Are Liverpool fans the most deluded in the world?
Discussion
I know Newcastle fans are quite high up there, thinking themselves a big club with good fans, when a few years ago they were having attendances of less than 20,000. But every year Liverpool fans seem to take it to a whole new level, believing that they actually have a chance of winning the league, when in reality they will be lucky to finish fourth with Spurs and Everton potentially having better squads.
Here is a post from one of their deluded number :-
10 Reasons why Liverpool will win the league next season.
1. We are not that far off.
If you were a betting man and a statistics enthusiasts you’d excited after studying Liverpools last few league campaigns. Ask any statistician and they will tell you that trends are everything in their line of work. In 2004/2005, Benitez’s first season Liverpool finished 37 points behind the winners. Since then we’ve closed the gap and in the season just gone we finished just 11 points behind. Not that far off considering if we beat Man United home and away, which would have happened if it weren’t for incompetent refereeing we would have won the league. We are not that far off.
2. The manager.
Rafa’s done it; he knows how to win the league now. This season we’ve seen a dramatic change in tactics seeing us beat teams by six or more goals. We were also in the league right up until April, when United managed to jammy a win over us. Rafa has also got the balance right in his rotation policy. Problems off the field caused us to lose concentration at a critical time.
3. The prospect of getting some DIC.
There’s no doubt that if we went with DIC over the yank
s we would be chasing a treble right about now. Once we become par with United and Chelsea in terms of spending god help the rest of the league and the rest of Europe. A sleeping giant is about to rise. With a bit of DIC, that will happen next season.
4. El Nino.
For those of you that aren’t aware, Torres has scored the most goals by a foreigner in his first season. Yep, you heard right. More than Van Nistelrooy, Henry and Ronaldo. Considering it usually take foreigners 12-14 months to adapt, the prospect of what Torres will become is simply mouth watering. For me he’s far and away TBPITW. He has more to his game than Ronaldo, who is so vastly overrated it’s not funny. You would expect Torres to get somewhere in the range of 40-50 goals next season. Premiership defenders just aren’t accomplished enough to deal with him.
5. Our Midfield.
Everyone’s heard the song and a few other teams imitate it, but there’s no doubt who actually has the best midfield is the world. With Alonso and Macherano opposition teams just have simply no chance of playing through us. With Lucas, we probably have the most exciting young midfield prospect in the world. With Gerrard driving power in front, we simply have the midfield that is the envy of all Europe.
6. Skrtel and Agger.
With these two leading from that back next season expect us to concede few goals, especially in the league, where I’d be surprised if we conceded more than 12. Not only are they accomplished defenders but they can also use the ball as good as any midfielder. With Carragher possibly going to right back we will have the most penetrable wall since Berlin fell. Even the Chinese would be proud of such a wall.
7. The new signings.
All in all we have a great spine. If we went to see a chiropractor, he’d have quick feel and take some photos for his textbook so he could show clients what the perfect posture and spine looks like. Therefore, we just need a couple of players to play ancillary roles along with one or two major signings. We can only speculate at the moment. But you know there’s going to be big names. I would expect someone to partner Torres and I imagine Rafa pulling of the coup of the season for this position. Imagine the damage that Kaka from Milan or Benzemia from Lyon could inflict on the premiership. If I were a manc or a bitter, I’d be stting myself right now with the though that we could possible sign those type of players.
8. The opposition.
On paper the mancs look favourite for next season, but consider this: Only very rarely to teams win three league titles in a row. Have a look through the history books if you like. I’ve done the maths and the mancs only have about a 1 in 15 chance of winning it next season. Arsenal and Chelsea will be going though rebuilding phases. Half the Arsenal team are already off and Chelsea have already lost Drogba and Ambrovich has promised a cleanse. Now is the perfect time for us to take advantage of this and win ourselves a league title the same way Chelsea took advantage of Arsenal and United rebuilding to win there first Premier League crown.
9. The supporters.
Do I need say more? We get ourselves in position to win the league come late April or May next season and the supporters will do the rest. Could you imagine the Kop with us closing in on the league title? Best supporters in Europe.
10. The status-quo
I see a lot of supporters worrying about United overtaking our league title haul. You can only laugh at these fools. Liverpool have been the top dog in England for pretty much ever and it’s not about to change anytime soon. It’s squeaky bum time, as Fergie calls it, for the mancs right now. They know we are on the verge of getting our act together and they know that as soon as we get that first one the floodgates will open. They know they will never have a better chance to go level with us and you’ll see the nervousness creep in. “Knock us off our perch” yeaaaahh right. Check back in a few years and it will be 25 - 17.
