Last short wheel base DARE G4 for sale!!

[geeeman]

Just spotted this on CC website:
http://www.cottageclassics.co.uk/ginetta/ginettag4...

looks like great value

[Jack D]

This is not the last stand wheel base car by dare "there are 4 or so after ! me thinks '

[dandarez]

Red wine interior puts me off - pity.
So few are coming up for sale at the minute - wish I'd gone for the white open car now.

Note on Spadge's site he says about LNT buying the G10 and possible entering it in next Goodwood Revival. Not sure how they'll get that entered!

[911hillclimber]

Seeing as the G12 is too expensive for me, the G4 is growing on me.

I've seen a Dare hillclimb and the car was impressive in standard spec.

What power/ torque can you squeeze from the Zetec engine?

Anyone raced one on slicks on here please?

[dandarez]

Dunno about slicks but when the track starts to get damp you need to be alert right to the end!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDivCsqQlbo&fea...

Not a happy jap (sorry couldn't resist that!)

Edited by dandarez on Friday 7th March 21:14

[911hillclimber]

How much are Dare G4's new as the Dare site shows nothing on costs.
Are there other stronger engine options?

[dandarez]

You need to speak to Ivor or Mark re a new one.

Usually 1.8 or 2.0 Zetec but plenty of power can be got out of these, even the 1.8.

Have you seen the Tim Moore video with his road reg Dare G4?
Suspension a bit soft for this hill climb.
Here's a link (no restriction on this) need RealPlayer or sim.

C:\Documents and Settings\Home\Desktop\002 57 tim moore.wmv

[911hillclimber]

OK, I didn't want to pester them as it took a long time to get the price for a rolling and complete G12 and to find it is not available in kit or module form.

Will try to find the link as I have not seen the vid of a red one.

130 bhp in 650Kg is simply too tame for the hillclimb class Iam thinking of, need about 200 bhp and good torque.

Thanks for the response.

Graham.

[dandarez]

the link to the Tim Moore Dare G4 hillclimb sprint car has changed.
Go to:
http://www.brayspeed.co.uk/video.htm#top

you have to sign on as new member (yellow button) but it's free and quick.
then scroll down videos find LONGLEAT 2006
and click on

Zetec powered Ginetta G4 - Road Legal
Driven by Tim Moore

[geeeman]

I think Tims car may have in the region of 200BHP+

[911hillclimber]

Got to the 2006 vid this morning, Looks good and that suspension sure is soft, esp ar the rear, but everything looks very well behaved.

The car looks to carry it's speed through all the course really well.

I assume the chassis is standard but maybe decent tyres?
The G$ at Cottage is £15K so a new G4 will be about 20?

Interesting...

[dandarez]

They were selling new at 17,995 at the time the 04 was new so depreciation is nowt!
There was some rubbish last week in Autocar about buying a new Ariel Atom at 40 grand because the depreciation after a year would be nil... (they forgot to add you have to 'resell' it to get no depreciation!). A G4 will be snapped up, slightly different.

The 15 grand one on Spadge's site is the ex Paul Stephens one - but it is a 1.8 not dry sumped and the wine interior not my liking otherwise I would go for it for a road car. The blue X flow one also on Spadges site is cheaper at 12 grand (ish) and open to offers, has non std alloys but an original alloy is sitting on the pass seat! The orig s/wheel is in the boot. Wonder how much they would drop? But it's a X flow motor so I'll keep looking. How I'm kicking myself now about the white open car - he who hesitates loses... wonder who got that?

[911hillclimber]

The Cottage Red one looks a track day car to me and the engine is ancient today.

I like the Zetec motor, and the G4 looks far more viable as a hillclimber than the G12 just on cost. There is a £10K difference between them.

Do you think there is much more weight to be taken off?
Also, interested in the wider rear bodywork in the Cottage 'past G4's on their web page. It allows much wider wheeels than the standard item.

Thank you for the help, it seems the G4 could be a very good hillclimber if you compromise on the 'road-going' side of life.

Graham

[timg4d]

My suspension was definitely a bit soft - since had new shocks fitted all round. And yes, my car does have 200+ bhp. The track was quite greasy on that run after a lot of rain earlier - it's not really apparent from the vid. Since then, the car has had a factory respray and is looking like new. Not planning to compete with it this year as our G18 will be out soon. I'm probably going to sell the G4 - most likely through Dare as they have done all the work to the car since I bought it new. Chassis standard apart from firmer springs. It also has a Quaife gearbox and LSD and strengthened driveshafts etc - the standard set up won't take too many competition starts if the engine has a lot of grunt. Even then, it doesn't have a huge amount of torque for the slower venues, but it's ace at circuits like Lydden and Llandow.

Tim

[timg4d]

Forgot to say - tyres are Yokohama A048Rs with the wide rear body.

Tim

[dandarez]

What sort of money do you reckon it should fetch Tim?

[911hillclimber]

Tim: very interesting, thanks!
Hillclimbed this for 10 years, then a 400bhp Impreza. now looking for something new for 2009 (keeping the 911!)

Edited by 911hillclimber on Sunday 9th March 22:20

Edited by 911hillclimber on Sunday 9th March 22:22

[Foolish Dave]

RE a new G4, if you are serious, talk to Paul Stephens (also a 911 racer) he was the sole UK dealer last time I was hunting a G4. Brookes Kensington used to be, but seems Paul offered them a better deal. BK will still do some very good work on the car though, and I'd recommend them for serious competition suspension tuning.

A 2.0l Ford Zetec with the works from the factory can get about 240bhp - based on the gold 'club sport' Paul commissioned a while ago. With less expense you can get 180-190 and still drive it like a road car.
The 1.8l Zetec in pretty standard trim with a drysump from Dare is 130-150bhp.

Suppose it all really depends on what you want to spend... IIRC a slightly tweaked 2.0l 'roadster' (open top with hard and soft top) with metallic paint was about £23k OTR... really very cheap for what you are getting!

[Jack D]

Just noticed the question from earlier, this was a Dare G4 on 8 inch wide rear slicks that fittted under the wide bodied option. It got the fastest time in the Ginetta category, it was also quicker than the Porsche GT3 who won its class,
my car is set up more for track racing use than sprints hill climbs.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5mPXxE8c9V8

As a by the way Cliff tested his G12 again the other day and in the brief test the car got down to my G4 race times and we still got some more developing to go (it's looking quick) .
PS : G12 rolling chassis body units are available.

Edited by Jack D on Monday 10th March 13:16

[911hillclimber]

Interesting sprint track!

The G4 does seem like a very good car to me and with 230 bhp / 600 Kg thats a healthy 380 bhp/tonne and keen dynamics too.

At £23K complete, that is the rolling chassis cost for the G12.

The main consideration is competing in the top 3 at least in a hillclimb.

In the up to 2000cc racing class you have a swarm of locatorfields, some with bike engines, and certainly not standard.

In the road going class you have MG's etc, so much better!
Not sure if the G4 is eligable for road class (volumes made /year criteria)

Some more homework to do.

As ever, thanks for the comments, really helps.

Graham.