a source of endless amusement
We still do zig-zags too...
Not many people realise this..and the "Le Mans starts" from the cashpoints in town are a source of endless amusement
outlaw said:outlaw - what would we do without your pithy (not to say, 'barbed') comments
Apparently, Surrey CC is considering the "decriminalisation of parking offences", in which case, according to the document I have before me, "enforcement of all parking restrictions" would become the responsibility of the CC.
Apart from the likelihood that this "enforcement" would be outsourced and involve clamps, removal and swingeing fines, what does this really mean?
Streaky
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there favorat trick its ticketing car in disabled bays weather the car has a orange badge or not.
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? But I must take issue with you on one point ... shouldn't the badges now be blue? 
Maybe such traffic wardens suffer from 'blue/orange colour-blindness' - a rare form of the disease that afflicts only traffic wardens and then irrespective of sex or race - Streakymadant69 said:Woah, there ,madant69! Are you saying that parking over a dropped kerb is 'obstruction'? I thought that the property owner had no right of parking outside their property. Who is 'obstructed'? - Streaky
In Dorset, we no longer are authorised to give out FPN's for parking offences, unless the vehicle is causing an obstruction which we'd have to prove (parked over a dropped kerb in front of your house, parked half on pavement etc) ...
streaky said:
Apart from the likelihood that this "enforcement" would be outsourced and involve clamps, removal and swingeing fines, what does this really mean?
Judging by Edinburgh standards, it means huge armies of complete cnuts, armed with digital cameras, ticketing anything and everything, on a commission basis. No margins, no excuses, ticket. They even ticketed the car of a pregnant woman who stopped to go into a public toilet and throw up...
MTV awards were in Edinburgh last Thursday, and I was walking past a central hotel at about 6, lots of limos and taxis drawn up, and Edinburgh's finest waiting to pounce - celebrity tickets, anyone? They also ticketed Westlife's bus when they were visiting Radio Forth.
But you get a nice uniform with a peaked cap...
streaky said:
In Dorset, we no longer are authorised to give out FPN's for parking offences, unless the vehicle is causing an obstruction which we'd have to prove (parked over a dropped kerb in front of your house, parked half on pavement etc) ...
Woah, there ,madant69! Are you saying that parking over a dropped kerb is 'obstruction'? I thought that the property owner had no right of parking outside their property. Who is 'obstructed'? - Streaky
Yes I'd also like to know the answer to that as I park in front of my dropped kerb e.g. when the drive is full of visitor's cars.
Can I really be charged with unnecessary obstruction when the victim is myself? Shurely shome mishtake.
madant69 said:Under English Law, the householder does not have any rights over the highway adjacent to the property - this includes the right to park (ie. they do not have the right to park outside their house).
SCHTOP!! I meant if someone else parked in front of your house, over YOUR dropped kerb!!
I did say I couldn't type...did I mention I was barely verbal too?
If a vehicle is parked so as to 'obstruct' entrance to or egress from my drive onto the road, does this constitute legal 'obstruction'? How much of my driveway has to be blocked to constitute 'obstruction'?
Speaking from memories of years ago....I seem to recall that it constitutes obstruction if the household owner is unable to get his vehicle out of his his drive....I think it is a bit of a grey area.. and I am not so sure that it applies to the householder gaining access INTO the drive as well!
Any current BIB care to comment?
>> Edited by sb-1 on Wednesday 12th November 17:42
Any current BIB care to comment?
>> Edited by sb-1 on Wednesday 12th November 17:42
streaky said:
madant69 said:
SCHTOP!! I meant if someone else parked in front of your house, over YOUR dropped kerb!!
I did say I couldn't type...did I mention I was barely verbal too?
Under English Law, the householder does not have any rights over the highway adjacent to the property - this includes the right to park (ie. they do not have the right to park outside their house).
If a vehicle is parked so as to 'obstruct' entrance to or egress from my drive onto the road, does this constitute legal 'obstruction'? How much of my driveway has to be blocked to constitute 'obstruction'?
: pedant mode = on:
just on a point of order, "obstruction" per se is not actually an offence its a definition.
The specific offence is "unnecessary obstruction."
: pedant mode = off:
thread hijack warning!
PS Streaky I eventually got you (was you wasn't it?) an answer on whether a ghost island ie white paint hatchings) surrounded by solid white line doth a dual carriageway make. Answer; definitely not! source Roads Policy Unit DfT.
cheers,
FiF
>> Edited by flat in fifth on Wednesday 12th November 17:49
flat in fifth said:
just on a point of order, "obstruction" per se is not actually an offence its a definition.
The specific offence is "unnecessary obstruction."
And if they didn't see who parked it there, an impossible one to prove.
"No case to answer" - my car outside my own house + success in court.
flat in fifth said:It was, thanks. Shame though - Streaky
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thread hijack warning!
PS Streaky I eventually got you (was you wasn't it?) an answer on whether a ghost island ie white paint hatchings) surrounded by solid white line doth a dual carriageway make. Answer; definitely not! source Roads Policy Unit DfT.
cheers, FiF
5ltr-chim said:
just on a point of order, "obstruction" per se is not actually an offence its a definition.
The specific offence is "unnecessary obstruction."
And if they didn't see who parked it there, an impossible one to prove.
"No case to answer" - my car outside my own house + success in court.
the reality I would think is that unless the owner of the drive complains about obstruction then you will not get done. Are you going to complain about parking across your own drive? I think not.
dimmadan said:
flat in fifth said:
just on a point of order, "obstruction" per se is not actually an offence its a definition.
The specific offence is "unnecessary obstruction."
And if they didn't see who parked it there, an impossible one to prove.
"No case to answer" - my car outside my own house + success in court.
the reality I would think is that unless the owner of the drive complains about obstruction then you will not get done. Are you going to complain about parking across your own drive? I think not.
Am I going to complain about me parking across my own drive. Well I know I look stupid but......
By way of explanation can I ask does anyone else have an anally-retentive TFA as a near neighbour or am I the only unfortunate.
Let's face it God wouldn't have allowed twin 40 Dellortos to be invented if he didn't expect you to give it large once in a while.
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