Elon Musk $41B offer for Twitter
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mko9 said:
RichTT said:
The liberal left in the USA is clearly schizophrenic. But this is the result of decades of identity politics, liberal (now illiberal) college education, divisive rhetoric and a complete lack of political nuance.
The liberal left that unquestioningly supports HAMAS, who coincidentally oppose virtually everything the liberal left stands for? You're disgusting.
jameswills said:
98elise said:
Second test flight happened today....
Lifted off after a short hold
Booster seemed to have no engine problems
Hot staging worked so separation was good (booster lost shortly after seperation)
Second stage engines seemed fine and got Starship into space
Starship flight was automatically terminated just short of orbital speed (at about 24000kph)
That's a huge step forward.
If expending the booster the lift capacity is 250tonnes so that's the ISS in 2 flights
And yet people still believe we landed on the moon Lifted off after a short hold
Booster seemed to have no engine problems
Hot staging worked so separation was good (booster lost shortly after seperation)
Second stage engines seemed fine and got Starship into space
Starship flight was automatically terminated just short of orbital speed (at about 24000kph)
That's a huge step forward.
If expending the booster the lift capacity is 250tonnes so that's the ISS in 2 flights
Edited by 98elise on Saturday 18th November 13:47
https://nordot.app/1098492479424004639?c=592622757...
dimots said:
Byker28i said:
Interesting take on Musks Twitter history
https://twitter.com/drskyskull/status/159346592149...
But he missed out his support and promotion of white supremacists and racists...
Might have been interesting a year ago when it was posted. Actually, no it wouldn’t have been…https://twitter.com/drskyskull/status/159346592149...
But he missed out his support and promotion of white supremacists and racists...
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1726005...
RichTT said:
What you're trying to actually say is that people on there hold differing opinions and say things you don't like. Although it's more likely a cognitive bias where you have created your own "subjective social reality" that doesn't actually match the real world and tends to be amplified by media rhetoric but not backed by any actual data.
"Say things you don't like" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. And I'm not talking about "people on there" I'm talking about Musk. You know, because it's the Musk thread. About Musk.
But if cognitive bias means I deplore racism, white supremacy and antisemitism, then yeah, that's me.
Perhaps the cognitive bias could be in the person who doesn't see it? When it's so clear to see? Something to scratch your chin and think about whilst being all enlightened and centrist.
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Edited by dobbo_ on Saturday 18th November 23:46
dobbo_ said:
"Say things you don't like" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. And I'm not talking about "people on there" I'm talking about Musk. You know, because it's the Musk thread. About Musk.
But if cognitive bias means I deplore racism, white supremacy and antisemitism, then yeah, that's me.
Perhaps the cognitive bias could be in the person who doesn't see it? When it's so clear to see? Something to scratch your chin and think about whilst being all enlightened and centrist.
Musk, has said nothing "anti-Semitic" (because it's a nonsense catch all phrase designed to elicit an emotional response from those who deal in outrage and emotion rather than the ability to think rationally and with objectivity). This same outrage and cancel culture was used to silence those with reasonable, and now vindicated opinions and evidence, during a recent global issue, you might remember. But if cognitive bias means I deplore racism, white supremacy and antisemitism, then yeah, that's me.
Perhaps the cognitive bias could be in the person who doesn't see it? When it's so clear to see? Something to scratch your chin and think about whilst being all enlightened and centrist.
Free speech is accepting there is speech you abhor. Words aren't weapons. They can't hurt you. You can feel offended, but that's your personal choice to have that emotional response as a grown adult. Out of all the platforms that might try to uphold some of the values of free speech, X now appears to be the only one (outside of Nostr perhaps).
My agreement or disagreement in his position is irrelevant.
RichTT said:
Musk, has said nothing "anti-Semitic" (because it's a nonsense catch all phrase designed to elicit an emotional response from those who deal in outrage and emotion rather than the ability to think rationally and with objectivity). This same outrage and cancel culture was used to silence those with reasonable, and now vindicated opinions and evidence, during a recent global issue, you might remember.
Free speech is accepting there is speech you abhor. Words aren't weapons. They can't hurt you. You can feel offended, but that's your personal choice to have that emotional response as a grown adult. Out of all the platforms that might try to uphold some of the values of free speech, X now appears to be the only one (outside of Nostr perhaps).
