Branson: "Time to end the war on drugs"

Branson: "Time to end the war on drugs"

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collateral

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7,238 posts

220 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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Here

Pretty interesting stuff - Portugal decriminalised everything and, surprise surprise, seem better off for it.

0a

23,907 posts

196 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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Very interesting thanks, lots of comments as well below the article as well.

In my opinion, at the moment we pay billions of pounds to make a massive drugs problem for ourselves.

m3jappa

6,477 posts

220 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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As much as i personally do not like any of the 'illegal' drugs i do think they should be legalised,policed and taxed.

Pretty sure it would make everyones life easier.

I'm not sure why theres such persistence to fight such a losing battle?

JohnnyJones

1,737 posts

180 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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It's down to the yanks. Their zero tolerance to 'drugs' has made countries from India and Nepal to Morocco and Peru and many more enforce laws they don't really believe in in return for foreign aid.

(Awaits CIA death squad).

groak

3,254 posts

181 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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Last time (couple of years ago) I was in Lisbon the streets were swarming with junkies. Very visible and very bold and very keen to 'trade'. I'd guess those are the by-products of 'decriminilization'. I'd also guess 'global drug commissioners' do more stat-trawling than street-observation, but I'm happy to be wrong.

Mind you, I'm one of those who doesn't think Amsterdam benefits much from liberal drug policy, or that Christiania did much for Copenhagen either. Or that closing down the opium dens in Bombay has had a negative impact on Mumbai.

Maybe I shouldn't be entitled to an opinion, like people who don't support 'gay' culture.

JohnnyJones

1,737 posts

180 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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groak said:
Last time (couple of years ago) I was in Lisbon the streets were swarming with junkies. Very visible and very bold and very keen to 'trade'. I'd guess those are the by-products of 'decriminilization'. I'd also guess 'global drug commissioners' do more stat-trawling than street-observation, but I'm happy to be wrong.

Mind you, I'm one of those who doesn't think Amsterdam benefits much from liberal drug policy, or that Christiania did much for Copenhagen either. Or that closing down the opium dens in Bombay has had a negative impact on Mumbai.

Maybe I shouldn't be entitled to an opinion, like people who don't support 'gay' culture.
Are you arse? Genuinely?

RYH64E

7,960 posts

246 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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My drug of choice is alcohol, wine mostly with the odd pint of beer, and a drop of Scotch. The other type of drugs have never really appealed, but if others want to indulge then let them, imo. The war on drugs doesn't seem to have worked very well so why not face up to the fact, legalise and tax them. It's not as if we couldn't do with the extra tax revenue - win, win.

munroman

1,851 posts

186 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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Is one of the issues preventing this happening here is that there is a whole industry living off of 'the war on drugs', from the military, police, the legal profession, social workers and medics, as well as doubtless 'Big Pharma'?

I know that the draw of drinking lessened as soon as I turned 18, and it wasn't a 'bad' thing to do.

What we are doing isn't working, when living on Methadone is a lifestyle choice with no incentive to do anything useful for society then something has to change.

JohnnyJones

1,737 posts

180 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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JohnnyJones said:
Are you arse? Genuinely?
Sorry. Computer hijacked by young visiting relative. Shortly to be dealt with.

MartyPubes

900 posts

161 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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JohnnyJones said:
JohnnyJones said:
Are you arse? Genuinely?
Sorry. Computer hijacked by young visiting relative. Shortly to be dealt with.
Tell him if he wants to participate on PH he needs to pretend he's rich and lives in the country. Arse indeed....

BMWBen

4,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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groak said:
Last time (couple of years ago) I was in Lisbon the streets were swarming with junkies. Very visible and very bold and very keen to 'trade'. I'd guess those are the by-products of 'decriminilization'. I'd also guess 'global drug commissioners' do more stat-trawling than street-observation, but I'm happy to be wrong.

Mind you, I'm one of those who doesn't think Amsterdam benefits much from liberal drug policy, or that Christiania did much for Copenhagen either. Or that closing down the opium dens in Bombay has had a negative impact on Mumbai.

Maybe I shouldn't be entitled to an opinion, like people who don't support 'gay' culture.
Don't you see the same thing but in massively higher volumes in every town centre in the land on a friday night? Just our junkies are consuming a different drug?

normalbloke

7,511 posts

221 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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Legalise it? Tax it to death? Opens up the trade in smuggling to avoid the tax.
I'm also sure it would get interesting with workplace rules regarding attending whilst under the influence, and being able to test for it/prove it.

m3jappa

6,477 posts

220 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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normalbloke said:
Legalise it? Tax it to death? Opens up the trade in smuggling to avoid the tax.
I'm also sure it would get interesting with workplace rules regarding attending whilst under the influence, and being able to test for it/prove it.
Opens up the doors to smuggling? I'm not sure that would be a problem as such.

Testing for it in workplaces though is a difficult one, though should be down to the employer to allow what he wants to allow, same as booze really.

shauniebabes

445 posts

178 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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collateral said:
Here

Pretty interesting stuff - Portugal decriminalised everything and, surprise surprise, seem better off for it.
A common myth.

Its just as much a criminal offence to grow, sell, and import drugs as everwhere else. Anybody caught with drugs has them confiscated and is either given communtiy service or enforced medical treatment.

Portugals drug policy is based on getting people off drugs rather than the Branson policy of giving the poor and feckless free access and hoping for the best.

SpeedMattersNot

4,506 posts

198 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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Surely if drugs were made 'legal' it gives out the incorrect message to millions of people who wouldn't otherwise try the drugs ?




Edited by SpeedMattersNot on Wednesday 28th December 11:17

Use Psychology

11,327 posts

194 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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Why is that message incorrect?

SpeedMattersNot

4,506 posts

198 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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Use Psychology said:
Why is that message incorrect?
Sorry, edited.

Pints

18,444 posts

196 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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Use Psychology said:
Why is that message incorrect?
It makes it acceptable. Depending on your view, that would be seen as incorrect.

The_Burg

4,848 posts

216 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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normalbloke said:
Legalise it? Tax it to death? Opens up the trade in smuggling to avoid the tax.
Erm, not like there is no drug smuggling now? Most drugs are smuggled. All illegal drugs are untaxed and unregulated.

As most crime involves drugs at some point it would potentially not only be a revenue stream but also decrease many other seemingly un related crimes such as mugging and burglary.



groak

3,254 posts

181 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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Alcohol's legal and as far as I know its use/abuse/misuse is responsible for a MASSIVE amount of trouble and expense. Health trouble, domestic trouble, societal trouble, personal trouble both physical and mental. And an incalculable cost to Health Service, workplace etc etc etc. So we've got ONE Frankenstein. Do we want more?