Pension growth - any good?

Pension growth - any good?

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Gio G

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2,952 posts

211 months

Friday 1st March 2013
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Hi all,

Got my monthly pension valuation today and noticed that Year to date, my pension had grown by around 18.9%. Had some good growth recently in the last few months.

Is this something I should be pleased with given the current climate, or could I be doing better?

Horts

236 posts

152 months

Friday 1st March 2013
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Gio G said:
Hi all,

Got my monthly pension valuation today and noticed that Year to date, my pension had grown by around 18.9%. Had some good growth recently in the last few months.

Is this something I should be pleased with given the current climate, or could I be doing better?
Hi, I would be pleased, I am at 14% for the year against an assumed pension industry assumption that growth is 7% pa. So i would be very happy with shy of 19%!

-DH

DocArbathnot

27,131 posts

185 months

Friday 1st March 2013
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Gio G said:
Hi all,

Got my monthly pension valuation today and noticed that Year to date, my pension had grown by around 18.9%. Had some good growth recently in the last few months.

Is this something I should be pleased with given the current climate, or could I be doing better?
Sounds pretty good for 12 months. Does this include any contributions made?

AdeTuono

7,277 posts

229 months

Friday 1st March 2013
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Gio G said:
Hi all,

Got my monthly pension valuation today and noticed that Year to date, my pension had grown by around 18.9%. Had some good growth recently in the last few months.

Is this something I should be pleased with given the current climate, or could I be doing better?
That'll upset some on here; pensions are a st investment, apparently. (Mine's done a touch over 15% on a 'low risk profile' portfolio, FWIW)

ringram

14,700 posts

250 months

Friday 1st March 2013
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Most will be up ~10% in the last quarter.. wrap that in a SIPP or ISA and there you go..

Oh and add ~5% dividends tax free on top and then ask yourself why you would want to lose money to inflation in the bank.

Roo

11,503 posts

209 months

Saturday 2nd March 2013
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I think mine was up about 15% this year.

Got my IFA coming back round in a couple of weeks so I'll double check.

northandy

3,496 posts

223 months

Saturday 2nd March 2013
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Thats pretty good.

Just moved mine after i worked out one had only managed 7% over 3 years, not 7% per year.

My IFA had not even mentioned it when they looked at it. Time for a new IFA i think

Gio G

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2,952 posts

211 months

Sunday 3rd March 2013
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DocArbathnot said:
Gio G said:
Hi all,

Got my monthly pension valuation today and noticed that Year to date, my pension had grown by around 18.9%. Had some good growth recently in the last few months.

Is this something I should be pleased with given the current climate, or could I be doing better?
Sounds pretty good for 12 months. Does this include any contributions made?
Good point, if I take out contributions, only 12%...

ringram

14,700 posts

250 months

Sunday 3rd March 2013
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northandy said:
Thats pretty good.

Just moved mine after i worked out one had only managed 7% over 3 years, not 7% per year.

My IFA had not even mentioned it when they looked at it. Time for a new IFA i think
Why would they if they are taking 7% PA off you in fees?

TFP

202 posts

217 months

Sunday 3rd March 2013
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How can anyone on here assess how good a given rate of return is without knowing what the underlying assets are ?

And what IFA charges 7% per annum ????

ringram

14,700 posts

250 months

Sunday 3rd March 2013
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5% up front plus 1.5 PA isnt uncommon. So perhaps not 7% PA, but potentially 40% of any gains of the OP in any case.

pteron

275 posts

173 months

Sunday 3rd March 2013
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If you calculate the effect of 1.5% charges over the life of a pension plan, say 40 years, it is sobering - the charges reduce the final value by about 35%. That means you are giving your tax relief to the pension company.

My pension is in an e-sipp. Zero annual charges.

Mr Noble

6,535 posts

235 months

Sunday 3rd March 2013
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Well said.

I fell of my chair when I finally had a good look I to the performance of my pension over a 5 year period.

The charges the IFA company were taking was a joke. Would have amounted to a 4 bedroom house in the South East after 35 years!

So I now run my own SIPP in the Hargreaves Lansdown wrapper.

90% in one fund - the Vanguard Life Strategy 80% fund.

Simples.

DocArbathnot

27,131 posts

185 months

Monday 4th March 2013
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Gio G said:
DocArbathnot said:
Gio G said:
Hi all,

Got my monthly pension valuation today and noticed that Year to date, my pension had grown by around 18.9%. Had some good growth recently in the last few months.

Is this something I should be pleased with given the current climate, or could I be doing better?
Sounds pretty good for 12 months. Does this include any contributions made?
Good point, if I take out contributions, only 12%...
Still pretty good. Don't forget to take out the extra 20% income tax that's topping the whole thing up.

Roo

11,503 posts

209 months

Monday 4th March 2013
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ringram said:
5% up front plus 1.5 PA isnt uncommon. So perhaps not 7% PA, but potentially 40% of any gains of the OP in any case.
Blimey. Mine's on 1% PA.

ringram

14,700 posts

250 months

Monday 4th March 2013
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.. plus platform fee's, stamp duty, fund transaction costs etc, etc.

good luck with that..

CaptainSensib1e

1,435 posts

223 months

Monday 4th March 2013
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You can't really the asses how good thta return is without knowing what you've been invested in. Many high risk investments will have good spurts of performance, but will equally have some difficult patches.

If that's a relatively cautious investment I'd say its a great result, sadly not one you're likely to see every year!

Gio G

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2,952 posts

211 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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CaptainSensib1e said:
You can't really the asses how good thta return is without knowing what you've been invested in. Many high risk investments will have good spurts of performance, but will equally have some difficult patches.

If that's a relatively cautious investment I'd say its a great result, sadly not one you're likely to see every year!
You raise a good point - So the pot is invested in fairly risky (9-10 rated) funds - emerging markets etc.. If I take out the contributions made by me and my company, I reckon an overall 44% growth in the last 9 years.

RESSE

5,727 posts

223 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Nil contributions:

Growth from 03/12/2012 to 02/03/2013 up 10.5% (annualised rate of growth over this period 47.28%).

SlidingSideways

1,345 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th March 2013
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Is there an idiots guide anywhere on how to assess how your pension is performing?
All a Google search seems to provide is "How much you need to save" calculators from the various providers.