Here is a post from one of their deluded number :-
10 Reasons why Liverpool will win the league next season.
1. We are not that far off.
If you were a betting man and a statistics enthusiasts you’d excited after studying Liverpools last few league campaigns. Ask any statistician and they will tell you that trends are everything in their line of work. In 2004/2005, Benitez’s first season Liverpool finished 37 points behind the winners. Since then we’ve closed the gap and in the season just gone we finished just 11 points behind. Not that far off considering if we beat Man United home and away, which would have happened if it weren’t for incompetent refereeing we would have won the league. We are not that far off.
2. The manager.
Rafa’s done it; he knows how to win the league now. This season we’ve seen a dramatic change in tactics seeing us beat teams by six or more goals. We were also in the league right up until April, when United managed to jammy a win over us. Rafa has also got the balance right in his rotation policy. Problems off the field caused us to lose concentration at a critical time.
3. The prospect of getting some DIC.
There’s no doubt that if we went with DIC over the yank
s we would be chasing a treble right about now. Once we become par with United and Chelsea in terms of spending god help the rest of the league and the rest of Europe. A sleeping giant is about to rise. With a bit of DIC, that will happen next season.4. El Nino.
For those of you that aren’t aware, Torres has scored the most goals by a foreigner in his first season. Yep, you heard right. More than Van Nistelrooy, Henry and Ronaldo. Considering it usually take foreigners 12-14 months to adapt, the prospect of what Torres will become is simply mouth watering. For me he’s far and away TBPITW. He has more to his game than Ronaldo, who is so vastly overrated it’s not funny. You would expect Torres to get somewhere in the range of 40-50 goals next season. Premiership defenders just aren’t accomplished enough to deal with him.
5. Our Midfield.
Everyone’s heard the song and a few other teams imitate it, but there’s no doubt who actually has the best midfield is the world. With Alonso and Macherano opposition teams just have simply no chance of playing through us. With Lucas, we probably have the most exciting young midfield prospect in the world. With Gerrard driving power in front, we simply have the midfield that is the envy of all Europe.
6. Skrtel and Agger.
With these two leading from that back next season expect us to concede few goals, especially in the league, where I’d be surprised if we conceded more than 12. Not only are they accomplished defenders but they can also use the ball as good as any midfielder. With Carragher possibly going to right back we will have the most penetrable wall since Berlin fell. Even the Chinese would be proud of such a wall.
7. The new signings.
All in all we have a great spine. If we went to see a chiropractor, he’d have quick feel and take some photos for his textbook so he could show clients what the perfect posture and spine looks like. Therefore, we just need a couple of players to play ancillary roles along with one or two major signings. We can only speculate at the moment. But you know there’s going to be big names. I would expect someone to partner Torres and I imagine Rafa pulling of the coup of the season for this position. Imagine the damage that Kaka from Milan or Benzemia from Lyon could inflict on the premiership. If I were a manc or a bitter, I’d be s
tting myself right now with the though that we could possible sign those type of players.8. The opposition.
On paper the mancs look favourite for next season, but consider this: Only very rarely to teams win three league titles in a row. Have a look through the history books if you like. I’ve done the maths and the mancs only have about a 1 in 15 chance of winning it next season. Arsenal and Chelsea will be going though rebuilding phases. Half the Arsenal team are already off and Chelsea have already lost Drogba and Ambrovich has promised a cleanse. Now is the perfect time for us to take advantage of this and win ourselves a league title the same way Chelsea took advantage of Arsenal and United rebuilding to win there first Premier League crown.
9. The supporters.
Do I need say more? We get ourselves in position to win the league come late April or May next season and the supporters will do the rest. Could you imagine the Kop with us closing in on the league title? Best supporters in Europe.
10. The status-quo
I see a lot of supporters worrying about United overtaking our league title haul. You can only laugh at these fools. Liverpool have been the top dog in England for pretty much ever and it’s not about to change anytime soon. It’s squeaky bum time, as Fergie calls it, for the mancs right now. They know we are on the verge of getting our act together and they know that as soon as we get that first one the floodgates will open. They know they will never have a better chance to go level with us and you’ll see the nervousness creep in. “Knock us off our perch” yeaaaahh right. Check back in a few years and it will be 25 - 17.
