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M4SER said:
Uncle John said:
The Portofino is a bit muted, bloody GPF’s, but seriously rapid for an entry level Ferrari. Crazy really.
I'm afraid it is, even though it doesn't have any rear silencers. The combination of GPF and new (for 2021) drive-by vehicular noise limits on all new cars have seriously muted ICE cars compared to what was allowed only a couple of years ago. Even so, they still sound better than an EV!It's not a million miles away from Corsa with a bean can exhaust that we all deride so much.
It doesn't sound cultured at all, the interim sound of the present before we get the silence of the future.
Sad because Merc/AMG have atleast made a fist of making a decent sounding turbocharged car.
ChocolateFrog said:
It's not the volume for me, it's the tone.
It's not a million miles away from Corsa with a bean can exhaust that we all deride so much.
It doesn't sound cultured at all, the interim sound of the present before we get the silence of the future.
Sad because Merc/AMG have atleast made a fist of making a decent sounding turbocharged car.
Hopefully this will mean the cars which pre date these rule changes remain in high demand. It's not a million miles away from Corsa with a bean can exhaust that we all deride so much.
It doesn't sound cultured at all, the interim sound of the present before we get the silence of the future.
Sad because Merc/AMG have atleast made a fist of making a decent sounding turbocharged car.
Can you imagine a Sauber C9 just farting up La Sarthe vs it’s bellowing V8 roar.
Quickmoose said:
As Savagegeese, (youtuber) said recently, now is the time to really consider the car you always wanted and to do what it takes to get it. The motoring landscape is changing very fast on a weekly/monthly basis...
I think this is quite accurate and pretty depressing when you think about it...First they stop producing ICE cars, then they slap emission zones everywhere so that certain ICE cars are limited in where they can drive, then they modify / limit the petrol market so that it becomes increasingly expensive / impractical to run a fun / older car.
Like you say, it seems like it's becoming a weekly / monthly basis that something else changes and the horizon draws closer.
Doofus said:
All this doom mongering only applies to new cars.
Stop wishing your lives away, and use some imagination when it comes to buying your next car. I promise you, your neighbours don't give a s
t about what you drive. 
ETA: Oh, and you can turn the speed limiter off anyway.
That's my point though, some things only apply to new cars being built / sold from X year, and that wouldn't have been much of an issue before as we could all still keep our older ICE cars, but there's more and more changes on the horizon that will directly affect those cars too.Stop wishing your lives away, and use some imagination when it comes to buying your next car. I promise you, your neighbours don't give a s
t about what you drive. ETA: Oh, and you can turn the speed limiter off anyway.
smithyithy said:
That's my point though, some things only apply to new cars being built / sold from X year, and that wouldn't have been much of an issue before as we could all still keep our older ICE cars, but there's more and more changes on the horizon that will directly affect those cars too.
Yeah, but not in such short a timescale.Obviously, if your idea of a nice day out in the car is driving into the middle of Birmingham, then you're out of luck, but 'twas ever thus.
Doofus said:
All this doom mongering only applies to new cars.
Stop wishing your lives away, and use some imagination when it comes to buying your next car. I promise you, your neighbours don't give a st about what you drive.
ETA: Oh, and you can turn the speed limiter off anyway.
Well said, do I really care what happens in 2050? No... Stop wishing your lives away, and use some imagination when it comes to buying your next car. I promise you, your neighbours don't give a s
t about what you drive. ETA: Oh, and you can turn the speed limiter off anyway.
What my grandchildren chose to drive (or fly) to get their kicks is their concern. RichB said:
Doofus said:
All this doom mongering only applies to new cars.
Stop wishing your lives away, and use some imagination when it comes to buying your next car. I promise you, your neighbours don't give a st about what you drive.
ETA: Oh, and you can turn the speed limiter off anyway.
Well said, do I really care what happens in 2050? No... Stop wishing your lives away, and use some imagination when it comes to buying your next car. I promise you, your neighbours don't give a s
t about what you drive. ETA: Oh, and you can turn the speed limiter off anyway.
What my grandchildren chose to drive (or fly) to get their kicks is their concern. Come 2050, I'll be in that age bracket, and hopefully financially sorted enough to do the same, but the landscape for petrolheads will be very different by then..
Welshbeef said:
ChocolateFrog said:
It's not the volume for me, it's the tone.
It's not a million miles away from Corsa with a bean can exhaust that we all deride so much.
It doesn't sound cultured at all, the interim sound of the present before we get the silence of the future.
Sad because Merc/AMG have atleast made a fist of making a decent sounding turbocharged car.
Hopefully this will mean the cars which pre date these rule changes remain in high demand. It's not a million miles away from Corsa with a bean can exhaust that we all deride so much.
It doesn't sound cultured at all, the interim sound of the present before we get the silence of the future.
Sad because Merc/AMG have atleast made a fist of making a decent sounding turbocharged car.
Can you imagine a Sauber C9 just farting up La Sarthe vs it’s bellowing V8 roar.
If I had the opportunity to pick a Ferrari V8 Berlinetta, Money no object I'd have a 458 (might as well go Speciale), the newer stuff holds little interest to me and I can't be the only one.
355/360/F430 and 458 all sound
smithyithy said:
That's my worry though, I know people that are in the sort of 50 to retirement age now, and they're able to buy and drive their dream cars with relative ease now, despite more EVs popping up here and there..
Come 2050, I'll be in that age bracket, and hopefully financially sorted enough to do the same, but the landscape for petrolheads will be very different by then..
I'm sorry to read that and I feel for the next generation. I'm 65 and enjoyed all my cars. Driving on the roads now is not like it was 50 years ago but there'll be something to excite in 30 years time. I just won't be here to experience it. Come 2050, I'll be in that age bracket, and hopefully financially sorted enough to do the same, but the landscape for petrolheads will be very different by then..
RobXjcoupe said:
Had a watch of the early and late Range Rover classic comparison video and was interesting to hear and see those subtle differences. Not sure how new or old that video is/was but gave a brief insight for a restoration I’m about to start
In terms of hearing, those differences aren't all that subtle. . Incidentally, Disco 1 sound deadening is well worth getting hold of. The floor and tunnel mouldings are the same but the bulkhead moulding is the more comprehensive LSE/end of the classic line version. Disco 1 front wheel arch liners also stop a lot of noise.
DonkeyApple said:
RobXjcoupe said:
Had a watch of the early and late Range Rover classic comparison video and was interesting to hear and see those subtle differences. Not sure how new or old that video is/was but gave a brief insight for a restoration I’m about to start
In terms of hearing, those differences aren't all that subtle. . Incidentally, Disco 1 sound deadening is well worth getting hold of. The floor and tunnel mouldings are the same but the bulkhead moulding is the more comprehensive LSE/end of the classic line version. Disco 1 front wheel arch liners also stop a lot of noise.
Thoroughly good episode regarding the Hydrogen development from JCB. Good to see an ex Lotus engineer getting amongst it too. Lord Bamford was engaging also.
It peaked my interest as a building I visit has just had its Hydrogen fuel cell decommissioned and removed. I was keen to hear about future development in the field and where it could possibly lead.
Great episode
It peaked my interest as a building I visit has just had its Hydrogen fuel cell decommissioned and removed. I was keen to hear about future development in the field and where it could possibly lead.
Great episode
Totally fascinating hydrogen episode. We all knew it was a possible tech but it gets totally overwhelmed by the electric publicity, to the point where I just assumed there was no further research in hydrogen. It's hugely encouraging to see how painless a switch could be for the larger machines.
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