Sir Ed Davey and the Post Office scandal

[86]

See Sir Ed is keeping his head down and just offered some pathetic words to wriggle out of his involvement in this tragic scandal. He was the Postal Affairs Minister at the time of the IT issues and clearly failed to ask the right questions and refused to meet Mr Bates . He should hand back his knighthood and resign as leader of the LibDems

[Blue62]

86 said:

See Sir Ed is keeping his head down and just offered some pathetic words to wriggle out of his involvement in this tragic scandal. He was the Postal Affairs Minister at the time of the IT issues and clearly failed to ask the right questions and refused to meet Mr Bates . He should hand back his knighthood and resign as leader of the LibDems

Surely the IT issues pre date his time in office? By no means am I trying to defend him, I don’t yet know enough of the detail to form a solid opinion, but Davey held office between 2010 and 2012, this scandal had been raging long before and still continues.

[krisdelta]

The investigations / private prosecutions went on from 1999 to 2015 give or take.

What questions, given the level of cover-up could anyone in any party have asked that would have had the house of cards tumbling down within Fujitsu, the Post Office and its legal advisors? It's taken 20 years to just start getting these convictions quashed and compensation paid.

[biggles330d]

It would be interesting to see the list of post office ministers through the period 1999 to 2015. Sure, Ed Davey was one, but there must have been several who were less than diligent.

[Blue62]

krisdelta said:

The investigations / private prosecutions went on from 1999 to 2015 give or take.

What questions, given the level of cover-up could anyone in any party have asked that would have had the house of cards tumbling down within Fujitsu, the Post Office and its legal advisors? It's taken 20 years to just start getting these convictions quashed and compensation paid.

That’s my limited understanding and while Davey may well have some culpability, surely the ghoul that is Pauline Vennells should be ahead of him in the list of those handing back gongs? Maybe the OP will be back to explain his/her reasoning.

[S600BSB]

Blue62 said:

krisdelta said:

The investigations / private prosecutions went on from 1999 to 2015 give or take.

What questions, given the level of cover-up could anyone in any party have asked that would have had the house of cards tumbling down within Fujitsu, the Post Office and its legal advisors? It's taken 20 years to just start getting these convictions quashed and compensation paid.

That’s my limited understanding and while Davey may well have some culpability, surely the ghoul that is Pauline Vennells should be ahead of him in the list of those handing back gongs? Maybe the OP will be back to explain his/her reasoning.

86, reasoning? Not usually her MO.

[DeejRC]

Any of the s who got gongs within the context of leading or being responsible for the PO during that timeframe should be stripped of the damn things.
If the OP will forgive the tangent here, one of the things which DOES terrify me about SKS is his promise of unleashing a tech and data revolution “using AI” across govt. The Administration of govt - by which I mean the mechanism of the Civil Service serving whichever colour was Executive - has an APPALLING track record in the rollout and application of IT systems. Utterly utterly woeful is an understatement. The idea that SKS thinks he is going to unleash anything like this and it suddenly be a paradigm shift of brilliance is ludicrous.

[S600BSB]

DeejRC said:

Any of the s who got gongs within the context of leading or being responsible for the PO during that timeframe should be stripped of the damn things.
If the OP will forgive the tangent here, one of the things which DOES terrify me about SKS is his promise of unleashing a tech and data revolution “using AI” across govt. The Administration of govt - by which I mean the mechanism of the Civil Service serving whichever colour was Executive - has an APPALLING track record in the rollout and application of IT systems. Utterly utterly woeful is an understatement. The idea that SKS thinks he is going to unleash anything like this and it suddenly be a paradigm shift of brilliance is ludicrous.

From her previous posts, I believe 86 is a huge supporter of replacing civil servants with AI.

[Countdown]

S600BSB said:

Blue62 said:

krisdelta said:

The investigations / private prosecutions went on from 1999 to 2015 give or take.

What questions, given the level of cover-up could anyone in any party have asked that would have had the house of cards tumbling down within Fujitsu, the Post Office and its legal advisors? It's taken 20 years to just start getting these convictions quashed and compensation paid.

That’s my limited understanding and while Davey may well have some culpability, surely the ghoul that is Pauline Vennells should be ahead of him in the list of those handing back gongs? Maybe the OP will be back to explain his/her reasoning.

86, reasoning? Not usually her MO.

I'm shocked he didn't suggest it was Blair or the Labour Party at fault.

[86]

This article is one of many from last year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-125...

[Dingu]

A CC3 post criticising a non Tory. How surprising. If it was a Tory in that post I’m sure there would have been a different spin

[turbobloke]

S600BSB said:

Blue62 said:

krisdelta said:

The investigations / private prosecutions went on from 1999 to 2015 give or take.

What questions, given the level of cover-up could anyone in any party have asked that would have had the house of cards tumbling down within Fujitsu, the Post Office and its legal advisors? It's taken 20 years to just start getting these convictions quashed and compensation paid.

That’s my limited understanding and while Davey may well have some culpability, surely the ghoul that is Pauline Vennells should be ahead of him in the list of those handing back gongs? Maybe the OP will be back to explain his/her reasoning.

