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or should i call them a nissan mulch
Anyway
I see that they are now down to 10K for a 2nd hand 2011 year model
I am starting to seriously think about buying one of these
What do we think the depreciation will be over the next few months as i don't need a daily driver at the moment as i car share with the wife but she might be changing jobs which means i will have to drive myself to work again instead of sitting in the passenger seat drinking coffe.
Anyway
I see that they are now down to 10K for a 2nd hand 2011 year model
I am starting to seriously think about buying one of these
What do we think the depreciation will be over the next few months as i don't need a daily driver at the moment as i car share with the wife but she might be changing jobs which means i will have to drive myself to work again instead of sitting in the passenger seat drinking coffe.
isleofthorns said:
They have to firm up at some point.... I see them as very durable. I haven't heard of anyone suffering any significant battery deterioration, despite many early cars racking up 30-40k miles.
Much rather an early leaf without battery lease than a new zoe with a lease...
Why would you want to buy a car that has a reduced battery life, which if/when it goes wrong you will need to replace at great cost, rather than paying circa £45 a month (guestimate from long term memory bank of renault ev costs) you could just call them up and have it replaced?Much rather an early leaf without battery lease than a new zoe with a lease...
Emubiker said:
Why would you want to buy a car that has a reduced battery life, which if/when it goes wrong you will need to replace at great cost, rather than paying circa £45 a month (guestimate from long term memory bank of renault ev costs) you could just call them up and have it replaced?
its £95 a monthAnd the whole battery doesn't have to be replaced you just change the dead cells
Low monthly running cost is the main attraction. I've forgotten how many cycles the battery pack is meant to be good for, but it's several thousand from memory. The mileage-life of the car is probably not much different to a normal ice car - so why pay a monthly fee if you don't have to?
Emubiker said:
Why would you want to buy a car that has a reduced battery life, which if/when it goes wrong you will need to replace at great cost, rather than paying circa £45 a month (guestimate from long term memory bank of renault ev costs) you could just call them up and have it replaced?
Emubiker said:
Why would you want to buy a car that has a reduced battery life, which if/when it goes wrong you will need to replace at great cost, rather than paying circa £45 a month (guestimate from long term memory bank of renault ev costs) you could just call them up and have it replaced?
Simple the cost of the battery at Renault is the same as running diesel in a decent car, so buying the EV gives no fuel savings, which is the main sales point....The cheapest lease for one year is £55 for 4,500 miles. So 375 miles per month for £55. You only have to beat 41mpg to make a diesel cheaper to run.
The 9,000 mile option at £67 is cheaper but still equates to 67mpg. 60+mpg is easily achievable in modern similar sized normal cars. Of course in both cases the cost of electricity needs to be added, making the breakeven mpg lower still.
So the point is that Renault EV running costs are only the same/slightly cheaper than running a normal car and hence the 'Run for Free on Electricity' implied simply isn't true. EVs only work if you can use the company tax or congestion charge savings advantages.
Use non-lease Leafs on the other hand will cost virtually nothing to run.
Leadfoot said:
What are the main differences between old & new model leafs?
The new one has:- optional battery lease (with lower purchase price)
- optional 32A 7kW AC charging - note: when you order the 32A charger, you don't get the regular 3 pin 10A charging cable
- bigger boot (they moved the AC charger to the front)
- 3 models available Visia, Acenta & Tekna (was only one model - which was close to Acenta for spec). Visia is quite basic!
- optional heat pump for cold weather efficiency
- optional heated seats and steering wheel - uses less electricity than the regular heater
- leather interior on top model (Tekna)
- lots of detail stuff like a light for the charging port
- firmer suspension for European cars
- Dark interior - depending on spec
- BOSE audio and 17" alloys on Tekna
Weight is reduced and the motor, etc is also apparently entirely new, but performance and (warm weather) range is very similar.
Bottom line: the heat pump and 32A charging are the big changes - but they are not on base models.
http://www.nissan.co.uk/content/GB/en/vehicle/elec...
http://www.nissan.co.uk/content/dam/services/gb/br...
So these are starting to look like they will make financial sense for a company car.
Would I be correct in thinking that if purchased a 2nd hand Leaf (With a battery) that:
It's 100% qualifiying as a capital allowance for my business.
No BIK private use charge.
If I charge at work that is free of BIK taxation.
If that's all true then as a 2nd car it's starting to look quite attractive in that situation.
If it cost 10k to my business then the real cost to me is more like 6k, with virtually zero running costs at 8k miles pa and no tax.
Would I be correct in thinking that if purchased a 2nd hand Leaf (With a battery) that:
It's 100% qualifiying as a capital allowance for my business.
No BIK private use charge.
If I charge at work that is free of BIK taxation.
If that's all true then as a 2nd car it's starting to look quite attractive in that situation.
If it cost 10k to my business then the real cost to me is more like 6k, with virtually zero running costs at 8k miles pa and no tax.
STURBO said:
It's 100% qualifiying as a capital allowance for my business.
Potentially not for 2nd hand cars - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/camanual/ca23153.ht...Simoted said:
I picked my Leaf this week. So far I'm loving it. Its the Acenta model with the 7KW charger. I'll be interested to see the costs/range over the next few weeks.
Good choice. Did you order the heated seats/steering wheel? I'd be interested to know what your realistic winter range is, with the new heater.My 2011 Leaf went past 40,000 miles today!
I didn't get the heated steering wheel on mine. To be honest I didn't get a choice on the spec as it's a lease car from work. So far I'm pleased with it for what I'm using it for. As for range.... The car says it will do about 80 miles on a fully charged battery. I'm not sure how far it is going in reality, although it's definitely not 80miles!. Obviously it depends how it's driven.
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