RE: Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 revealed
Discussion
AmyRichardson said:
The press reviews are certainly glowing, but maybe give it six months and let them catch their breath...
I hadn't realised the T50 is only 1850 wide, very refreshing in a world of supercars 200-odd mm wider than that - a real bonus on the road and another virtue afforded by light weight.
Pretty impressive when you consider that you can fit a whole extra adult in vs all of the alternatives. I hadn't realised the T50 is only 1850 wide, very refreshing in a world of supercars 200-odd mm wider than that - a real bonus on the road and another virtue afforded by light weight.
I'm sure I've said it before on this thread, but for mere mortals like me, I would love to see a car with more down to earth pricing that copied this packaging. Central driving position might well be a pain to get in and out of but I bet it makes for a superb driving experience and it would be a massive USP. Nobody else ever seems to attempt it though.
Gad-Westy said:
AmyRichardson said:
The press reviews are certainly glowing, but maybe give it six months and let them catch their breath...
I hadn't realised the T50 is only 1850 wide, very refreshing in a world of supercars 200-odd mm wider than that - a real bonus on the road and another virtue afforded by light weight.
Pretty impressive when you consider that you can fit a whole extra adult in vs all of the alternatives. I hadn't realised the T50 is only 1850 wide, very refreshing in a world of supercars 200-odd mm wider than that - a real bonus on the road and another virtue afforded by light weight.
I'm sure I've said it before on this thread, but for mere mortals like me, I would love to see a car with more down to earth pricing that copied this packaging. Central driving position might well be a pain to get in and out of but I bet it makes for a superb driving experience and it would be a massive USP. Nobody else ever seems to attempt it though.
Sway said:
Gad-Westy said:
AmyRichardson said:
The press reviews are certainly glowing, but maybe give it six months and let them catch their breath...
I hadn't realised the T50 is only 1850 wide, very refreshing in a world of supercars 200-odd mm wider than that - a real bonus on the road and another virtue afforded by light weight.
Pretty impressive when you consider that you can fit a whole extra adult in vs all of the alternatives. I hadn't realised the T50 is only 1850 wide, very refreshing in a world of supercars 200-odd mm wider than that - a real bonus on the road and another virtue afforded by light weight.
I'm sure I've said it before on this thread, but for mere mortals like me, I would love to see a car with more down to earth pricing that copied this packaging. Central driving position might well be a pain to get in and out of but I bet it makes for a superb driving experience and it would be a massive USP. Nobody else ever seems to attempt it though.
dom9 said:
Another +1 but I guess they would need to sell in volume to make the maths work and do they have the capacity for that?
Oh, that's definitely the issue - along with Murray never wanting to compromise on anything, ever.Unfortunately, the market just doesn't give a s
t about stuff like this - it's all numbers and stats and weight is irrelevant.But a man can dream.
Sway said:
Yep. I'm perhaps a bit too vocal in suggesting a more basic version with a V6 instead of V12 and less focus on being quite so light would be my perfect car...
I think you have to keep in mind that Murray creates cars for himself, because he can, and because there are enough people with deep pockets who agree with him to make it possible. I think there is an element of the process and volumes and standards involved making the cars inevitably very expensive. I'm not sure that his take on an Emira or an A110 would sell for enough money to support the cost of doing what he likes to do.otolith said:
I think you have to keep in mind that Murray creates cars for himself, because he can, and because there are enough people with deep pockets who agree with him to make it possible. I think there is an element of the process and volumes and standards involved making the cars inevitably very expensive. I'm not sure that his take on an Emira or an A110 would sell for enough money to support the cost of doing what he likes to do.
I think that sums it up for me. It gives the impression of a car built by a single mind in a world where everything is built by committee.Committees build euroboxes very well, but individuals build the sort of cars I'd want in my garage.
julian64 said:
otolith said:
I think you have to keep in mind that Murray creates cars for himself, because he can, and because there are enough people with deep pockets who agree with him to make it possible. I think there is an element of the process and volumes and standards involved making the cars inevitably very expensive. I'm not sure that his take on an Emira or an A110 would sell for enough money to support the cost of doing what he likes to do.
I think that sums it up for me. It gives the impression of a car built by a single mind in a world where everything is built by committee.Committees build euroboxes very well, but individuals build the sort of cars I'd want in my garage.
The bit I find somewhat odd though, is the cars Murray builds are rather different to the types of cars (especially road cars) Murray loves and has in his museum...
Yes, they're all very light. But they're also rather more manageable in power to weight - and can all be wrung out on a regular road. That's not the case for anything he's built other than the Rocket.
Sway said:
Yes, they're all very light. But they're also rather more manageable in power to weight - and can all be wrung out on a regular road. That's not the case for anything he's built other than the Rocket.
Yup, when he steps outside of blank-cheque "my sort of stuff" projects it all unravels pretty quickly. More fool us (and a number of Murray's clients!) for thinking that someone who's a superlative designer of X is somehow going to be an equally good designer of Y.Sway said:
The bit I find somewhat odd though, is the cars Murray builds are rather different to the types of cars (especially road cars) Murray loves and has in his museum...
