How to beat the EU?
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Found this link on another forum.
Very clever idea by german guy to get around the EU ban on lightbulbs over 60w.
I do like what he donates to as well. Going to help a good cause rather than a load of crap that cant yet be proven.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101015/tsc-oukoe-uk-...
Very clever idea by german guy to get around the EU ban on lightbulbs over 60w.
I do like what he donates to as well. Going to help a good cause rather than a load of crap that cant yet be proven.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101015/tsc-oukoe-uk-...
k you EU 
Globulator said:
thinfourth2 said:
herewego said:
If they get plenty of publicity they may help folk to understand why they are banned.
Why were they banned?Why were they banned?
I've never understood the throw out working stuff and buy new stuff to save the planet thing
The EU may well have banned 100w light bulbs - there was a hullabaloo in the news about a year ago. Then they disappeared after stocks in shops were sold.
Now, quietly, 100w have re-emerged. The German is wasting his time, unless it's stricter over there.
Go anywhere in the UK and you can buy 100w without problem.
Not sure what happened but hopefully it was a good fingers-up to the EU.
Now, quietly, 100w have re-emerged. The German is wasting his time, unless it's stricter over there.
Go anywhere in the UK and you can buy 100w without problem.
Not sure what happened but hopefully it was a good fingers-up to the EU.
dandarez said:
The EU may well have banned 100w light bulbs - there was a hullabaloo in the news about a year ago. Then they disappeared after stocks in shops were sold.
Now, quietly, 100w have re-emerged. The German is wasting his time, unless it's stricter over there.
Go anywhere in the UK and you can buy 100w without problem.
Not sure what happened but hopefully it was a good fingers-up to the EU.
I read somewhere that you could buy the 100w traditional bulbs for "worklights". Which sounds a good excuse, you wouldn't want to operate machinery for example without being able to see what you're doing.Now, quietly, 100w have re-emerged. The German is wasting his time, unless it's stricter over there.
Go anywhere in the UK and you can buy 100w without problem.
Not sure what happened but hopefully it was a good fingers-up to the EU.
I'll get my flameproofs on but since I use a fraction of the leccy with energy savers over standard bulbs, only paid pennies for them and don't need brighter than daylight in my living room or bedroom, I don't see the issue.
They illuminate instantly, don't buzz and I don't get headaches from them. Why the issue? (Apart from being given our orders by the great socialist engine that is the EU.)
They illuminate instantly, don't buzz and I don't get headaches from them. Why the issue? (Apart from being given our orders by the great socialist engine that is the EU.)
Pints said:
I'll get my flameproofs on but since I use a fraction of the leccy with energy savers over standard bulbs, only paid pennies for them and don't need brighter than daylight in my living room or bedroom, I don't see the issue.
They illuminate instantly, don't buzz and I don't get headaches from them. Why the issue? (Apart from being given our orders by the great socialist engine that is the EU.)
full of mercury and many people don't like the fact they take a while to warm up and emit a "poorer" quality of light. They illuminate instantly, don't buzz and I don't get headaches from them. Why the issue? (Apart from being given our orders by the great socialist engine that is the EU.)
Edited by jbi on Friday 22 October 10:17
Energy saving bulbs are fantastic. They use a fraction of the electricity compared to the old filament versions and are just as bright now. They also last much, much longer. I used to get through 7-10 bulbs a year on an outside garden light (which I have 4 of). Since installing energy savers 3 years ago, none of them have needed replacing - that's a saving of 28-40 traditional bulbs and no hassle having to change them in mid-winter.
I also use them internally in quite a few rooms except where recessed halogens have been fitted already.
Funny whenever anything new comes along be it a car design, form of transport or indeed any kind of change, the majority always throw rocks. It's progress and is already widely accepted and in a couple of years everyone is going to wonder why we didn't have these years earlier.
I also use them internally in quite a few rooms except where recessed halogens have been fitted already.
Funny whenever anything new comes along be it a car design, form of transport or indeed any kind of change, the majority always throw rocks. It's progress and is already widely accepted and in a couple of years everyone is going to wonder why we didn't have these years earlier.
^ They don't give a good spectrum of light which makes them unpleasant and headache inducing to read by.
Also, they're not nearly as efficient as made out. The makers lie about the light output and they use more power than stated (google power factor).
They exist because the manufacturers lobbied the EU for subsidies and a protected market.
Also, they're not nearly as efficient as made out. The makers lie about the light output and they use more power than stated (google power factor).
They exist because the manufacturers lobbied the EU for subsidies and a protected market.
Edited by supersingle on Friday 22 October 08:03
supersingle said:
^ They don't give a good spectrum of light which makes them unpleasant and headache inducing to read by.
Also, they're not nearly as efficient as made out. The makers lie about the light output and they use more power than stated (google power factor).
They exist because the manufacturers lobbied the EU for subsidies and a protected market.
Oh yes.Also, they're not nearly as efficient as made out. The makers lie about the light output and they use more power than stated (google power factor).
They exist because the manufacturers lobbied the EU for subsidies and a protected market.
Edited by supersingle on Friday 22 October 08:03
I had some so called "15 watt" energy savers. Guess what was marked on the base of them:
230 volt / 120 mA
They obviously think that the general public don't have any knowledge of maths.
^^ I think I agree with that, I'm certainly not convinced about the claimed equivalent light outputs.
I don't think it's a case of knocking progress though; we've currently got 6 installed in our house alongside tungsten filament, halogen spot lights and some fancy LED thingies and to be fair, they work well.
4x15w in a hallway replacing 4x40w bulbs & two outside where the slow warm-up to full performance isn't an issue and you can cope with a bit less light. But that's the limit, the lounge & dining rooms have dimmer switches so they're a no-go, the bedrooms & landing have fancy flower-style lights with candle shaped bulbs so these twirly things would look a real mess.
It just looks like a badly thought out strategy, lobbied by someone on the inside and grabbed by politicians wanting to "do something against climate change". Considering the environmental issues in the manufacture of most of the cheapies we're currently getting, it's a miss on most counts.
I don't think it's a case of knocking progress though; we've currently got 6 installed in our house alongside tungsten filament, halogen spot lights and some fancy LED thingies and to be fair, they work well.
4x15w in a hallway replacing 4x40w bulbs & two outside where the slow warm-up to full performance isn't an issue and you can cope with a bit less light. But that's the limit, the lounge & dining rooms have dimmer switches so they're a no-go, the bedrooms & landing have fancy flower-style lights with candle shaped bulbs so these twirly things would look a real mess.
It just looks like a badly thought out strategy, lobbied by someone on the inside and grabbed by politicians wanting to "do something against climate change". Considering the environmental issues in the manufacture of most of the cheapies we're currently getting, it's a miss on most counts.
It's all a scam and furthermore the energy-saving lightbulbs will be a disposal nightmare to come.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/search?q=lightbul...
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/search?q=lightbul...
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