i'm a huge liverpool fan and go when ever i can sadly its no where near as much as i like
anyway there nothing wrong with being positive about the team you support is there and i do feel liverpool can and will win the league,maybe not this year but i feel there is a team there that can bring the prem home, liverpool are a great euro team and play in the champions league well, i just wish we can get a league form like those of the top 3 ok not beating the like of chelsea,man u,arsenal will hurt you its the loses and the draws of the lower end teams that hit you just as bad which liverpool keep doing
we have some great players and a great manager i still dont think we are quite prem champs just yet
we are improving and i feel coming from 37points behind too only 11 is a great thing
here's to a good season
i just hoping i dont turn into the fans you discibed
anyway there nothing wrong with being positive about the team you support is there and i do feel liverpool can and will win the league,maybe not this year but i feel there is a team there that can bring the prem home, liverpool are a great euro team and play in the champions league well, i just wish we can get a league form like those of the top 3 ok not beating the like of chelsea,man u,arsenal will hurt you its the loses and the draws of the lower end teams that hit you just as bad which liverpool keep doing
we have some great players and a great manager i still dont think we are quite prem champs just yet
we are improving and i feel coming from 37points behind too only 11 is a great thing
here's to a good season
i just hoping i dont turn into the fans you discibed
mickk said:
As mentioned elsewhere a strikeforce of Torres and Keane could be the hottest next season, thats why im know predicting a second place for them behind Man U
They will be lucky to finish 4th this year. Torres will get less than 20 premiership goals this year, he will find it much tougher in his second season and keane wont make that much of a difference.vivaronaldo said:
mickk said:
As mentioned elsewhere a strikeforce of Torres and Keane could be the hottest next season, thats why im know predicting a second place for them behind Man U
They will be lucky to finish 4th this year. Torres will get less than 20 premiership goals this year, he will find it much tougher in his second season and keane wont make that much of a difference.
. Im not a massive fan of theirs but someones got to keep Ar5na1 and Chelsea back, and Spurs are rebuilding AGAIN 
pistnskint said:
What are Man U gonna do then without Ronaldo, and even with him he can't have another season like the last one.
I think Torres and Keane will be brilliant for us, and that's no delusion!!
Same as we've always done (with or without Ronaldo). I think Torres and Keane will be brilliant for us, and that's no delusion!!
...... ......... 
Oh yes that's it - keep winning the Prem 
I'm more concerned about what we do without Fergie in a couple of years time
Edited by dickymint on Sunday 27th July 12:15
This was taken from a Liverpool fan site posted by a ManU supporter a few months ago - it is a long read but probably one of the best things I have read in a long, long time. It shows you must have respect and that we are basically different sides of the same coin. The OP could do with some learning.
Lessons from History, that's why its important, it teaches us, if we listen.
After browsing your forum, I was a bit shocked as to the current mood, seems to me that you all live in basically two camps.
Those that are realistic and those that believe your past glories are relevant to today.
Before we start, I would like to say that I will write this from both my Head and from my Heart, cos that's the two basic conflicts we all have every day of our lives, for those of you that don't want to listen, delete it, for the others, you only have to listen, you don't have to agree.
History Lesson
Heart = It was only 6 years after United won the European Cup 1968, that I was still making banners with my mates, "Pride of all Europe" for the Stretty Tunnel. The same year we got relegated, broke my [oops] heart, only 16 years old. How the [oops] did that happen, at that time I had no idea that could happen to us, impossible, the scars have never left me to this day.
Head = Too young to understand, we had been in decline for the last 5 years, no succession plans for either the old manager or aging stars, the Golden Thread was broken and there was no one able to tie it back again.
So started the years in the wilderness, frustrating, underachieving, but past Glories keep us alive.
Then we entered the years of the Liverpool Age.
Heart = They wont win it this year again, they were jammy [oops] to win Old Big Ears [European Cup for the younger ones]
Keagans gone to Germany and Tossack is a babyline [oops] with no one play with, scousers are finished.
Shankly has gone, now they are [oops].
Who the hell is this Paisley chap, were did he come from, never heard of him before, more L-Titles and another tin of brasso to clean Old Big Ears again. For [oops] sake, when will this ever end.
What did we get, 1977 FA Cup final, cost me 50 quid to get in, great day, but didnt last long enough, next morning it was history.
Fagan, he must be the old tea-boy or something, now the scousers are finished, not a chance, another top manager, I thought you had invented cloning or something, these were all clones of Shankly, it could go on like the Holy Roman Empire for a Thousand Years.
Rush, Kennedy, Hughes, Dalglish, Armstrong, never heard of em till they put on Red shirt, where did you get em from, we thought it was an FA conspiracy, only letting us buy the likes of Ted Macdougal, FA [oops].
The pain was terrible, we planned to invade MerseySide and burn it down, it worked against the Romans so why not you lot.
Head = You had the "Golden Thread" which was never broken, each new manager kept it tied, never broke it and passed it on intact.
When it got broken, which it is, you know it is, my guess is during Dalglish, that a whole another topic for you all I guess.
Heart = For over 10 years, a Scouser Skip-Lorry driver with a great big [oops]-off Liverpool banner in his cab, came to our works twice a week, he took the [oops] everytime he saw me during the close season, in order to get me to bet him a tenner, then twenty, I forget how much it went too, every year that we wouldn't win the league. Like an idiot, I always fell for the bait, you know the history, I never won, it was a banker for him every year. I bet with my heart.
