islamic militants bomb christian church in nigeria..
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Another day another terrorist attack.
I've got to the stage recently where I fear that eventually these fanatics will get what they want due to the simple fact that they simply murder everyone and anyone that stands in their way.
None of this negotiating or live and let live attitude for the hardline Islamic nutters just simply cold blooded murder of each and every other religion until they rule the world, have sharia law and we all go back to living in caves.
Why have they gained such a foothold in the modern world? Do followers really want to live like that?
Savages is all they are. Imo
I've got to the stage recently where I fear that eventually these fanatics will get what they want due to the simple fact that they simply murder everyone and anyone that stands in their way.
None of this negotiating or live and let live attitude for the hardline Islamic nutters just simply cold blooded murder of each and every other religion until they rule the world, have sharia law and we all go back to living in caves.
Why have they gained such a foothold in the modern world? Do followers really want to live like that?
Savages is all they are. Imo
Savages indeed. Both sides tend to be as bad as each other there, to be honest. To be fair, it is more regional conflict, with one group one religion, and the other another. Religion isn't the cause of the conflict, nor the driving force. Resources are. However, I have no doubt that it is an effective tool.
Edited by TheHeretic on Monday 26th December 12:00
And the christians murdered and persecuted in Egypt? and 5 a day average muders in thailand? chiritans mudered and persectued in Pakistan/Iraq/Afganistan?
sure nothing to do with the book they worship saying anyone who isnt a muslim is an infidel who must have their throats cut.
I this country 4 NHS eye surgeons were reprimanded for threatening another eye surgeon who had converted to christianity. how are rescourses involved in that one then? I don't think eye surgeons are paid peanuts.
sure nothing to do with the book they worship saying anyone who isnt a muslim is an infidel who must have their throats cut.
I this country 4 NHS eye surgeons were reprimanded for threatening another eye surgeon who had converted to christianity. how are rescourses involved in that one then? I don't think eye surgeons are paid peanuts.
Whoa there Pesty. My views on religion are well documented on here. I am merely saying, (as someone who spend a fair amount of time in Nigeria), that this is a tribal thing, not a religious thing, they just happen to be different religions. Other countries will have different reasons, I am just talking about Nigeria.
sorry I imagined the word 'nothing' in your post.
Having recently visited Africa and witnessed first hand the mentality there I'm sure there is a lot of substance in your post.
I have no doubt that they are encouraged by their beliefs though.
Having recently visited Africa and witnessed first hand the mentality there I'm sure there is a lot of substance in your post.
I have no doubt that they are encouraged by their beliefs though.
Edited by Pesty on Monday 26th December 12:53
Pesty said:
sorry I imagined the word 'nothing' in you're post.
Having recently visited Africa and witnessed first hand the mentality their I'm sure there is a lot of substance in you're post.
I have no doubt that they are encouraged by their beliefs though.
It is an incredibly fHaving recently visited Africa and witnessed first hand the mentality their I'm sure there is a lot of substance in you're post.
I have no doubt that they are encouraged by their beliefs though.
ked up place.Jasandjules said:
Anyone who kills due to an imaginary friend should face life imprisonment in the mental asylum.
Abslo - bloomin' - lutely!I am not 'wired' that way, so find it difficult to comprehend why they do it - am sure some are 'wired' to be more tribal, whether it's football, race or religion - they MUST belong to a group, and kill for the [ill] percieved greater 'good' of their particular group/cult. It's mad!
Muntu said:
TheHeretic said:
Both sides tend to be as bad as each other there, to be honest.
Actually, no, they don't.http://www.google.com/search?q=religious+violence+...
TheHeretic said:
Muntu said:
TheHeretic said:
Both sides tend to be as bad as each other there, to be honest.
Actually, no, they don't.http://www.google.com/search?q=religious+violence+...
MX7 said:
Of course there are religious clashes, often over non-religious issues, but can you find a Christian group who hold similarly extreme beliefs to Boko Haram?
Have you read my posts?So just to clarify, my post saying that religion is merely a tribal thing in this case, not the cause, has been completely ignored? Does the fact that both sides are violent to each other have anything whatsoever to do with the specific beliefs of Bomo Haram?
You're off on a tangent based on things I did not say.
TheHeretic said:
Have you read my posts?
So just to clarify, my post saying that religion is merely a tribal thing in this case, not the cause, has been completely ignored? Does the fact that both sides are violent to each other have anything whatsoever to do with the specific beliefs of Bomo Haram?
You're off on a tangent based on things I did not say.
Yeah, I read your posts. I'm not ignoring it, but I fail to see how you can downgrade it to purely a tribal conflict when Boko Haram, an Islamic organisation, bomb Christian churches on Christmas day, while making all sorts of anti-Christian demands, and oppose democracy and free education. So just to clarify, my post saying that religion is merely a tribal thing in this case, not the cause, has been completely ignored? Does the fact that both sides are violent to each other have anything whatsoever to do with the specific beliefs of Bomo Haram?