My agreement or disagreement in his position is irrelevant.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? As usual on these 'free speech' threads it needs to be pointed out that you can have 'free speech', but that doesn't mean free from consequences.Free speech is accepting there is speech you abhor. Words aren't weapons. They can't hurt you. You can feel offended, but that's your personal choice to have that emotional response as a grown adult. Out of all the platforms that might try to uphold some of the values of free speech, X now appears to be the only one (outside of Nostr perhaps).
My agreement or disagreement in his position is irrelevant.
Elon is finding out that if he allows, enables and even amplifies racists then there are consequences to his business in advertisers leaving and reduced income. His subsequent attacks on the people and organisations pointing this out is doomed to failure whilst the racists continue to be unmoderated. Twitter/X will continue to leak advertising revenue until it starts to moderate content, it's not rocket science to work out that the big companies don't want their adverts to appear next to certain types of content.
Coming back to your first point - "Musk, has said nothing "anti-Semitic" ". This is of course technically true, he doesn't need to say anything, just re-tweeting with a 'look at this' comment is enough to amplify the content whether because he agrees with the point or more likely because he just wants to milk the outrage so that he can be seen as an edgelord by people like YorkshireStu.
tangerine_sedge said:
RichTT said:
Musk, has said nothing "anti-Semitic" (because it's a nonsense catch all phrase designed to elicit an emotional response from those who deal in outrage and emotion rather than the ability to think rationally and with objectivity). This same outrage and cancel culture was used to silence those with reasonable, and now vindicated opinions and evidence, during a recent global issue, you might remember.
Free speech is accepting there is speech you abhor. Words aren't weapons. They can't hurt you. You can feel offended, but that's your personal choice to have that emotional response as a grown adult. Out of all the platforms that might try to uphold some of the values of free speech, X now appears to be the only one (outside of Nostr perhaps).
My agreement or disagreement in his position is irrelevant.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? As usual on these 'free speech' threads it needs to be pointed out that you can have 'free speech', but that doesn't mean free from consequences.Free speech is accepting there is speech you abhor. Words aren't weapons. They can't hurt you. You can feel offended, but that's your personal choice to have that emotional response as a grown adult. Out of all the platforms that might try to uphold some of the values of free speech, X now appears to be the only one (outside of Nostr perhaps).
My agreement or disagreement in his position is irrelevant.
Elon is finding out that if he allows, enables and even amplifies racists then there are consequences to his business in advertisers leaving and reduced income. His subsequent attacks on the people and organisations pointing this out is doomed to failure whilst the racists continue to be unmoderated. Twitter/X will continue to leak advertising revenue until it starts to moderate content, it's not rocket science to work out that the big companies don't want their adverts to appear next to certain types of content.
Coming back to your first point - "Musk, has said nothing "anti-Semitic" ". This is of course technically true, he doesn't need to say anything, just re-tweeting with a 'look at this' comment is enough to amplify the content whether because he agrees with the point or more likely because he just wants to milk the outrage so that he can be seen as an edgelord by people like YorkshireStu.
https://twitter.com/drskyskull/status/159346592149...
He still hasn't changed.
Instead of blaming himself for his protion of white supremacists and racists, he lashed out blaming others as he's done frequently ever since before buying the platform. Free speech is fine but it shouldn't go unchecked. Musk has removed all the checks and balences and has contributed in turning twitter into a cessbit of disinformation by some of the worse people. Even if it is checked, it takes days, by which time the world has moved onto the next comment in the race to the bottom.
Byker28i said:
Saying it failed now minutes after reaching space?
https://nordot.app/1098492479424004639?c=592622757...
First stage exploded after separation and they lost the second stage shortly afterhttps://nordot.app/1098492479424004639?c=592622757...
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-st...
It was a 'rapid unscheduled disassembly'
Video here
https://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2023/nov...
I’ve just watched a clip about this and it seems Media Matters had manipulated the search engine on X to directly get the feed to show an antisemitic post against the advert. It seems X has all the date log history and can clearly prove this. If this is true I would think Media Matters and whoever is financing them will be stuffed.
Chipper said:
I’ve just watched a clip about this and it seems Media Matters had manipulated the search engine on X to directly get the feed to show an antisemitic post against the advert. It seems X has all the date log history and can clearly prove this. If this is true I would think Media Matters and whoever is financing them will be stuffed.
Share the source? Because I've not seen that reported on any media yetByker28i said:
Chipper said:
I’ve just watched a clip about this and it seems Media Matters had manipulated the search engine on X to directly get the feed to show an antisemitic post against the advert. It seems X has all the date log history and can clearly prove this. If this is true I would think Media Matters and whoever is financing them will be stuffed.