86, reasoning? Not usually her MO.

While personal angles are your MO, as above. There's no reasoning in sight from you either ^ irony strikes again.

Davey is one of a line of knee-deep individuals, there's no reason not to include him as an example.

[wc98]

DeejRC said:

Any of the s who got gongs within the context of leading or being responsible for the PO during that timeframe should be stripped of the damn things.
If the OP will forgive the tangent here, one of the things which DOES terrify me about SKS is his promise of unleashing a tech and data revolution “using AI” across govt. The Administration of govt - by which I mean the mechanism of the Civil Service serving whichever colour was Executive - has an APPALLING track record in the rollout and application of IT systems. Utterly utterly woeful is an understatement. The idea that SKS thinks he is going to unleash anything like this and it suddenly be a paradigm shift of brilliance is ludicrous.

I try not to comment on this topic too much as it is something that really does enrage me to the point that if i said what i really think it wouldn't just be a ban from here but a knock on my door from the Police. If any of those that had been jailed or committed suicide as a result of this debacle had been my parents i would be doing life at the moment. It's an utter disgrace and makes a mockery of not only the supposed superior justice system in the UK but every single check and balance that is supposed to take place in the way this country is run.

The people that are responsible are in the same bracket as Pol Pot and Hitler for me and they should be hunted with every resource available and jailed for the rest of their lives. How supposedly intelligent people employed at the levels we are talking about can get away with buck passing, blame shifting and a complete lack of taking responsibility for their actions i have no idea, yet another example of people getting high enough up the gravy train in this country where they become teflon.

[Gareth79]

Blue62 said:

86 said:

See Sir Ed is keeping his head down and just offered some pathetic words to wriggle out of his involvement in this tragic scandal. He was the Postal Affairs Minister at the time of the IT issues and clearly failed to ask the right questions and refused to meet Mr Bates . He should hand back his knighthood and resign as leader of the LibDems

Surely the IT issues pre date his time in office? By no means am I trying to defend him, I don’t yet know enough of the detail to form a solid opinion, but Davey held office between 2010 and 2012, this scandal had been raging long before and still continues.

It predates him by a decade, but at that time there were still many unanswered questions and it should have been obvious to all ministers in office at that time that something was wrong, and that the Post Office's handling (as an organisation) from the outset was fundamentally obstructive and dishonest.

Also an interesting twitter post from last night:

"Scoop: Public inquiry into the Post Office scandal has obtained covert recordings of senior staff including Paula Vennells. Approx 80 tapes could be “damning”, an inquiry source tells me."
https://twitter.com/TomWitherow/status/17430183387...

[sugerbear]

Maybe Simon Blagden (ex Fujitsu) who donated ££ to the conservatives and also ended up with a CBE and a nice government job might like to hand back his CBE and the tories might like to donate the money they received from him to those convicted of

The Rt Hon Norman Lamb 2 years in post after Sir Ed Davey
Or Jo Swinson
or Jenny Wilmot.

They are all Lib dems.

Makes you wonder if the conservatives knew full well that giving these toxic posts to the opposition would be useful long term as they could gain some political points by pointing out that it was all the fault of the lib dems for not resolving the issue.

[eharding]

wc98 said:

The people that are responsible are in the same bracket as Pol Pot and Hitler for me

Postman Pol Pat and his black and white Nazi cat?

[DeejRC]

sugerbear said:

Maybe Simon Blagden (ex Fujitsu) who donated ££ to the conservatives and also ended up with a CBE and a nice government job might like to hand back his CBE and the tories might like to donate the money they received from him to those convicted of

The Rt Hon Norman Lamb 2 years in post after Sir Ed Davey
Or Jo Swinson
or Jenny Wilmot.

They are all Lib dems.

Makes you wonder if the conservatives knew full well that giving these toxic posts to the opposition would be useful long term as they could gain some political points by pointing out that it was all the fault of the lib dems for not resolving the issue.

Come the glorious Revolution and my first day in charge - every single bugger who has ever been on the board of Fujitsu UK will be up against the wall.

[S600BSB]

turbobloke said:

While personal angles are your MO, as above. There's no reasoning in sight from you either ^ irony strikes again.

Davey is one of a line of knee-deep individuals, there's no reason not to include him as an example.

Thanks old man.

[Blue62]

turbobloke said:

While personal angles are your MO, as above. There's no reasoning in sight from you either ^ irony strikes again.

Davey is one of a line of knee-deep individuals, there's no reason not to include him as an example.

But Davey is not being held up as 'an example' he is the the object of this thread, started by a poster with a strange grip on reality, not dissimilar to your own! You talk about personal angles TB, we all do it at times and you're no different. Do you think Vennells should be ahead of Davey when it comes to handing back gongs?

[Southerner]

A Yahoo news article popped up yesterday, suggesting that the petition for Vennells to lose her gong has been swelled (not surprisingly) by the TV drama. Now surging towards half a million and well worth adding to, in my opinion. Admittedly it isn’t quite the guilty PO and Fujitsu criminals rotting in prison where they belong, but it’s a start.

News article here:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/petition-to-strip-ex-pos...


Petition here:

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-paula...