What hurts the most is, that when the 26 years finally ended, I moved jobs that year and never got the chance of even a tenner back.
I have hunted for him ever since.
Head = 26 years before the "Golden Thread" was retied, that is a lifetime for some, an age for others.
No club is too big, past glories count for nothing, only in the memoirs of the fans to take with them to hopefully a better place.
United biggest problem is can our "Golden Thread" be passed on, cloning a reality now, so maybe old SAF could be cloned.
Bet you lot are wondering where Ranaldo, Nani, Anderson, Giggs, Scoles, Hughes, etc: came from, don't blame the FA.
Heart = Always wanted Liverpool to go though relegation like us and in today's commercial world, it is a lot more dangerous than when we went down, ask Leeds.
Maybe you will take 26 years to retie the "Golden Thread", [oops] hope so.
Head = If a proper Football Club like Liverpool was sent down, it might not come back, now that would be just another nail in the coffin of the game we all love.
Where else could I get my fix, not playing Wigan or Portsmouth or the like, give me Sheff Wed, Notts Forest, Burnley, Wolves, even Bristol Rovers over the money manufactured clubs that are starting to be the norm. Yes, United are a money machine, we know, but so are you.
Heart = I hate Liverpool Football Club and have never felt feelings like it, in my life when playing you lot, hope the feelings mutual, I expect so.
Head = But with hate comes respect, past history demands it so. It would be a sad day when the passion and tribal rivalry is no longer. We might as well chuck it in.
Don't think your too big a club, learn the lessons from history and better to act now before its too late, we failed in the battle with the Glaziers cos we left it too late, I was part of all the IMUSA actions, but not enough of us cared or thought it would happen, the rest is history.
Hope you do buy the bloodly club
Heart = Lets hope Rafa is the man to fix the "Golden Thread" someone has to, if he is the man, make sure he stays, I would like to look forward to piping you to the title on the last day of the season, at Anfield, with a Ronaldo penalty, that never was.
What joy
I expect you would like to do the same, but not at the moment lads I am sad to say, our joy, whosever, will have to wait.
If any of you lot don't understand the true meaning of this post, then ask an adult.
Enough said I think
Then he goes on to say
To answer some of your comments lads & lasses
I came on this board after reading comments on our own Red Issue forum, like "Scousers suicidal" thought I would have a peek and a giggle at your mood.
After reading, it brought back all the bad history we went through, also, whats happening to this game we all love and need.
Let me just say this, my time goes back to the original red army years and yes, plenty of you have had a few slaps from yours truly, always at Anfield though, and I've had plenty back in return big time, I got my last kicking by you lot, outside the Valley Pub after the Goldie Locks [Forlan] match going back to Lime street.
So I ant no soft touch or angel for matter, but like a lot of the older lot, if your not up for it, you don't get it, that's the rule.
We all know its the younger element who give it out when its not due, its the same with all fans.
I've seen plenty of United bking and stopping our younger lot when they have shown no respect, its not the United way, even when its scousers ok.
Most Mancs will say the there is no difference between us and you other than we can speak properly ok.
Fair play to you lot, when me and a mate got two tickets from a Scouse mate [season ticket holder] for the old stand [Kop is on your left] there is a bar called the "Champions Bar" back of the stand, I think it was 2003-04 season, Pinocchio was your manager, you won 3-1, Reisser scored a cracker from a free-kick[dubious] when we scored, I did what I promised my scouse mate I would do, we both jumped up, cue, thousands of scousers screaming at us.
Down comes a steward and says your out, which I says "not a chance, I said [oops] all when you scored" which made the locals [oops] themselves, so he goes and gets a big sargent dibble to throw us out.
Fair play, all the scousers around us told him to let us stay [apart from my scouse mate] so he agreed, just stood in a nearby gangway watching us, if I remember right, that was before half time, cos we even went to the bar, although everyone knew who we was, no mither either. [obviously this isnt the kop]
Of course, everyone wanted us to stay, cos it was obvious we were going to get nothing out of the game and everyone around us just wanted to have a token manc to take the [oops] out of, which they did, non [oops] stop.
Even shock hands with the merciless [oops] after and most of these lads were no soft touch.
Full in your face hatred, wouldn't have it any other way, funny thing, me and my mate said, [oops] hell, you wouldn't get away with that in the K stand, stewards at OT don't allow it, maybe we have lost even more than we think regarding the true footie experience.
Who is Armstrong you ask, that Aussie Keagan lookalike, who invented them new boots, his names not Armstrong I take it, [oops] me, I still probably know more of your history than some of your newer fans ok.
Vie even got inside your famous bootroom, another Pinnoccio match, blagged an invite after the game through a contact, met the big nosed [oops] and the dwarf, ended up having a frank exchange of views with both of em, deadly silence all around, even those actors of the royal family were there.