Share the source? Because I've not seen that reported on any media yetIt looks like X have clear data showing the manipulation by Media Matters who I think actually purposely followed someone with antisemitism views, and simply Kept refreshing the page until they could get a match of an advert with the person they were following. From all accounts they didn’t realise that this is all logged data and clearly shows them manipulating the search engine. Comical if true.
Chipper said:
Byker28i said:
Chipper said:
I’ve just watched a clip about this and it seems Media Matters had manipulated the search engine on X to directly get the feed to show an antisemitic post against the advert. It seems X has all the date log history and can clearly prove this. If this is true I would think Media Matters and whoever is financing them will be stuffed.
Share the source? Because I've not seen that reported on any media yetIt looks like X have clear data showing the manipulation by Media Matters who I think actually purposely followed someone with antisemitism views, and simply Kept refreshing the page until they could get a match of an advert with the person they were following. From all accounts they didn’t realise that this is all logged data and clearly shows them manipulating the search engine. Comical if true.
Where was the clip from and who was making this claim?
I've seen Musk make the claim from Musk when he announced he was suing, but nothing to back that up yet, so it'll be interesting to see your source.
There's Angelo Carusone on MSNBC saying it's Musks fault advertisers are leaving
https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/angelo-caruso...
In that interview he claimed that Musk in his legal complaint/filing
"actually confirmed that our reporting was accurate. I mean, everything he said that everything in our report actually, as we said, existed, did actually exist on the platform. And that's basically our core argument is that the platform is so saturated with extremism, with white genocide, with antisemitism, with racism, with conspiracy theories, things that otherwise should be managed in some way that they can't actually protect the few brands that are still willing to remain on the platform. "
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 19th November 07:52
Byker28i said:
Chipper said:
Byker28i said:
Chipper said:
I’ve just watched a clip about this and it seems Media Matters had manipulated the search engine on X to directly get the feed to show an antisemitic post against the advert. It seems X has all the date log history and can clearly prove this. If this is true I would think Media Matters and whoever is financing them will be stuffed.
Share the source? Because I've not seen that reported on any media yetIt looks like X have clear data showing the manipulation by Media Matters who I think actually purposely followed someone with antisemitism views, and simply Kept refreshing the page until they could get a match of an advert with the person they were following. From all accounts they didn’t realise that this is all logged data and clearly shows them manipulating the search engine. Comical if true.
Where was the clip from and who was making this claim?
I've seen Musk make the claim from Musk when he announced he was suing, but nothing to back that up yet, so it'll be interesting to see your source.
There's Angelo Carusone on MSNBC saying it's Musks fault advertisers are leaving
https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/angelo-caruso...
In that interview he claimed that Musk in his legal complaint/filing
"actually confirmed that our reporting was accurate. I mean, everything he said that everything in our report actually, as we said, existed, did actually exist on the platform. And that's basically our core argument is that the platform is so saturated with extremism, with white genocide, with antisemitism, with racism, with conspiracy theories, things that otherwise should be managed in some way that they can't actually protect the few brands that are still willing to remain on the platform. "
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 19th November 07:52
Edited by Chipper on Sunday 19th November 08:00
dimots said:
Byker28i - RichTT posted the X statement about ad impression manipulation two pages ago and you’re here arguing with him without having read what he posts haha!
I didn’t think I was arguing? Obviously funny to you but sometimes you don’t want to read a 100 pages so mistakes happen. Go read the Porsche threads to understand that.tangerine_sedge said:
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? As usual on these 'free speech' threads it needs to be pointed out that you can have 'free speech', but that doesn't mean free from consequences.
Elon is finding out that if he allows, enables and even amplifies racists then there are consequences to his business in advertisers leaving and reduced income. His subsequent attacks on the people and organisations pointing this out is doomed to failure whilst the racists continue to be unmoderated. Twitter/X will continue to leak advertising revenue until it starts to moderate content, it's not rocket science to work out that the big companies don't want their adverts to appear next to certain types of content.
Coming back to your first point - "Musk, has said nothing "anti-Semitic" ". This is of course technically true, he doesn't need to say anything, just re-tweeting with a 'look at this' comment is enough to amplify the content whether because he agrees with the point or more likely because he just wants to milk the outrage so that he can be seen as an edgelord by people like YorkshireStu.