You're off on a tangent based on things I did not say.
Just because two groups clash, it doesn't mean that they are equally oppressive.
MX7 said:
Yeah, I read your posts. I'm not ignoring it, but I fail to see how you can downgrade it to purely a tribal conflict when Boko Haram, an Islamic organisation, bomb Christian churches on Christmas day, while making all sorts of anti-Christian demands, and oppose democracy and free education.
Just because two groups clash, it doesn't mean that they are equally oppressive.
I never said anything about any side being worse than the other, merely that both sides are as bad as each other. Nigeria is having big problems with witch hunters, and all that horrible jazz, on top of other things. Attacks between the 2 are a daily problem. Just because two groups clash, it doesn't mean that they are equally oppressive.
You really don't need to tell me how crappy certain aspects of religion are. Head over to the 'Heaven is a fairy tale" thread if you want to discuss those things. Either way, they are attacking each other, and innocent people are dying. Arguing about who was more wrong seems like a moot point.
TheHeretic said:
I never said anything about any side being worse than the other, merely that both sides are as bad as each other.
I know, and I think you are wrong. I think there is an oppressor and an oppressed. Boko Haram operate with a zero tolerance to any other belief but their own, which makes them the oppressors.TheHeretic said:
You really don't need to tell me how crappy certain aspects of religion are. Head over to the 'Heaven is a fairy tale" thread if you want to discuss those things. Either way, they are attacking each other, and innocent people are dying. Arguing about who was more wrong seems like a moot point.
I'm fully aware of your beliefs, but that doesn't mean that they are equally culpable. I'm sure that in the Bosnian conflict there were clashes between both sides, yet only one said has ended up in The Hague, and that's because their views were the least tolerant and the most extreme. I don't want to discuss religion in general, as I find the whole thing tedious to the extreme, but I don't understand how you can dismiss them as 'all the same' when one group's whole raison d'etre is to object to the manner in which others live.
I NEVER SAID THEY WERE EQUAL!!! I never said they were all the same, and I never said anyone was the oppressor or oppressed. I said that in Nigeria, they are as bad as each other. Taking your example, the Islamists are butters. Granted, no disagreement there. However, the Christians are as nutty. Look at the reports of the child refugees who are fleeing the witch hunters, who like to burn witches, etc. look on liveleak for video evidence of it. You're running with a ball I never kicked on this one, I'm afraid.
Edited by TheHeretic on Monday 26th December 16:22
MX7 said:
TheHeretic said:
However, the Christians are as nutty.
MX7 said:
but can you find a Christian group who hold similarly extreme beliefs to Boko Haram?
k me... I've told you about the witch hunters, and the burnings and killing therein, and the child refugees. There is also the fact that the Christians do as much killing as the Islamists.http://www.google.com/search?q=nigeria+witchcraft+...
I've explained this. If you aren't interested, fine. Are we really going to start arguing about which 'nutty' is the nuttiest?
TheHeretic said:
fk me... I've told you about the witch hunters, and the burnings and killing therein, and the child refugees. There is also the fact that the Christians do as much killing as the Islamists.
http://www.google.com/search?q=nigeria+witchcraft+...
I know about the witches and the like, and I'm in no way trying to excuse that, it's mad as hell, but in relevance to this thread, which is about the Nigerian Christmas Bombings, it has no relevance. It's a dispicable and twisted act in it's own right, and a direct attack on people's beliefs, regardless of how stupid you think they are. I do too, but I'll die to defend their rights. Actually, fk me... I've told you about the witch hunters, and the burnings and killing therein, and the child refugees. There is also the fact that the Christians do as much killing as the Islamists.http://www.google.com/search?q=nigeria+witchcraft+...
k that, I won't. TheHeretic said:
I've explained this. If you aren't interested, fine. Are we really going to start arguing about which 'nutty' is the nuttiest?
Well actually no one said that A was "as bad as" B until the second post. Oh. You don't want to talk about A being nuttier than B, but it's ok to say that they are all the same?There's a group here that are, rightly, close to being proscribed as a terrorist group, so I guess the question is where they lie on the nutty scale.
I understand your opposition to religion, but I think that you are so opposed to it that you're blind to see the difference between A, B and C because you're all the way down at Z. That's not meant to be an insult, but I do think that your average athiest would see a difference between Boko Haram and a non-extremist group who are willing to let people hold thier own beliefs in a democratic forum, while letting them wear what they like.
I don't expect to change your opinion in any way, but I do think there's an important distinction between a group who do blow up churches on Christmas Day, and a group who don't blow up mosques on Whateverday.
Anyway, Happy Christmas from someone who is ony slightly less cynical than yourself, but a lot less vocal.
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