The demise of the Naturaly Aspriated engines?
Discussion
More recently on Piston heads there has been alot of support for the large capacity naturally aspriated engines but very little support for the smaller capacity turbos. I just dont see the reason for this?
At the present time with alot of investment going into alternate technologies and less and less new and useful ideas going into the oil industry it is clear to see that petrol prices are only ever going to carry on rising, with this in mind it seems that if the gasoline engine is to last it needs to become more efficient. Therefore surley turbos are a brilliant idea, they save a large proportion of fuel when off boost but give you the power of a larger naturally aspirated engine on boost!
Surley anyone buying a large naturally asirated engine at this point in time is probably making a very bad decision (unless of course you have money to burn, both through petrol and depreciation).
Anyone agree that turbos are the only way forward?
I give it 5 years before ferrari's and the like have turbos!
At the present time with alot of investment going into alternate technologies and less and less new and useful ideas going into the oil industry it is clear to see that petrol prices are only ever going to carry on rising, with this in mind it seems that if the gasoline engine is to last it needs to become more efficient. Therefore surley turbos are a brilliant idea, they save a large proportion of fuel when off boost but give you the power of a larger naturally aspirated engine on boost!
Surley anyone buying a large naturally asirated engine at this point in time is probably making a very bad decision (unless of course you have money to burn, both through petrol and depreciation).
Anyone agree that turbos are the only way forward?
I give it 5 years before ferrari's and the like have turbos!
nixon1905 said:
More recently on Piston heads there has been alot of support for the large capacity naturally aspriated engines but very little support for the smaller capacity turbos. I just dont see the reason for this?
At the present time with alot of investment going into alternate technologies and less and less new and useful ideas going into the oil industry it is clear to see that petrol prices are only ever going to carry on rising, with this in mind it seems that if the gasoline engine is to last it needs to become more efficient. Therefore surley turbos are a brilliant idea, they save a large proportion of fuel when off boost but give you the power of a larger naturally aspirated engine on boost!
Surley anyone buying a large naturally asirated engine at this point in time is probably making a very bad decision (unless of course you have money to burn, both through petrol and depreciation).
Anyone agree that turbos are the only way forward?
I give it 5 years before ferrari's and the like have turbos!
F40?At the present time with alot of investment going into alternate technologies and less and less new and useful ideas going into the oil industry it is clear to see that petrol prices are only ever going to carry on rising, with this in mind it seems that if the gasoline engine is to last it needs to become more efficient. Therefore surley turbos are a brilliant idea, they save a large proportion of fuel when off boost but give you the power of a larger naturally aspirated engine on boost!
Surley anyone buying a large naturally asirated engine at this point in time is probably making a very bad decision (unless of course you have money to burn, both through petrol and depreciation).
Anyone agree that turbos are the only way forward?
I give it 5 years before ferrari's and the like have turbos!
king EU, f
thinfourth2 said:
gr88 said:
turbo's only last 60,000 miles
Bugger i'd better go back 50,000 miles and fit a new one to the landroverMy own TDCi Mondeo lasted 108k until I sold it, mind you the random injector failure and failing fly wheel would have taken care of scrapping the car (around 2.5k worth of work for a £1k car)...
Going to try to stick to old cheap and easy to fix cars for as long as I can now. Injector for £250...FFS...
GroundEffect said:
I don't want turbo engined cars because of the noise. If you've ever heard a 911 Carrera drive passed you on full-chat immediately followed by a 911 Turbo you'll know what I mean. They sound like fast hairdryers.
I wouldn't really say a 911 turbo sounded like a 'fast hairdryer'. Nor a GTR, etc. They're still large 6 cyl engines just with added turbos.You might have a point with the VAG 1.4s however
nixon1905 said:
Anyone agree that turbos are the only way forward?
From an industry point of view trying to grab the politically correct figures yeah, from a drivers point of view no way, turbos are crap! Turbo cars are just so bloody boring once the novelty of the power has worn off, there is no sense of reward with them, you press the throttle and no matter what gear or rev range you are in they move, you just don't get that pleasure that you get from a nice NA engine as you work it through the rev range.
Turbos are fine for daily drivers and suit cars with an auto 'box, but I would prefer a NA engine in anything remotely 'sporty'.
I bought a 335i and after a month was bored, got it tuned and it was seriously quick, around 4.7 seconds to 60mph every time, however a couple of weeks later I was bored, then was leant a 330i for a couple of days and although far slower it was just so much more fun, so I sold it and bought another M3.
Don't get me wrong, the 335i was a technical masterpiece but it was a Autobahn Mile Muncher, one of the best Autobahn Mile Munchers out there, but nothing more than that imho.
Same with the RS6, B5 RS4, initally they are thrilling, but once you are used to that throttle and go jolt in the back what are you left with? Not a lot.
Golf GTi vs R32? I think the delivery of the R32 certainly keeps you entertained far longer.
911Turbo vs C2s? I would take the C2s every time.
I managed to get 38mpg over 2 days and 498 miles in that 330i, it is 272bhp and gets you to 60mph in 6 seconds which isn't too shabby at all, so I feel turbos are the easy way out to get the fuel economy figures, if they want to get the NA engines showing the figures needed I believe they can, just might be a bit more work.
killsta said:
I wouldn't really say a 911 turbo sounded like a 'fast hairdryer'. Nor a GTR, etc.
You might have a point with the VAG 1.4s however
Maybe slight hyperbole but I was really depressed when I heard a 911 Turbo go for it. Another example is comparing the new Pagani Huyuahraharhahhrhahhah with the old Zonda F or Cinque. Here's a comparison:You might have a point with the VAG 1.4s however
Cinque:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_y53_gYj1g
Huayra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2sDtA-Y0U
The Cinque sounds orders of magnitude better.
I've never really understood the hate for turbo engines. I love the tuning scope that tends to be available on turbo'd cars through remaps etc. Obviously it's sad that massive N/A engines are on the way out but I'm sure they'll still be available to those willing to pay enough for them.
gizlaroc said:
Turbo cars are just so bloody boring once the novelty of the power has worn off, there is no sense of reward with them, you press the throttle and no matter what gear or rev range you are in they move, you just don't get that pleasure that you get from a nice NA engine as you work it through the rev range.
This is spot on for me.But even so i fail to see how the large engines are still selling so well? I can understand why some people might want them, but surley 90% of the people buying these sorts of cars will not be bothered by the difference, and a manufacturer seeling a fast car (in terms of high powered saloon's) with a high mpg when needed would sway alot of these people?
If petrol costs to much, and you dont want a desiel, get a lower capacity petrol turbo!
If petrol costs to much, and you dont want a desiel, get a lower capacity petrol turbo!
nixon1905 said:
But even so i fail to see how the large engines are still selling so well? I can understand why some people might want them, but surley 90% of the people buying these sorts of cars will not be bothered by the difference, and a manufacturer seeling a fast car (in terms of high powered saloon's) with a high mpg when needed would sway alot of these people?
If petrol costs to much, and you dont want a desiel, get a lower capacity petrol turbo!
??If petrol costs to much, and you dont want a desiel, get a lower capacity petrol turbo!
Are you saying you think large capacity petrol cars sell well?
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