I was replying to Dobbo. Seeing as he is insinuating that I somehow am an Elon apologist in disagreeing that I don't think his replies/amplifying of viewpoints constitute any form of racism, white supremacy or anti-semitic tropes. Because that viewpoint is emotionally led, and not objective. Which is most of the problem with the rhetoric these days. Zero nuance, mostly emotion led, responses. Case in point, your belief that the things he amplifies are 'racist' or that actual racism and calls for violence aren't policed in any way on the platform. Elon is finding out that if he allows, enables and even amplifies racists then there are consequences to his business in advertisers leaving and reduced income. His subsequent attacks on the people and organisations pointing this out is doomed to failure whilst the racists continue to be unmoderated. Twitter/X will continue to leak advertising revenue until it starts to moderate content, it's not rocket science to work out that the big companies don't want their adverts to appear next to certain types of content.
Coming back to your first point - "Musk, has said nothing "anti-Semitic" ". This is of course technically true, he doesn't need to say anything, just re-tweeting with a 'look at this' comment is enough to amplify the content whether because he agrees with the point or more likely because he just wants to milk the outrage so that he can be seen as an edgelord by people like YorkshireStu.
As for 'Moderate Content', well we can see where that led over the last few years. Who becomes the arbiter of what's hateful, offensive, or misinformation? The The X content moderation rules are clear. If you don't like it, you can choose not to use the app. Just as advertisers are free to not use it as an advertising platform.
"People are allowed to post content, including potentially inflammatory content, as long as they’re not violating the X Rules. It’s important to know that X does not screen content or remove potentially offensive content"
And also their update:
"These beliefs are the foundation of Freedom of Speech, not Freedom of Reach - our enforcement philosophy which means, where appropriate, restricting the reach of Tweets that violate our policies by making the content less discoverable."
I have no issue with advertisers pulling contracts with any media platform, in the same way that I have no issue with customers boycotting any companies products that they don't align with. That is the free market is it not? However, 10 multinational conglomerates uniting all at once behind Media Matters tortious interference attempt would actually merit collusion, not organic disassociation. Given that X has stated they have the logs/data showing that their allegations are demonstrably false and heavily manipulated. Their "evidence" is not actually evidence, it is a biased narrative that doesn't reflect the real world experiences of the users.
If you go searching for specific users, tweets, actual racism, anti-Semitism and then manipulate the platform to create a narrative, that's unethical.
Edited by RichTT on Sunday 19th November 08:26
Chipper said:
I didn’t think I was arguing? Obviously funny to you but sometimes you don’t want to read a 100 pages so mistakes happen. Go read the Porsche threads to understand that.
You’re not. You’re saying the same thing RichTT did.Byker has been arguing for two pages without reading.
Chipper said:
dimots said:
Byker28i - RichTT posted the X statement about ad impression manipulation two pages ago and you’re here arguing with him without having read what he posts haha!
I didn’t think I was arguing? Obviously funny to you but sometimes you don’t want to read a 100 pages so mistakes happen. Go read the Porsche threads to understand that.If it's just repeating Musks claims which it seems it is, then it's nothing new
This was twitters response
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2023...
If it was a clip then that suggests it's a video, someone else's comment on it, the initial post seemed to suggest some evidence to support this.
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 19th November 08:36
Chipper said:
Byker28i said:
Chipper said:
Byker28i said:
Chipper said:
I’ve just watched a clip about this and it seems Media Matters had manipulated the search engine on X to directly get the feed to show an antisemitic post against the advert. It seems X has all the date log history and can clearly prove this. If this is true I would think Media Matters and whoever is financing them will be stuffed.
Share the source? Because I've not seen that reported on any media yetIt looks like X have clear data showing the manipulation by Media Matters who I think actually purposely followed someone with antisemitism views, and simply Kept refreshing the page until they could get a match of an advert with the person they were following. From all accounts they didn’t realise that this is all logged data and clearly shows them manipulating the search engine. Comical if true.
Where was the clip from and who was making this claim?
I've seen Musk make the claim from Musk when he announced he was suing, but nothing to back that up yet, so it'll be interesting to see your source.
There's Angelo Carusone on MSNBC saying it's Musks fault advertisers are leaving
https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/angelo-caruso...
In that interview he claimed that Musk in his legal complaint/filing
"actually confirmed that our reporting was accurate. I mean, everything he said that everything in our report actually, as we said, existed, did actually exist on the platform. And that's basically our core argument is that the platform is so saturated with extremism, with white genocide, with antisemitism, with racism, with conspiracy theories, things that otherwise should be managed in some way that they can't actually protect the few brands that are still willing to remain on the platform. "
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 19th November 07:52
Edited by Chipper on Sunday 19th November 08:00
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