Soldering Wire

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LeeHabbers

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117 posts

75 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Good morning.

I'm going to be doing an electrical repair on the wires going to the rear passenger door on my 2011 Corsa D in a few days. I have been told that soldering wires together can mess up the ECU cause of the voltages or something, how true is this?

Many Thanks
Lee

Byker28i

60,754 posts

218 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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ern no? You are applying heat not electrical voltages to solder wires

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I would just make sure that the soldering iron tip is correctly earthed.

Also, make sure the tip is sufficiently large to solder the gauge of wire. Not hotter - just having sufficient thermal capacity such that the heat doesn't get 'sucked' out of the tip.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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That's nonsense. It's just heat.

And you can't earth the soldering tip as it'll be earthed to mains whereas your car is earthed to the battery.

Very bad advice from someone that is. Solder away!

LeeHabbers

Original Poster:

117 posts

75 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Goody gum drops. I did think it sounded bks but just thought I'd check. I'll unplug the battery to be on the safe side.

Thanks
Lee

Buzz word

2,028 posts

210 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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The preferred method for car wiring is normally crimp and heat shrink. Some people are into some solder reinforcement but only within the crimp. You can get some nice insulated butt connectors with glue inside which make a good waterproof joint too.

Solder tends to be less preferred as it stiffens the wire where it stops being wicked along and caused a stress raiser when the wire moves. Depends how much you want to spend if you don't have the crimp tools and how fussy you want to be. I'm sure it will last a while either way. smile

mickyh7

2,347 posts

87 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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You dont even need an Electric Soldering Iron.
They used to just heat them up in a naked flame. Big fat Screwdriver looking thing with a wooden handle.
Metalwork Room at school 1973 !
What tosh is written by folk who guess and dont know!

Miserablegit

4,037 posts

110 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Ignore the fools above- you must take all precautions.
Car must be parked in line with magnetic north and you must ground yourself as below:


But seriously I think you'll be fine with a solder butt-splice - Be very careful how you google that.


anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Buzz word said:
The preferred method for car wiring is normally crimp and heat shrink. Some people are into some solder reinforcement but only within the crimp. You can get some nice insulated butt connectors with glue inside which make a good waterproof joint too.

Solder tends to be less preferred as it stiffens the wire where it stops being wicked along and caused a stress raiser when the wire moves. Depends how much you want to spend if you don't have the crimp tools and how fussy you want to be. I'm sure it will last a while either way. smile
Indeed - for wire that'll move / hinge, I'd crimp it.

I use the crimps that have heat shrink covering with adhesive inside. They are great. A crimping tool coesn't cosat much off ebay / amazon.

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GreenV8S

30,243 posts

285 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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LeeHabbers said:
I have been told that soldering wires together can mess up the ECU cause of the voltages or something, how true is this?
It's most unlikely to be a problem.

If you were using a 12V soldering iron which was badly designed and had a tip which was electrically connected to the supply, it could be a problem when soldering on circuits connected to electronics. Using a mains voltage soldering iron that's much less likely although still remotely possible in very contrived situations. For a gas / hot air soldering gun, obviously irrelevant since there's no electrical connection between the heat source and the joint.

Chris32345

2,089 posts

63 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I don't see how crimp connectors are any less flexible the solder
Id cut the bad section out and add a new section of wire slightly longer then what was removed then push the excess into the door/frame out the way

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

110 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Chris32345 said:
I don't see how crimp connectors are any less flexible the solder
Id cut the bad section out and add a new section of wire slightly longer then what was removed then push the excess into the door/frame out the way
Correct, you know the job

Crimped or soldered connections are both covered with adhesive type or standard heat-shrink and it's the heat shrink that takes vibration loads of the joints

When I was a lad...................

bluezedd

1,009 posts

83 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Sounds like the advice is from someone who doesn't have english as their first language, and they meant welding.

GreenV8S

30,243 posts

285 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Chris32345 said:
I don't see how crimp connectors are any less flexible the solder
The issue is that the solder can wick an indeterminate distance down the core. If it gets beyond whatever strain relief the cable has, that can lead to failure where the flexible wire meets the end of the soldered section. How likely that is would depend on how the joint was soldered. If you're experienced, use the appropriate amount of solder and don't overheat the wire, it's unlikely to be a problem. A novice could easily get it wrong. (Same goes for a crimped connection.)

227bhp

10,203 posts

129 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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I've never seen a soldered wire fail yet, i've seen dozens of crimped ones pull out and fail.

E-bmw

9,294 posts

153 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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227bhp said:
I've never seen a soldered wire fail yet, i've seen dozens of crimped ones pull out and fail.
My thoughts exactly, provided a soldered joint isn't where wiring flexes and it can be insulated I would use it all-day-every-day.

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

110 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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E-bmw said:
227bhp said:
I've never seen a soldered wire fail yet, i've seen dozens of crimped ones pull out and fail.
My thoughts exactly, provided a soldered joint isn't where wiring flexes and it can be insulated I would use it all-day-every-day.
Me too

Chris32345

2,089 posts

63 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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GreenV8S said:
The issue is that the solder can wick an indeterminate distance down the core. If it gets beyond whatever strain relief the cable has, that can lead to failure where the flexible wire meets the end of the soldered section. How likely that is would depend on how the joint was soldered. If you're experienced, use the appropriate amount of solder and don't overheat the wire, it's unlikely to be a problem. A novice could easily get it wrong. (Same goes for a crimped connection.)
Unlikely to happen as you'd have to get quite a large area of the cable hot for the solder to bond any distance down the cable especially under the Insulation

GreenV8S

30,243 posts

285 months

Tuesday 26th November 2019
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Chris32345 said:
Unlikely to happen as you'd have to get quite a large area of the cable hot for the solder to bond any distance down the cable especially under the Insulation
I'm not saying it's impossible to create a good soldered joint, just pointing out the possible pitfalls. Crimping is almost universally recognised as superior to soldering when done right, and part of the reason for that is the potential for wiring damage due to solder wicking beyond the joint.

E-bmw

9,294 posts

153 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Put basically both have positives & negatives to their use.

Most of these revolve around competent use of the technology.

There will be as many advocates for each as detractors.

Done correctly either will work well, done badly both will fail.