What would the guy in 2nd place in Brazil do?
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If Alonso were to win in Brazil, and Hamilton were to finish third, Alonso would take the title on the basis of having had more wins. If Hamilton were to finish second, he would take the title.
No angle here, just curious:
Does anyone think that any driver on the grid, were he to find himself in the last few laps running 2nd between Alonso leading and Hamilton just behind in 3rd, would intentionally run wide or ease subtly in order to enable Hamilton to overtake him and secure the title?
No angle here, just curious:
Does anyone think that any driver on the grid, were he to find himself in the last few laps running 2nd between Alonso leading and Hamilton just behind in 3rd, would intentionally run wide or ease subtly in order to enable Hamilton to overtake him and secure the title?
Raikkonnen is staying at Fer but is a bloomin robot so it wouldn,t cross his mind , Massa is about to re-sign to Ferrari so no McLaren deal looming for him , I can,t see either of them moving over , personally I read it like this , Alonso knocks Ham off at the first corner in the wet and Ferrari clean up , I don,t want that to happen but I really can see Alonso doing this in his current frame of mind. There could be fireworks in the McLaren pits on Sunday afternoon...
If Alonso rammed LH off the FIA would have a field day, and McLaren could then legally sack Alonso. At the moment Alonso has a 2008 contract which only he can break...the team cannot. Question is who if anybody will buy him out or will he be happy to just walk away and start again leaving behind a good car and some very unhappy sponsors! Alonso and his manager are fools and his reputation has really taken a hit.
RedexRob said:
Raikkonnen is staying at Fer but is a bloomin robot so it wouldn,t cross his mind , Massa is about to re-sign to Ferrari so no McLaren deal looming for him , I can,t see either of them moving over , personally I read it like this , Alonso knocks Ham off at the first corner in the wet and Ferrari clean up , I don,t want that to happen but I really can see Alonso doing this in his current frame of mind. There could be fireworks in the McLaren pits on Sunday afternoon...
That would surprise me.Admittedly, Alonso has surprised many of us this year with his amateurish antics.
In this case, however, he will have thought this through a hundred times.
Alonso may not be a nice guy, but he is a very calculating driver. As long as he has even one chance in a million of taking the title, he will focus on making that happen. Initiating a crash with any other car would preclude his own chances, full stop.
The thing I don't understand is this:
If you're all that, as Alonso clearly thinks he is (and to be fair 2xworld titles suggests he's sure got something) then surely the 'correct' response of a winner would be to bite the bullet, raise your game and prove you really are the best through results on the track. To do anything else, and particularly to resort to the kind of political backbiting & unprofessionalism we've seen (remember how complicit Alonso was in the Stepneygate saga), well it just tarnishes his reputation. Back to my original point, he must be feeling a touch insecure in his abilities which again suggests maybe he's not as good as he thinks he is.
Anyway to Flemke's question:
IMO there was a time maybe 30 years ago when it would have been concievable for that to happen: nobody could watch the car in the way its possible to nowadays, furthermore I dont think there was the points-at-all-costs mentality there is now, and dare I say it a more gentlemanly approach to the sport.... so in extremis I could see it happening were this 1977 (not that'd we'd know till the autobiography was written!) but I doubt it'd happen nowadays. It'd be too obvious, the drivers need every last point, there may be some degree of camaraderie between those competing in the worlds toughest motorsport but it sure doesn't extend to handing over points to influence a championship.
A slightly different approach to the 'problem' though (and at risk of contradicting myself
) : I love the idea of JB having 'an incident' with Alonso...... you know: he's being lapped (by FA), he's still fighting for position, its wet, these modern F1 cars are sooo critical on the limit.... ooops sorry Fernando
If you're all that, as Alonso clearly thinks he is (and to be fair 2xworld titles suggests he's sure got something) then surely the 'correct' response of a winner would be to bite the bullet, raise your game and prove you really are the best through results on the track. To do anything else, and particularly to resort to the kind of political backbiting & unprofessionalism we've seen (remember how complicit Alonso was in the Stepneygate saga), well it just tarnishes his reputation. Back to my original point, he must be feeling a touch insecure in his abilities which again suggests maybe he's not as good as he thinks he is.
Anyway to Flemke's question:
IMO there was a time maybe 30 years ago when it would have been concievable for that to happen: nobody could watch the car in the way its possible to nowadays, furthermore I dont think there was the points-at-all-costs mentality there is now, and dare I say it a more gentlemanly approach to the sport.... so in extremis I could see it happening were this 1977 (not that'd we'd know till the autobiography was written!) but I doubt it'd happen nowadays. It'd be too obvious, the drivers need every last point, there may be some degree of camaraderie between those competing in the worlds toughest motorsport but it sure doesn't extend to handing over points to influence a championship.
A slightly different approach to the 'problem' though (and at risk of contradicting myself
) : I love the idea of JB having 'an incident' with Alonso...... you know: he's being lapped (by FA), he's still fighting for position, its wet, these modern F1 cars are sooo critical on the limit.... ooops sorry Fernando Edited by trackdemon on Wednesday 17th October 23:47
I think anyone who is not involved in the title will move over. ( mid to rer runners that is) which is a shame.
this has happened before. I remember schumacher starting well back at Suzuka and everyone just moved ( even though they were racing for possition and should have made him race for it.)
I think Dmon was in a jordan or the Arrows, Ms came up behind him and DH made him race for it. schumacher was not happy even ralph chipped in!! wtf
if you are paid to race for a team you race for the team, and the potential points and rewards that go with them.
anyway the guy in second place is likely to be kimmi and he will win the title
this has happened before. I remember schumacher starting well back at Suzuka and everyone just moved ( even though they were racing for possition and should have made him race for it.)