After which he says, fair play you got balls for a United to come in here and talk it up, but you deffinetly know your football, cos I told him, Owen got MOTM cos he scored, but Hamman should have cos he stopped Uniteds midfield, kept our shots to a distance.
He agreed with me and then invited me back to the next CL game, into the dressing room before the match as his guest, cos he says United will be out of Europe next match, so I can watch the CL here.
To which I replied, thanks a lot, respect for that, but if you think I could stand it in here more than once in a lifetime your mistaken.
True story,
sorry if Vie desecrated the holy land lads, but great fun and the same place where Shankly plotted the downfall of Revies Leeds etc: [he didnt bother with us, he didn't need to] you would have done the same.
Fair play again, my mate said after we left, don't think we would ever get into Uniteds dressing room, and as for SAF having a tactical argument with us, the club would probably ban us, no chance if you were a scouser,
So there are reasons why I have some respect to go along with the hatred, proper football clubs do as the story I told, for the record Tommo was a sound fella.
As for the comments, we are too big for us to go down, weren't United too big, weren't Leeds, anyone who believes that must be a JCL [Jonny Come Lately] fan, who would soon [oops] off and support Wigan if it happened.
Same people calling for Raffa head, put pressure on the owners, needing a quick fix, United held their nerve with Fergie, only because of his track record and the backing of Busby.
I [oops] wish Fergie was as successful as Raffa in his first 4 years, I would have settled for that, 3 stars by now.
The "Golden Thread" cant be fixed in five minutes, you lot surprise me, never thought of you being fickle, Raffa would have been better of winning [oops] all, then winning the league when he was good and ready.
Look at his track record, where you going to get someone that much better, don't turn into the Barcodes, it would be no fun for us.
They never had a "Golden Thread" now they are just desperate, sad Geordie [oops]
Chelsea fans are scared too death that their moment of Glory has now gone.
Me personally, we don't have to win another thing, everything's a bonus.
If you got of Raffas back and the players, maybe they would play without FEAR, cos that's the main problem, too scared to lose, your squad on paper is as good, it must be, teams that keep drawing matches are scared to lose.
Let me quote a man who knew a thing or two about playing football
The “Manchester United Way”
"There is nothing wrong with trying to win, so long as you don't set the prize above the game.
There is no dishonour in defeat, so long as you play to the limit of your strength and skill.
What matters above all is that the game should be played in the right spirit, with the utmost resource of skill and courage, with fair play and no favour, with every man playing as a member of the team, the result accepted without bitterness or conceit."
Sir Matt Busby
1909 - 1994
Not a bad bit of advice there lads
Before anyone says out, Busby is the reason that Shankly joined Liverpool, fact, if you know your history
Also, I agree with several scouse mates that Paisley should also have been knighted Ok
Feel free to agree with the post or hurl abuse, its a lot less painful than a kicking in SP
Enough said
Lessons from History, that's why its important, it teaches us, if we listen.
After browsing your forum, I was a bit shocked as to the current mood, seems to me that you all live in basically two camps.
Those that are realistic and those that believe your past glories are relevant to today.
Before we start, I would like to say that I will write this from both my Head and from my Heart, cos that's the two basic conflicts we all have every day of our lives, for those of you that don't want to listen, delete it, for the others, you only have to listen, you don't have to agree.
History Lesson
Heart = It was only 6 years after United won the European Cup 1968, that I was still making banners with my mates, "Pride of all Europe" for the Stretty Tunnel. The same year we got relegated, broke my [oops] heart, only 16 years old. How the [oops] did that happen, at that time I had no idea that could happen to us, impossible, the scars have never left me to this day.
Head = Too young to understand, we had been in decline for the last 5 years, no succession plans for either the old manager or aging stars, the Golden Thread was broken and there was no one able to tie it back again.
So started the years in the wilderness, frustrating, underachieving, but past Glories keep us alive.
Then we entered the years of the Liverpool Age.
Heart = They wont win it this year again, they were jammy [oops] to win Old Big Ears [European Cup for the younger ones]
Keagans gone to Germany and Tossack is a babyline [oops] with no one play with, scousers are finished.
Shankly has gone, now they are [oops].
Who the hell is this Paisley chap, were did he come from, never heard of him before, more L-Titles and another tin of brasso to clean Old Big Ears again. For [oops] sake, when will this ever end.
What did we get, 1977 FA Cup final, cost me 50 quid to get in, great day, but didnt last long enough, next morning it was history.
Fagan, he must be the old tea-boy or something, now the scousers are finished, not a chance, another top manager, I thought you had invented cloning or something, these were all clones of Shankly, it could go on like the Holy Roman Empire for a Thousand Years.
Rush, Kennedy, Hughes, Dalglish, Armstrong, never heard of em till they put on Red shirt, where did you get em from, we thought it was an FA conspiracy, only letting us buy the likes of Ted Macdougal, FA [oops].