Yes, they're all very light. But they're also rather more manageable in power to weight - and can all be wrung out on a regular road. That's not the case for anything he's built other than the Rocket.
Do you think perhaps the F1 was the only other car with this sort of power that ticked all his boxes? And he did own one of the prototypes for many years.Yes, they're all very light. But they're also rather more manageable in power to weight - and can all be wrung out on a regular road. That's not the case for anything he's built other than the Rocket.
Or perhaps with his main focus on GMA businesses he doesnt have much spare cash for an F40 and Carrera GT in his collection?
Edited by douglas111 on Monday 20th November 22:52
Think it’s more to do with the fact that there were many light weight cars that Gordon has admired over the years but he always struggled to engage with the more powerful super cars on the market - hence building the F1 and T50 and reflected in his personal collection.
(He’s on record for commenting that whilst he loved the steering on the F40, it was flawed in his eyes due, partly, to the very poor finish)
(He’s on record for commenting that whilst he loved the steering on the F40, it was flawed in his eyes due, partly, to the very poor finish)
douglas111 said:
Do you think perhaps the F1 was the only other car with this sort of power that ticked all his boxes? And he did own one of the prototypes for many years.
Or perhaps with his main focus on GMA businesses he doesnt have much spare cash for an F40 and Carrera GT in his collection?
Most of the collection was paid for by the sale of a single F1. I don’t think lack of cash held him back Or perhaps with his main focus on GMA businesses he doesnt have much spare cash for an F40 and Carrera GT in his collection?
Edited by douglas111 on Monday 20th November 22:52
Kawasicki said:
Enjoyed the Top Gear video. I can’t avoid thinking that it is amazingly similar to the motorbikes I ride. The sound, the revs, the gearing.
I don't ride bikes but thought it sounds very similar too. Love the brief clip at the rear when he's revving the engine. Unlike the F1, the sound at slow speed / low revs seems a bit of a non-event though.douglas111 said:
I don't ride bikes but thought it sounds very similar too. Love the brief clip at the rear when he's revving the engine. Unlike the F1, the sound at slow speed / low revs seems a bit of a non-event though.
I wouldn't have said unlike the F1, at least with the standard exhaust. But that is part of the appeal of the car, that it can be used in a relative 'quiet mode' without the constant need to shout and scream for attention like many other cars. You get the noise when you want it, but not when you don't.I read the article, watched the video and heard the podcast - there's loads on the amazing engine, control weights, how much he loves the experience etc but I don't think I heard Ollie say a single word about handling? No mention at all of how the front end responds, does it over or understeer or is it resolutely neutral, how is it under braking?
I'm sure he did enough miles to have an opinion on all these things but doesn't mention them? I wonder if this is because its a prototype and settings aren't final so he's been asked not to say anything?
Or with my conspiracy theory head on, is it a repeat of the F1 where you have jewel-like engineering with an incredible engine but handling that's a bit iffy?
I'm sure he did enough miles to have an opinion on all these things but doesn't mention them? I wonder if this is because its a prototype and settings aren't final so he's been asked not to say anything?
Or with my conspiracy theory head on, is it a repeat of the F1 where you have jewel-like engineering with an incredible engine but handling that's a bit iffy?
I enjoyed the TG vid too - but...
For the love of ICE, why do TG have to keep putting sound effects on their vids? Be that music, random noises or editing half-second clips together to produce "an effect"?
This is the last car that needs it, it sounds absolutely glorious just on its own.
My pet peeve - the number of times Clarkson/Hammond/May/Others said "..and just listen to that fabulous V6/V8/V12 noise..." and then overlay it with music or some st sound effects. If you want us to listen stop playing st over the top. 
rant over.
Love the T.50, will be in my garage once i've received the Euromillions cheque
For the love of ICE, why do TG have to keep putting sound effects on their vids? Be that music, random noises or editing half-second clips together to produce "an effect"?
This is the last car that needs it, it sounds absolutely glorious just on its own.
My pet peeve - the number of times Clarkson/Hammond/May/Others said "..and just listen to that fabulous V6/V8/V12 noise..." and then overlay it with music or some s
t sound effects. If you want us to listen stop playing st over the top. rant over.
Love the T.50, will be in my garage once i've received the Euromillions cheque
I don't doubt how good it is to drive, but the looks haven't grown on me at all. I wasn't originally a fan of the F1 styling but it grew on me, possibly because it was so different to anything else (still is).
Compared to the F1, the T50 has lost some of the attitude, aggression, e.g. the lack of side strakes, even the headlights and mounts look fussy and effeminate. The fan might have worked from the styling point of view if the outlet had been more oval or matching with other shapes around the rear valence, as it is it just looks stuck on.
Compared to the F1, the T50 has lost some of the attitude, aggression, e.g. the lack of side strakes, even the headlights and mounts look fussy and effeminate. The fan might have worked from the styling point of view if the outlet had been more oval or matching with other shapes around the rear valence, as it is it just looks stuck on.
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