I think Dmon was in a jordan or the Arrows, Ms came up behind him and DH made him race for it. schumacher was not happy even ralph chipped in!! wtf
if you are paid to race for a team you race for the team, and the potential points and rewards that go with them.
anyway the guy in second place is likely to be kimmi and he will win the title
How would that work then?trackdemon said:
IMO there was a time maybe 30 years ago when it would have been concievable for that to happen: nobody could watch the car in the way its possible to nowadays, furthermore I dont think there was the points-at-all-costs mentality there is now, and dare I say it a more gentlemanly approach to the sport.... so in extremis I could see it happening were this 1977 (not that'd we'd know till the autobiography was written!) but I doubt it'd happen nowadays. It'd be too obvious, the drivers need every last point, there may be some degree of camaraderie between those competing in the worlds toughest motorsport but it sure doesn't extend to handing over points to influence a championship.
A slightly different approach to the 'problem' though (and at risk of contradicting myself) : I love the idea of JB having 'an incident' with Alonso...... you know: he's being lapped (by FA), he's still fighting for position, its wet, these modern F1 cars are sooo critical on the limit.... ooops sorry Fernando
The times indeed have been a-changin'.A slightly different approach to the 'problem' though (and at risk of contradicting myself
) : I love the idea of JB having 'an incident' with Alonso...... you know: he's being lapped (by FA), he's still fighting for position, its wet, these modern F1 cars are sooo critical on the limit.... ooops sorry Fernando I don't know that it would happen nowadays, but I am not sure that it is inconceivable that it could happen.
I don't see a scenario such as that in which a smaller team is using a bigger team's engines, and has been pressurised to help out the bigger team (as has apparently happened more than once in the last few years.)
Also, I don't see a scenario in which a young thrusting driver is trying to ingratiate himself with Ron, and takes out Alonso in an attempt to do so (which strategem I suspect would backfire anyhow).
I can, however imagine that an older, established driver, with little to lose, whose team's position in the Constructors' had already been settled, and who personally either liked Hamilton or disapproved of Alonso, might do that sort of thing on his own. Maybe a Coulthard, a Button, Heidfeld, Ralfie, Barrichello, someone like that. I would not be shocked, either, if Frank Williams were to have a word with one of his drivers...
spectatorsam said:
massa on home soil, hot favourite
kimmi second
I think for mclaren to win this one ferrari have to fcuk up BIG time, and as I understand from previous posts on this, if massa wins and KR is 2nd, the title is his
Er, not if Hamilton is 3rd, or 4th, or 5th, or 6th.kimmi second
I think for mclaren to win this one ferrari have to fcuk up BIG time, and as I understand from previous posts on this, if massa wins and KR is 2nd, the title is his
Or not if Alonso is 3rd.
flemke said:
trackdemon said:
IMO there was a time maybe 30 years ago when it would have been concievable for that to happen: nobody could watch the car in the way its possible to nowadays, furthermore I dont think there was the points-at-all-costs mentality there is now, and dare I say it a more gentlemanly approach to the sport.... so in extremis I could see it happening were this 1977 (not that'd we'd know till the autobiography was written!) but I doubt it'd happen nowadays. It'd be too obvious, the drivers need every last point, there may be some degree of camaraderie between those competing in the worlds toughest motorsport but it sure doesn't extend to handing over points to influence a championship.
A slightly different approach to the 'problem' though (and at risk of contradicting myself) : I love the idea of JB having 'an incident' with Alonso...... you know: he's being lapped (by FA), he's still fighting for position, its wet, these modern F1 cars are sooo critical on the limit.... ooops sorry Fernando
The times indeed have been a-changin'.A slightly different approach to the 'problem' though (and at risk of contradicting myself
) : I love the idea of JB having 'an incident' with Alonso...... you know: he's being lapped (by FA), he's still fighting for position, its wet, these modern F1 cars are sooo critical on the limit.... ooops sorry Fernando I don't know that it would happen nowadays, but I am not sure that it is inconceivable that it could happen.
I don't see a scenario such as that in which a smaller team is using a bigger team's engines, and has been pressurised to help out the bigger team (as has apparently happened more than once in the last few years.)
Also, I don't see a scenario in which a young thrusting driver is trying to ingratiate himself with Ron, and takes out Alonso in an attempt to do so (which strategem I suspect would backfire anyhow).
I can, however imagine that an older, established driver, with little to lose, whose team's position in the Constructors' had already been settled, and who personally either liked Hamilton or disapproved of Alonso, might do that sort of thing on his own. Maybe a Coulthard, a Button, Heidfeld, Ralfie, Barrichello, someone like that. I would not be shocked, either, if Frank Williams were to have a word with one of his drivers...
Too much to lose individually (£££££$$$$ seems rather a strong motivator these days), too much scutiny by the teams, and - perhaps crucially - far too much scrutiny by Max and his cronies.Of course, its all a moot point as the wonderkid™ will bring home the bacon and FA will interface with *something* in a fit of pique
I cant think of any drivers that would let LH through were this scenario to happen, think about it with McLaren out of the constructors championship some better than hoped for places in this contest are now up for grabs I doubt whether even LHs fellow countrymen would throw away such an oppotunity to score 8 points and as someone has already mentioned the Ferrari drivers are robots. Anyway I think Interlagos may suit McLaren this year and I have a sneaky feeling that FA may just sneak it.
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