when do we get the iPhone 4 moment?
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that point of tech stability and functionality that makes it mainstream useful.
all new tech goes through the curve. to use phones as an analogy, early data on phones (Symbian etc) was just clunky, yet people could start to envisage a future with them once they worked. First iPhone used 2.5G, so it looked great, but didn't really do anything. 3S it matures and works. For me, the iPhone 4 & 4S defined the maturing of the modern phone, after these it was just on-going refinement. you still see the iPhone4 in use.
I want to buy an EV, but i don't need to pioneer. it not a thing of passion. currently it feels a little 3 or 3S.
I know it may not be far off, but i'd view such a car as a reasonably long-term ownership proposition and don't want to be left holding a Palm Pilot.
all new tech goes through the curve. to use phones as an analogy, early data on phones (Symbian etc) was just clunky, yet people could start to envisage a future with them once they worked. First iPhone used 2.5G, so it looked great, but didn't really do anything. 3S it matures and works. For me, the iPhone 4 & 4S defined the maturing of the modern phone, after these it was just on-going refinement. you still see the iPhone4 in use.
I want to buy an EV, but i don't need to pioneer. it not a thing of passion. currently it feels a little 3 or 3S.
I know it may not be far off, but i'd view such a car as a reasonably long-term ownership proposition and don't want to be left holding a Palm Pilot.
First smart phone I bought was an iPhone 4s.
I'm not sure what it was, but I just felt like I wanted one then. It was a revelation. Now couldn't do without one.
I'm sure the same will happen with EVs. A time will come, when it just doesn't make sense to buy a old style phone.
I've felt somewhat tempted by EVs of late, but not there yet. As long as I can still drive my ICE cars for fun, I'll be happy.
I'm not sure what it was, but I just felt like I wanted one then. It was a revelation. Now couldn't do without one.
I'm sure the same will happen with EVs. A time will come, when it just doesn't make sense to buy a old style phone.
I've felt somewhat tempted by EVs of late, but not there yet. As long as I can still drive my ICE cars for fun, I'll be happy.
CABC said:
I know it may not be far off, but i'd view such a car as a reasonably long-term ownership proposition and don't want to be left holding a Palm Pilot.
Unless your made of the money plenty of us current EV owners see our cars as longterm keepers.Comparing these cars to phones is tempting but really the right mindset.
I've done 30k in our current EV in just over 2 years, how many miles have you done in your combustion car over 2 years?
On the whole EVs are already good enough, especially if your a 2 car house hold. Things will get better it doesn't make current cars useless.
On the contrary, if your worried about a current EV looking dated in 5 years time, just how much worse is a brand new combustion car today going to look in 2025?
To spend ££££ on any new car is quite mad, but anyone buying a brand new combustion car right now need their head checking. If you want to compare it to phones it is really is like buying a Nokia handset just as smart phones were taking off.
I think we are already in the golden era as there's no VED to pay and there's not too much demand on the grid so electricity is cheap per kwh plus there's plenty of empty charge points around.
A similar analogy would be when I bought an Oppo Find 7 a few years back which was one of the first phones with 4g, the data throughput was great and I paid £12 for all you can eat data on the 3 network then 4g became popular and common place on new smartphones, my data throughput halved in London due to the extra users and 3 wacked the price up from £12 to £20 a month for the same plan.
In the very near future if EV goes mainstream then there will be per mile pricing instead of VED (the government is losing millions in revenue due to IC users becoming EV users) and the cost of electricity will rocket due to demand (especially in winter) plus it will be hard to find empty charge points.
A similar analogy would be when I bought an Oppo Find 7 a few years back which was one of the first phones with 4g, the data throughput was great and I paid £12 for all you can eat data on the 3 network then 4g became popular and common place on new smartphones, my data throughput halved in London due to the extra users and 3 wacked the price up from £12 to £20 a month for the same plan.
In the very near future if EV goes mainstream then there will be per mile pricing instead of VED (the government is losing millions in revenue due to IC users becoming EV users) and the cost of electricity will rocket due to demand (especially in winter) plus it will be hard to find empty charge points.
gangzoom said:
I've done 30k in our current EV in just over 2 years, how many miles have you done in your combustion car over 2 years?