The pain was terrible, we planned to invade MerseySide and burn it down, it worked against the Romans so why not you lot.
Head = You had the "Golden Thread" which was never broken, each new manager kept it tied, never broke it and passed it on intact.
When it got broken, which it is, you know it is, my guess is during Dalglish, that a whole another topic for you all I guess.
Heart = For over 10 years, a Scouser Skip-Lorry driver with a great big [oops]-off Liverpool banner in his cab, came to our works twice a week, he took the [oops] everytime he saw me during the close season, in order to get me to bet him a tenner, then twenty, I forget how much it went too, every year that we wouldn't win the league. Like an idiot, I always fell for the bait, you know the history, I never won, it was a banker for him every year. I bet with my heart.
What hurts the most is, that when the 26 years finally ended, I moved jobs that year and never got the chance of even a tenner back.
I have hunted for him ever since.
Head = 26 years before the "Golden Thread" was retied, that is a lifetime for some, an age for others.
No club is too big, past glories count for nothing, only in the memoirs of the fans to take with them to hopefully a better place.
United biggest problem is can our "Golden Thread" be passed on, cloning a reality now, so maybe old SAF could be cloned.
Bet you lot are wondering where Ranaldo, Nani, Anderson, Giggs, Scoles, Hughes, etc: came from, don't blame the FA.
Heart = Always wanted Liverpool to go though relegation like us and in today's commercial world, it is a lot more dangerous than when we went down, ask Leeds.
Maybe you will take 26 years to retie the "Golden Thread", [oops] hope so.
Head = If a proper Football Club like Liverpool was sent down, it might not come back, now that would be just another nail in the coffin of the game we all love.
Where else could I get my fix, not playing Wigan or Portsmouth or the like, give me Sheff Wed, Notts Forest, Burnley, Wolves, even Bristol Rovers over the money manufactured clubs that are starting to be the norm. Yes, United are a money machine, we know, but so are you.
Heart = I hate Liverpool Football Club and have never felt feelings like it, in my life when playing you lot, hope the feelings mutual, I expect so.
Head = But with hate comes respect, past history demands it so. It would be a sad day when the passion and tribal rivalry is no longer. We might as well chuck it in.
Don't think your too big a club, learn the lessons from history and better to act now before its too late, we failed in the battle with the Glaziers cos we left it too late, I was part of all the IMUSA actions, but not enough of us cared or thought it would happen, the rest is history.
Hope you do buy the bloodly club
Heart = Lets hope Rafa is the man to fix the "Golden Thread" someone has to, if he is the man, make sure he stays, I would like to look forward to piping you to the title on the last day of the season, at Anfield, with a Ronaldo penalty, that never was.
What joy
I expect you would like to do the same, but not at the moment lads I am sad to say, our joy, whosever, will have to wait.
If any of you lot don't understand the true meaning of this post, then ask an adult.
Enough said I think
Then he goes on to say
To answer some of your comments lads & lasses
I came on this board after reading comments on our own Red Issue forum, like "Scousers suicidal" thought I would have a peek and a giggle at your mood.
After reading, it brought back all the bad history we went through, also, whats happening to this game we all love and need.
Let me just say this, my time goes back to the original red army years and yes, plenty of you have had a few slaps from yours truly, always at Anfield though, and I've had plenty back in return big time, I got my last kicking by you lot, outside the Valley Pub after the Goldie Locks [Forlan] match going back to Lime street.
So I ant no soft touch or angel for matter, but like a lot of the older lot, if your not up for it, you don't get it, that's the rule.
We all know its the younger element who give it out when its not due, its the same with all fans.
I've seen plenty of United b
king and stopping our younger lot when they have shown no respect, its not the United way, even when its scousers ok.Most Mancs will say the there is no difference between us and you other than we can speak properly ok.
Fair play to you lot, when me and a mate got two tickets from a Scouse mate [season ticket holder] for the old stand [Kop is on your left] there is a bar called the "Champions Bar" back of the stand, I think it was 2003-04 season, Pinocchio was your manager, you won 3-1, Reisser scored a cracker from a free-kick[dubious] when we scored, I did what I promised my scouse mate I would do, we both jumped up, cue, thousands of scousers screaming at us.
Down comes a steward and says your out, which I says "not a chance, I said [oops] all when you scored" which made the locals [oops] themselves, so he goes and gets a big sargent dibble to throw us out.
Fair play, all the scousers around us told him to let us stay [apart from my scouse mate] so he agreed, just stood in a nearby gangway watching us, if I remember right, that was before half time, cos we even went to the bar, although everyone knew who we was, no mither either. [obviously this isnt the kop]
Of course, everyone wanted us to stay, cos it was obvious we were going to get nothing out of the game and everyone around us just wanted to have a token manc to take the [oops] out of, which they did, non [oops] stop.
