F1 in London

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gruffy

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7,212 posts

261 months

Friday 21st May 2004
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I half caught a news report this morning talking about an F1 demonstration in London just before Silverstone.

I'm sure Bernie (interviewed) mentioned wooing the necessary people into closing down the necessary streets for a London Grand Prix. Can we be looking at a Monaco style GP around the streets of London?

I hope so!

130tdi

1,153 posts

249 months

Friday 21st May 2004
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F1Live.com said:

Seven Formula One cars might power around London on July 6.

'The Guardian' newspaper reports that a demonstration-run in Regent Street to promote the British Grand Prix has been mooted by F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone.

''There's a good chance it'll happen,'' the Briton said in Monaco.

According to another source, the seven grand prix cars - driven by team test drivers - will represent the seven Formula One teams who call Britain home.

Only Ferrari (Italy), Sauber (Swiss) and Toyota (Germany) are not UK- based.

The move, therefore, has been interpreted by some analysts as Ecclestone - who owns the rights to the British GP - applying pressure for government support.

FourWheelDrift

88,823 posts

286 months

Friday 21st May 2004
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gruffy said:
Can we be looking at a Monaco style GP around the streets of London?


What?, another circuit with no overtaking on it, just like Monaco.

gruffy

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7,212 posts

261 months

Friday 21st May 2004
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Have I missed the overtaking on the other circuits then!?

FourWheelDrift

88,823 posts

286 months

Friday 21st May 2004
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More than there's been at Monaco in the last 50 years. Only wet races have had the effect.

Cars need space to overtake, big wide tarmac corners, not tight fiddly armco oppressed one way streets.

Eric Mc

122,345 posts

267 months

Friday 21st May 2004
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London is superior to Silverstone because its facilities are obviously a lot better

It's a typical Bernie inspired stunt. I doubt very much we'll see motor racing in the streets of London. However, using one of the parks might be a better option (Hyde Park, Regent's Park etc) but imagine the opposition there would be to such a move. Nope, this is just hype - as usual.

Did you know that it was intended to hold a motor race in Hyde Park just after World War 2 but it was vetoed by the Metropolitan Police.

FourWheelDrift

88,823 posts

286 months

Friday 21st May 2004
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I think Stirling Moss was invloved with one project, not sure if this proposed circuit from 1969 is his though.

williamp

19,328 posts

275 months

Friday 21st May 2004
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There is a law from Edwardian times proclaiming it illegal to race on the streets.

therefore highly unlikely (although there was the Birmingham F30000 race in the late 80's. i have often wondered how they got away with it.

Its unlikely for a number of reasons including:

-The pot holes would need to be filled in
-The Speed cameras would be set off
-Ken Livingstone
-Ken Livingstone
-Ken Livingstone
-Met police would be very interested in untaxed cars, uninsured driving without lights/horn/exposed wheels and without numberplates on the roads. F1 teams are rich, see and have lots of money,see, and speed kills, and...

Every few years the idea of a London race crops up, but it never happens (anyone remember Damon Hill's idea, based around Hype park???). I cannot see this being any different.

tubbystu

3,846 posts

262 months

Sunday 23rd May 2004
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Its more of a "promotional parade" up and down Regent St. 18:00 - 20:00 Tuesday 6th July.

It'll either eventually mean the British GP is safe or a kind of wake - miss it at your peril.

steviebee

13,040 posts

257 months

Monday 24th May 2004
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The concept of a GP in London is an intriguing one and one that I would love to see happen ( I actually think we need more street races in F1 - Pheonix, Long Beach - all threw up some great races).

Imagine the TV pics from the start - heading towards Trafalger Square along the Mall with Buck Palace in the background, sweeping right into Horseguards - would be a great place for overtaking too!

However.....it won't happen!

Road Racing is illeagl in the UK. The only way it can happen is for special dispensation to be granted from central government.

When they ran the Birmingham Super Prix, the event was sponsored by Halfords. The main man at Halfords then was one Dennis Thatcher who's missus happened to be in charge of the country at the time!....get my drift?

That said, anything's possible and i hear Howard is a bit of a petrol head!!

RichB

51,931 posts

286 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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I remember teh Birminham event but can't remember the details, was it for F1 cars? I seem to remember Senna driving in it? Rich...

Marki

15,763 posts

272 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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RichB said:
I remember teh Birminham event but can't remember the details, was it for F1 cars? I seem to remember Senna driving in it? Rich...


F3000

anonymous-user

56 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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And other stuff.

There were some people trying to resurrect the Birmingham Superprix, but it looks like they've given it up as an impossibility and are looking into a watered down demonstration event.

www.birmingham101.com/superprix/

angusfaldo

2,791 posts

276 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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FourWheelDrift said:

... not tight fiddly armco oppressed one way streets.


You know, FWD, you might be on to something here. Make it like a dual carriageway or a main A road and let them race on the same stretch of tarmac in both directions at the same time!

Eric Mc

122,345 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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Just like AVUS in Germany then.

The Wiz

5,875 posts

264 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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The British Grand Prix will remain at Silverstone up to and including 2006.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/3747365.stm

Silverstone secures British GP

British Racing Drivers' Club have confirmed the British Grand Prix will remain at Silverstone up to and including the 2006 season.

The decision was made after a deal was agreed with F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone.

Ecclestone had voiced concerns that Silverstone did not meet the standards of other Formula One venues.

The agreement means it is unlikely London will host a Grand Prix, following recent speculation

Eric Mc

122,345 posts

267 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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This was more or less known already. The big question is "what happens after 2006?" when the ciggie laws come into play.

steviebee

13,040 posts

257 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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Eric Mc said:
This was more or less known already. The big question is "what happens after 2006?" when the ciggie laws come into play.


Donnigton?

Back to the London idea...What about Docklands? More in keeping with the "image" of F1 and easier to stage one would guess. Might be a bit tight but then so is Monaco!

Eric Mc

122,345 posts

267 months

Wednesday 26th May 2004
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Donnington would suffer from the same legislative restrictions as Silverstone so it is not an option. The problem is the new EU law on cigarette advertising. It applies to the entire UK - and all other EU countries. Maybe we could have a British GP around the streets of St Helier in Jersy. St Helier is in a similar situation to Monaco, is outside the EU (therefore outside EU regulations) and is perceptively British so would have the right feel for a "British" event. Another alternative would be a race on the Isle of Man. Their main problem is that they are both islands so logistically thy are more difficult venues than one on the mainland.

Car racing with GP cars was held in both these venues in the past - but not since the late 1940s.

Racefan_uk

2,935 posts

258 months

Wednesday 26th May 2004
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It'll NEVER happen around London. Lets not get carried away here people. Can anyone SERIOUSLY see there being a Grand Prix held around streets of London... No, thought not.

Nice idea, but will never happen.

Silverstone will keep the Grand Prix, it's the only circuit in the country that has the facilities (albeit according to Bernie they're crap) to hold the event.

If the promoter wanted to pay a lot of money to get out of the contract to an event already being held at a venue that has the required facilities, how much do you think another venue would have to spend to hold it?

Can you really see the government putting up the cash to build a permanent pits complex somewhere in the city (which would be vandalised a week after the event anyway!) plus a media centre, hospitality places etc etc??? No, me neither. Unless they have finally found a decent use for the land the Millenium Dome is on.... Now THERE's a thought... hmmm...