Legality of dogs without leads

[Elskeggso]

If appropriate measures were used to protect a dog who was on a lead from being attacked by another un-restrained dog, would the owner of the un-restrained dog be at fault?

[softtop]

probably

[Elskeggso]

It's just that something could have happened this morning which made me think, the dog wasn't in the company of it's owner either, I would think that is quite important.

[Tom_C76]

Dogs should be under control at all times. Whether that requires a lead varies greatly depending on situation, dog and owner.

[UncleRic]

I would like to think, that if the owner of a small dog (size of a cat, a standard sized small cat, not one of these big cats which are the size of a goat, or even a Lion sized big cat) was walking with said dog on a lead, and a big dog (size of a small horse, which would be about the size of a calf, about 4 foot high? Not a small horse like a dwarf horse which would infact bethe size of very small horse) decided to attack and eat (do dogs do this?) my dog, that I would be allowed to protect my dog in anyway I saw fit. Feet, sticks, shouty wife etc.

[AdeTuono]

UncleRic said:

I would like to think, that if the owner of a small dog (size of a cat, a standard sized small cat, not one of these big cats which are the size of a goat, or even a Lion sized big cat) was walking with said dog on a lead, and a big dog (size of a small horse, which would be about the size of a calf, about 4 foot high? Not a small horse like a dwarf horse which would infact bethe size of very small horse) decided to attack and eat (do dogs do this?) my dog, that I would be allowed to protect my dog in anyway I saw fit. Feet, sticks, shouty wife etc.

What size shouty wife?

[paprika]

fk that, legality of a dog in the back of an open back hilux without leads? Saw it this morning driving in a NSL

[softtop]

paprika said:

fk that, legality of a dog in the back of an open back hilux without leads? Saw it this morning driving in a NSL

Non Specific Location?

[Tiggsy]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

I would say yes - regardless of whether it is on a Lead or not.

AFAIK, having a lead is not a legal requirement, but having a collar on is.


UNLESS for working purposes I believe.

Thats my understanding.

Both my dogs have collars...dont even own a dog lead though!

[Reedy156]

When we are on the street our dog in on a lead, but when she is off the lead on the common or in the woods, I remove her collar as well (quick release so easy to put on and take off!) for fear of her chrging about and a stick/branch on the floor getting in the gap between and sticking in her!... so she has no collar when walkking in the less public spaces....

[UncleRic]

AdeTuono said:

UncleRic said:

Feet, sticks, shouty wife etc.

What size shouty wife?

I think she'd have to be a 'normal' sized (normal sized as in average. Not fat, skinny or muscle-bound. Average to a normal man with good taste, not a 'feeder' who likes his women on the 'larger' size.. think Blue whale, not a man who likes his women to be stick-thin with no jubblies either. Just make sure she has a cavenous gob, think basking shark and a voice that would make an air-horn seem quiet) to get the desired effect.

[philmots]

• sorry for bad spelling etc, bloody iPhone auto correct*

Ours only wears a collar when he's out, not round the house. Looks nicer without!

When by the road he's always on the lead, he comes off when I'm in the fields or woods though and goes straight back on when theirs other dogs about if I don't know them.

If I know the other dogs to be ok (he's a lab so ain't got a bad bone in him) then we both let them off for a charge about. Really good for him socially imo

Edited by philmots on Friday 10th September 14:33

[Smashed]

From experience yes.

My little brother left my parents back gate open whilst carrying something into their house and their rotweiler decided to go for a stroll. (brother thought the dog was locked in the kitchen as it normally is) rotty spots dog that absolutely hates him and generally tries to eat him everytime they go for a walk at the same time and of course went for it. So my parents had the RSPCA or whoever they are come to see if he was indeed a dangerous dog like the other dog owner said and rightly so.

All was fine though and my brother got a good slap round the ear by me (it's my dog).

[Jasandjules]

Elskeggso said:

If appropriate measures were used to protect a dog who was on a lead from being attacked by another un-restrained dog, would the owner of the un-restrained dog be at fault?

Yes. IIRC the Dangerous Dogs Act specifically mentions that a dog is "out of control" if it is off lead therefore if it attacks another dog whilst off lead then the person walking the dog is in breach of the Act.

[tenex]

paprika said:

fk that, legality of a dog in the back of an open back hilux without leads? Saw it this morning driving in a NSL

I realise the situation is completely different in a rural situation but if the dogs are trained at an early age there is no problem. I do it every day. Sometimes I have had up to 14 dogs in the back unsupervised.
However the legality is another matter.
Perhaps the only thing I can contribute to this thread is in my experience when a "loose" dog meets one on a lead it is usually the dog on the lead that reacts badly to the confrontation because it is frightened as it is restrained.It dosen't matter how mild mannered it is.
Take the lead off, if something is brewing, and 99% of the time the situation is defused. This is of course dealing with "normal" dogs but it is certainly worth trying in an appropriate situation.
If a chav rottweiler, or equivalent, was running loose here, I'd deck it and that certainly is legal.

[softtop]

tenex said:

Sometimes I have had up to 14 dogs in the back unsupervised.

Are you about 4' 8", walk with a big stick and are of Mexican origin?

[Mr AJ]

tenex said:

paprika said:

fk that, legality of a dog in the back of an open back hilux without leads? Saw it this morning driving in a NSL

If a chav rottweiler, or equivalent, was running loose here, I'd deck it and that certainly is legal.

[tonyvid]

UncleRic said:

AdeTuono said:

UncleRic said:

Feet, sticks, shouty wife etc.

What size shouty wife?

I think she'd have to be a 'normal' sized (normal sized as in average. Not fat, skinny or muscle-bound. Average to a normal man with good taste, not a 'feeder' who likes his women on the 'larger' size.. think Blue whale, not a man who likes his women to be stick-thin with no jubblies either. Just make sure she has a cavenous gob, think basking shark and a voice that would make an air-horn seem quiet) to get the desired effect.

UncleRic is my new favourite PHer.

[pad58]

Whats classed as a dangerous dog?

[ZesPak]

Smashed said:

From experience yes.

My little brother left my parents back gate open whilst carrying something into their house and their rotweiler decided to go for a stroll. (brother thought the dog was locked in the kitchen as it normally is) rotty spots dog that absolutely hates him and generally tries to eat him everytime they go for a walk at the same time and of course went for it. So my parents had the RSPCA or whoever they are come to see if he was indeed a dangerous dog like the other dog owner said and rightly so.

All was fine though and my brother got a good slap round the ear by me (it's my dog).

Funny how you make it sound like it's the other dog that was at fault...