On the contrary, if your worried about a current EV looking dated in 5 years time, just how much worse is a brand new combustion car today going to look in 2025?
To spend ££££ on any new car is quite mad, but anyone buying a brand new combustion car right now need their head checking. If you want to compare it to phones it is really is like buying a Nokia handset just as smart phones were taking off.
i have a few cars that individually do low mileage. i can see why someone at 15k pa would judge things over a shorter timeframe. anyway, it's not about individuals but aggregate demand.On the contrary, if your worried about a current EV looking dated in 5 years time, just how much worse is a brand new combustion car today going to look in 2025?
To spend ££££ on any new car is quite mad, but anyone buying a brand new combustion car right now need their head checking. If you want to compare it to phones it is really is like buying a Nokia handset just as smart phones were taking off.
i wouldn't buy a brand new ICE. but that doesn't address when is the best time to jump in to EV. my phone analogy was just to consider tipping points. it has one strength as it's not just about the device, but also the network. right now i think that's a limitation.
2020 is the year. Manufacturers have been holding back until the new emissions regulations start to bite. Significant new cars will enter the market next year - the Model 3 is already doing well, to which will be added the Model Y. We'll also see the ID.3, el-Born, XC40 Recharge, Corsa-e, iX3, Byton M-Byte, Mini electric, e-208, Rivian truck, and my personal choice, the Polestar 2.
It's coming.
It's coming.
CABC said:
it has one strength as it's not just about the device, but also the network. right now i think that's a limitation.
If your thinking of a charging network that will improve, and the more it improves the 'better' all EVs get, ones sold now, yesterday and in future.Waiting for the 'masses' to join in seems not the best move. Governments very rarely apply new regulations on to old cars, as mentioned before can you see EVs been VED exempt forever? Infact £40K+ EVs already have to pay some VED for the first 5 years. Free/discounted government funded home chargers now have to be 'smart', where as before they were dumb, so no way to tell if its your EV charging all night or you just have the electric heater on, new EVs even have to have a stupid low speed noise emitter fitted.
Even Tesla have stopped doing 'free for life' supercharging - not unless your ready to drop £70k+ on a S/X.
Things are already starting to change, the more people that buy EVs the more charges will start appearing. If you can afford to get an EV that suits your needs now, this is the time to get on board.
te wouldn’t be a good indication of mainstream success...We are right on the tipping point but, price and availability will be key.
e.g Kia Niro I think is right in the sweet spot of range v price. But...12mth waiting list.
EGolf in my opinion is a miss because of range.
Most mainstream manufacturers are about to release their efforts. I think in the next 2 years when availability is good and a second hand market emerges that will be that.
It will take a while though, I expect 10 years plus before EV is more common than ICE.
e.g Kia Niro I think is right in the sweet spot of range v price. But...12mth waiting list.
EGolf in my opinion is a miss because of range.
Most mainstream manufacturers are about to release their efforts. I think in the next 2 years when availability is good and a second hand market emerges that will be that.
It will take a while though, I expect 10 years plus before EV is more common than ICE.
Wasn't the iPhone 4 the one with the dodgy antenna? You didn't get any signal if you held it wrong, like the models in their promo photos were doing.
Or was that when they launched Apple Maps, a product so bad it could actually kill you?
I really hope current EVs are better than the iPhone 4.
Or was that when they launched Apple Maps, a product so bad it could actually kill you?
I really hope current EVs are better than the iPhone 4.
kuro68k said:
Wasn't the iPhone 4 the one with the dodgy antenna? You didn't get any signal if you held it wrong, like the models in their promo photos were doing.
Or was that when they launched Apple Maps, a product so bad it could actually kill you?
I really hope current EVs are better than the iPhone 4.
Yes but apple gave you a free case to make it work Or was that when they launched Apple Maps, a product so bad it could actually kill you?
I really hope current EVs are better than the iPhone 4.
On the same subject which iphone iteration was it where Apple ended up replacing the batteries for free due to the battery life being dismal after just two years?
Last time I went shopping there was a Mitsubishi PHEV in the sole charging slot (with no charger attached) and a Tesla parked in a normal bay next to it, the parking bay is free to use so there's no deterrent not to park in an electric reserved bay.