Even shock hands with the merciless [oops] after and most of these lads were no soft touch.
Full in your face hatred, wouldn't have it any other way, funny thing, me and my mate said, [oops] hell, you wouldn't get away with that in the K stand, stewards at OT don't allow it, maybe we have lost even more than we think regarding the true footie experience.
Who is Armstrong you ask, that Aussie Keagan lookalike, who invented them new boots, his names not Armstrong I take it, [oops] me, I still probably know more of your history than some of your newer fans ok.
Vie even got inside your famous bootroom, another Pinnoccio match, blagged an invite after the game through a contact, met the big nosed [oops] and the dwarf, ended up having a frank exchange of views with both of em, deadly silence all around, even those actors of the royal family were there.
After which he says, fair play you got balls for a United to come in here and talk it up, but you deffinetly know your football, cos I told him, Owen got MOTM cos he scored, but Hamman should have cos he stopped Uniteds midfield, kept our shots to a distance.
He agreed with me and then invited me back to the next CL game, into the dressing room before the match as his guest, cos he says United will be out of Europe next match, so I can watch the CL here.
To which I replied, thanks a lot, respect for that, but if you think I could stand it in here more than once in a lifetime your mistaken.
True story,
sorry if Vie desecrated the holy land lads, but great fun and the same place where Shankly plotted the downfall of Revies Leeds etc: [he didnt bother with us, he didn't need to] you would have done the same.
Fair play again, my mate said after we left, don't think we would ever get into Uniteds dressing room, and as for SAF having a tactical argument with us, the club would probably ban us, no chance if you were a scouser,
So there are reasons why I have some respect to go along with the hatred, proper football clubs do as the story I told, for the record Tommo was a sound fella.
As for the comments, we are too big for us to go down, weren't United too big, weren't Leeds, anyone who believes that must be a JCL [Jonny Come Lately] fan, who would soon [oops] off and support Wigan if it happened.
Same people calling for Raffa head, put pressure on the owners, needing a quick fix, United held their nerve with Fergie, only because of his track record and the backing of Busby.
I [oops] wish Fergie was as successful as Raffa in his first 4 years, I would have settled for that, 3 stars by now.
The "Golden Thread" cant be fixed in five minutes, you lot surprise me, never thought of you being fickle, Raffa would have been better of winning [oops] all, then winning the league when he was good and ready.
Look at his track record, where you going to get someone that much better, don't turn into the Barcodes, it would be no fun for us.
They never had a "Golden Thread" now they are just desperate, sad Geordie [oops]
Chelsea fans are scared too death that their moment of Glory has now gone.
Me personally, we don't have to win another thing, everything's a bonus.
If you got of Raffas back and the players, maybe they would play without FEAR, cos that's the main problem, too scared to lose, your squad on paper is as good, it must be, teams that keep drawing matches are scared to lose.
Let me quote a man who knew a thing or two about playing football
The “Manchester United Way”
"There is nothing wrong with trying to win, so long as you don't set the prize above the game.
There is no dishonour in defeat, so long as you play to the limit of your strength and skill.
What matters above all is that the game should be played in the right spirit, with the utmost resource of skill and courage, with fair play and no favour, with every man playing as a member of the team, the result accepted without bitterness or conceit."
Sir Matt Busby
1909 - 1994
Not a bad bit of advice there lads
Before anyone says out, Busby is the reason that Shankly joined Liverpool, fact, if you know your history
Also, I agree with several scouse mates that Paisley should also have been knighted Ok
Feel free to agree with the post or hurl abuse, its a lot less painful than a kicking in SP
Enough said
Good post PR350. We are all indeed different sides of the same coin.
As a Liverpool fan myself I do shake my head at some of the delusional (eternally optimistic?!) fans saying this year is our year, every year! I have ALWAYS avoided doing this... until last season and just before Christmas where we were flying high. And then we had December and January and the dream was over for another year. C'est la vie.
Nothing wrong with dreams though, it's what following your club is all about. Every fan has a goal they want their team to achieve. Because of the (ancient now) history we have of success in the League, anything but winning the title isn't really good enough. OK we will settle for progress but at some point the fans will dream of an end product, another title.
I have to say though this decade has been pretty fking good, the League aside. Still plenty of silverware coming into Anfield.
As for this season, would be nice to think we can hit 2nd with Chelsea having a new manager and maybe needing time, and the Gooners looking very transitional losing some key talent. I hope to fk we bin the Barry transfer and stick with Alonso - Barry is good but imo not 18 million good - not at 28 years old with 2 years left on his contract.
