On the subject of BMW's....

On the subject of BMW's....

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mondeoman

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11,430 posts

268 months

Tuesday 9th April 2002
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Now don't all shout at once.. but does anyone know anything about a V8 diesel BM. I heard that they might be available on the continent but cant get it confirmed. Just curious

K G

41 posts

269 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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It's the 740d, and it's been out on the continent since atleast last year.
Works tremendously well - if you've driven the 530d, imagine it in 4.4 V8 form... that's exactly what it is! Torque Monster (allegedly )

element

63 posts

267 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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yeah one sees them around, now and then, in Yerp

mondeoman

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11,430 posts

268 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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So all I need to do is get over to the continent and buy one and drop it into my 3 series - now that would be an M3 beater! Hmm interesting

guysh

2,250 posts

285 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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yes but you would probably need a very large shoe horn to get it in and even then it probably would not fit. One of the BMW tunning companys (can't remember which one) fitted the M5 engine into a three series - it only just fitted so I would imagine a diesel aint' gonna fit ....

element

63 posts

267 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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i think it's hartge that do the v8 m3 conversion

mondeoman

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11,430 posts

268 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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and it'd be totally socially irresponsible.... If it you can pro-rata the power/torque from the 3 litre (with a chip), then you're looking at 340hp and 550 lbft. Gotta be done!

Now where's that shoe horn?

thom

2,745 posts

275 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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i think it's hartge that do the v8 m3 conversion


Yes it is; the problem is they do it on the new M3; I don't know if the former M3 will have an engine bay wide enough for such an engine...
(Don't know what model you have mondeoman)

guysh

2,250 posts

285 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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i beleive the donor vehicle can be a 316 ci

Tuff Noodell

68 posts

277 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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I have had the same thoughts about dropping the V8 diesel into the 3 series.
Spoke with Birds who are agents for the Hartge V8 converted 3 series. They put the M5 engine into the 3 series - cost around £45k

He said that it could be done but cost would be similar to Hartge conversion - which would you prefer - 250bhp diesel or 400bhp petrol.

No answers required....

thom

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275 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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They put the M5 engine into the 3 series - cost around £45k

Bargain!
IMO I would stick to a "pure" Beemer instead of wandering in something with virtually no resale value...

mondeoman

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268 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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i beleive the donor vehicle can be a 316 ci





Maybe £45k if you pay someone to do it for you - I've done engine conversions before and they're not that difficult (and its a diseasal anyway). As I said, if its chipped (I know a man who can), 350 horse and ooodles of grunt.

mondeoman

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11,430 posts

268 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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They put the M5 engine into the 3 series - cost around £45k

Bargain!
IMO I would stick to a "pure" Beemer instead of wandering in something with virtually no resale value...



Would this be the ultimate track-day diesel?? Hmmmm Re-sale is not an issue

Tuff Noodell

68 posts

277 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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I've found the email that Kevin Bird of Birds sent to me regarding the conversion.
Look like the cost of the M5 into the 3 series is £50k+


Email from Birds:-

We have no problems in creating any specialised vehicle. However, the usual
problem is that of cost. We would only undertake such a project if we were
assured that the client had a complete understanding of the cost
implications. The preparation work required to understand the complete cost
of the conversion would require a deposit of 5k. If at any stage during the
preparation work it became clear that the final cost would go out of initial
budget estimates, work would stop and the residue of the deposit would be
returned.

To give you an idea of the end cost of such a vehicle, the cost of the M5
engine and all other running gear into the E46 currently amounts to 51,600
but includes wheels & tyres, suspension etc. I would suggest that this might
be the ultimate cost of such a vehicle, and would therefor eradicate any
notion of economy!

Of course, many individuals like something completely unique, and so I do
not feel that this is out of the question!

Let me know if I can be of help (once you have picked yourself up off the
floor)

Regards, Kevin Bird.

Tuff Noodell

68 posts

277 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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With regards to resale, I saw the M5 in a 3 series conversion in Autocar recently.

Ex demo car £44k i think.

thom

2,745 posts

275 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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Not as bad as I expected but quite important though...

Cotty

39,754 posts

286 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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i think it's hartge that do the v8 m3 conversion



Sod that I read a while back that someone managed to get a V12 in a compact. anything is possible

Fatboy

8,001 posts

274 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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On the diesel front, I read in EVO a while back about an Alpina 5 series with a diesel engine - the D10 they called it. They used the 3.0 six rather than the V8 BMW offered them, and added a 2nd turbo. It was a well tight fit, so much so that there wasn't room for a RHD version!!! So I'd guess the V8 couldn't be put in a 3 series. Never mind what all the extra weight up front would do to the handling!!!

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thom

2,745 posts

275 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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On the diesel front, I read in EVO a while back about an Alpina 5 series with a diesel engine - the D10 they called it

Haha, I remember it very well; it was the first car Metcalfe awarded five stars and the article finished with something like "shoot me down in flames..."
I can also remember an article of Paul Frère in which he said it was one of the best cars he had ever driven...
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So I'd guess the V8 couldn't be put in a 3 series.


It's been done yet by Hartge

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Fatboy

8,001 posts

274 months

Wednesday 10th April 2002
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The diesel V8?