Last time I went shopping there was a Mitsubishi PHEV in the sole charging slot (with no charger attached) and a Tesla parked in a normal bay next to it, the parking bay is free to use so there's no deterrent not to park in an electric reserved bay.
.The only electric car that actually exists that I genuinely want to get behind the wheel of is the Honda E. That could be the perfect city car if it is as dinky and cool looking as it seems in pictures.
(and that will change if I see one in the flesh and it actually turns out to be huge).
Of the ones that don't exist the concept Lagonda looks sublime.
(and that will change if I see one in the flesh and it actually turns out to be huge).
Of the ones that don't exist the concept Lagonda looks sublime.
In Belgium at least I would compare it more to the purchase of solar panels.
My FiL bought a set over 10 years ago but it was heavily subsidized. He laid out about 6kwhp for 23k.
Earlier this year I got 11kwhp for 13k.
I don't think the cars will ever drop by 40%. In fact, spec for spec, the Model 3 is a relatively affordable car.
You have to do serious man maths to justify an e tron, ipace or Model S/X.
The biggest downside for a Model 3 is it's form factor.
The model Y will have a long waiting list.
I actually thought the other way around: What if I buy anything else and keep it for 5 years?
My FiL bought a set over 10 years ago but it was heavily subsidized. He laid out about 6kwhp for 23k.
Earlier this year I got 11kwhp for 13k.
I don't think the cars will ever drop by 40%. In fact, spec for spec, the Model 3 is a relatively affordable car.
You have to do serious man maths to justify an e tron, ipace or Model S/X.
The biggest downside for a Model 3 is it's form factor.
The model Y will have a long waiting list.
I actually thought the other way around: What if I buy anything else and keep it for 5 years?
ZesPak said:
In Belgium at least I would compare it more to the purchase of solar panels.
My FiL bought a set over 10 years ago but it was heavily subsidized. He laid out about 6kwhp for 23k.
Earlier this year I got 11kwhp for 13k.
I don't think the cars will ever drop by 40%. In fact, spec for spec, the Model 3 is a relatively affordable car.
You have to do serious man maths to justify an e tron, ipace or Model S/X.
The biggest downside for a Model 3 is it's form factor.
The model Y will have a long waiting list.
I actually thought the other way around: What if I buy anything else and keep it for 5 years?
What's wrong with the Model 3 'form factor'? I don't understand.My FiL bought a set over 10 years ago but it was heavily subsidized. He laid out about 6kwhp for 23k.
Earlier this year I got 11kwhp for 13k.
I don't think the cars will ever drop by 40%. In fact, spec for spec, the Model 3 is a relatively affordable car.
You have to do serious man maths to justify an e tron, ipace or Model S/X.
The biggest downside for a Model 3 is it's form factor.
The model Y will have a long waiting list.
I actually thought the other way around: What if I buy anything else and keep it for 5 years?
TTmonkey said:
ZesPak said:
In Belgium at least I would compare it more to the purchase of solar panels.
My FiL bought a set over 10 years ago but it was heavily subsidized. He laid out about 6kwhp for 23k.
Earlier this year I got 11kwhp for 13k.
I don't think the cars will ever drop by 40%. In fact, spec for spec, the Model 3 is a relatively affordable car.
You have to do serious man maths to justify an e tron, ipace or Model S/X.
The biggest downside for a Model 3 is it's form factor.
The model Y will have a long waiting list.
I actually thought the other way around: What if I buy anything else and keep it for 5 years?
What's wrong with the Model 3 'form factor'? I don't understand.My FiL bought a set over 10 years ago but it was heavily subsidized. He laid out about 6kwhp for 23k.
Earlier this year I got 11kwhp for 13k.
I don't think the cars will ever drop by 40%. In fact, spec for spec, the Model 3 is a relatively affordable car.
You have to do serious man maths to justify an e tron, ipace or Model S/X.
The biggest downside for a Model 3 is it's form factor.
The model Y will have a long waiting list.
I actually thought the other way around: What if I buy anything else and keep it for 5 years?
TTmonkey said:
What's wrong with the Model 3 'form factor'? I don't understand.
Should have clarified, the saloon isn't the most liked in Europe. For me I found it too small with our family of 4.
Funny, as my mom made do with a Golf 1. I guess that says more about me than the car though.
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