As a Liverpool fan myself I do shake my head at some of the delusional (eternally optimistic?!) fans saying this year is our year, every year! I have ALWAYS avoided doing this... until last season and just before Christmas where we were flying high. And then we had December and January and the dream was over for another year. C'est la vie.
Nothing wrong with dreams though, it's what following your club is all about. Every fan has a goal they want their team to achieve. Because of the (ancient now) history we have of success in the League, anything but winning the title isn't really good enough. OK we will settle for progress but at some point the fans will dream of an end product, another title.
I have to say though this decade has been pretty f
king good, the League aside. Still plenty of silverware coming into Anfield.As for this season, would be nice to think we can hit 2nd with Chelsea having a new manager and maybe needing time, and the Gooners looking very transitional losing some key talent. I hope to f
k we bin the Barry transfer and stick with Alonso - Barry is good but imo not 18 million good - not at 28 years old with 2 years left on his contract.To be honest viva, your opinion of Liverpool is just as deluded as that fan's opinion.
His is obviously bks, Liverpool do not have the best midfield in the world, you need to have better wingers than Babel/Pennant/Bennayoun to even consider yourself up there, and if we are just focusing on the central midfielders then Chelsea and Man Utd both have an embarrassment of riches superior to Liverpool anyway.
Skrtel hasn't looked particularly impressive to me, Agger is decent but to say those 2 will only concede 12 goals is ridiculous, especially when you look at he mediocre full backs Liverpool they have, Agger and Skrtel are absolutely nowhere near the level of Ferdinand and Vidic, and also distinctly lagging behind Terry and Carvalho.
They're not going to win the league any time soon, they need at least 1 top winger and a full back close to the ability of Evra/Cole/Clichy/Sagna. I don't think they have anywhere near the depth of the top 2 either.
To say they'll struggle to get 4th and Everton and Spurs have arguably better squads is ridiculous though, and is the type of thing a rival fan with clouded judgement and a simple outlook might say. Everton have a very small squad, and nowhere near the quality of Liverpool's. A lot rests on Spurs' future dealings but there's no way they'll have a squad as good as Liverpool's.
His is obviously b
ks, Liverpool do not have the best midfield in the world, you need to have better wingers than Babel/Pennant/Bennayoun to even consider yourself up there, and if we are just focusing on the central midfielders then Chelsea and Man Utd both have an embarrassment of riches superior to Liverpool anyway.Skrtel hasn't looked particularly impressive to me, Agger is decent but to say those 2 will only concede 12 goals is ridiculous, especially when you look at he mediocre full backs Liverpool they have, Agger and Skrtel are absolutely nowhere near the level of Ferdinand and Vidic, and also distinctly lagging behind Terry and Carvalho.
They're not going to win the league any time soon, they need at least 1 top winger and a full back close to the ability of Evra/Cole/Clichy/Sagna. I don't think they have anywhere near the depth of the top 2 either.
To say they'll struggle to get 4th and Everton and Spurs have arguably better squads is ridiculous though, and is the type of thing a rival fan with clouded judgement and a simple outlook might say. Everton have a very small squad, and nowhere near the quality of Liverpool's. A lot rests on Spurs' future dealings but there's no way they'll have a squad as good as Liverpool's.
RobDickinson said:
Liverpool have the players to win the EPL.
They just havnt had the consistency or the results against the (other) top teams. if we cant get that right this year we'll be also rans , again.
You have two world class players in Torres and Mascherano, and two very good players in Gerrard and Alonso, and have now signed Keane. The rest of the squad is dross and wouldnt get anywhere near United or Chelseas team. You are probably 6-7 players at least away from winning the league.They just havnt had the consistency or the results against the (other) top teams. if we cant get that right this year we'll be also rans , again.
RobDickinson said:
Gerrard not world class? Wonder why Chelsea tried to buy him for years...
So 2 strikers that are top quality
3 midfielders
We've 2 central defenders that are class and the keeper isnt all bad either.
Manu are a 1 trick pony with Ronaldo.
Gerrard is a very good premiership player, on the International Stage he is poor and when he comes up against a good player he is outplayed Modric, Anderson and Fabregas all outplayed him last year. All younger with less experience. So 2 strikers that are top quality
3 midfielders
We've 2 central defenders that are class and the keeper isnt all bad either.
Manu are a 1 trick pony with Ronaldo.
Your keeper is a joke, see Old Trafford this season and your defence very weak, Carragher is slow and up against a good striker looks like a championship player, and whilst I do really rate Torres, he struggled to score away from home, and when he came up against Ferdinand and Vidic he was made to look very average.
1 Trick Pony? We have world class players in Tevez, Rooney, Ferdinand, Hargreaves,Van Der Saar and Evra. Serious youth quality in Anderson, and Nani, very good premiership players in Vidic, Carrick, Scholes and Brown. Thats why when you came to OT you were played off the park.
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