Lots of brand new Porsches immediately available

[Armitage.Shanks]

stuckmojo said:

Who is the market for a 4 year old Taycan? Anyone wanting to save the planet will buy newer electric tech, at a much cheaper purchase and long term maintenance price.

Interesting question. I fancy a 2nd hand Taycan when they are in the £30's and I can have OPC warranty on it. Only ever because I can charge it for free at work and have another 2 cars for longer journeys. Agree with the desired obsolescence, but if I can get 5 years out of one, then any residual value is a bonus.

I reckon they'll reach that price point by the end of next year.

You can have an OPC Warranty on these in line with other models. Except after the 7yr point the achille's heel, the battery, is excluded. They'll drop off a cliff at 7yrs unless EV battery repairs becomes more a case of replacing damaged cells etc rather than, as Porsche would do, replace a complete battery unit. How much!

Edited by Armitage.Shanks on Monday 20th November 23:46

[GT4RS]

donutskidmark said:

Leithen said:

I also had a similar experience. Ordered a new 992 and had it delivered in 2019. Kept it about a year and a half and then sold it back to the OPC. Spotted a Targa in 2022 I quite liked, had a good look at it and told them I was interested. Never heard another thing from them until recently when I started being bombarded with marketing emails.

I don't expect a red carpet, but in the process of ordering and taking delivery of the 992 I got to know several of the sales guys quite well. A couple left, but others remained. I drive past the place several times a week and scratch my head wondering if it's something I said or did?

I bought a Ferrari instead.

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

[youngsyr]

GT4RS said:

donutskidmark said:

Leithen said:

I also had a similar experience. Ordered a new 992 and had it delivered in 2019. Kept it about a year and a half and then sold it back to the OPC. Spotted a Targa in 2022 I quite liked, had a good look at it and told them I was interested. Never heard another thing from them until recently when I started being bombarded with marketing emails.

I don't expect a red carpet, but in the process of ordering and taking delivery of the 992 I got to know several of the sales guys quite well. A couple left, but others remained. I drive past the place several times a week and scratch my head wondering if it's something I said or did?

I bought a Ferrari instead.

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

Or a salesperson who either has or is hoping to get a "loyal customer" on the hook for a guaranteed sale back to the dealer at RRP and then an easy flip at £££ over list on the GT2 RS.

[GT4RS]

youngsyr said:

GT4RS said:

donutskidmark said:

Leithen said:

I also had a similar experience. Ordered a new 992 and had it delivered in 2019. Kept it about a year and a half and then sold it back to the OPC. Spotted a Targa in 2022 I quite liked, had a good look at it and told them I was interested. Never heard another thing from them until recently when I started being bombarded with marketing emails.

I don't expect a red carpet, but in the process of ordering and taking delivery of the 992 I got to know several of the sales guys quite well. A couple left, but others remained. I drive past the place several times a week and scratch my head wondering if it's something I said or did?

I bought a Ferrari instead.

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

Or a salesperson who either has or is hoping to get a "loyal customer" on the hook for a guaranteed sale back to the dealer at RRP and then an easy flip at £££ over list on the GT2 RS.

The point here is not the gt2rs selling before they could make a offer oj a Px, it’s the fact someone enquired about a car and they didn’t even have the decency to make them aware it had been sold in between them enquiring. If there’s one way to p*as off a new customer, that’s by lack of communication.

[Chemical Ali]

GT4RS said:

youngsyr said:

GT4RS said:

donutskidmark said:

Leithen said:

I also had a similar experience. Ordered a new 992 and had it delivered in 2019. Kept it about a year and a half and then sold it back to the OPC. Spotted a Targa in 2022 I quite liked, had a good look at it and told them I was interested. Never heard another thing from them until recently when I started being bombarded with marketing emails.

I don't expect a red carpet, but in the process of ordering and taking delivery of the 992 I got to know several of the sales guys quite well. A couple left, but others remained. I drive past the place several times a week and scratch my head wondering if it's something I said or did?

I bought a Ferrari instead.

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

Or a salesperson who either has or is hoping to get a "loyal customer" on the hook for a guaranteed sale back to the dealer at RRP and then an easy flip at £££ over list on the GT2 RS.

The point here is not the gt2rs selling before they could make a offer oj a Px, it’s the fact someone enquired about a car and they didn’t even have the decency to make them aware it had been sold in between them enquiring. If there’s one way to p*as off a new customer, that’s by lack of communication.

Years of desperate customers. Like a fisherman whos catch jumps into the boat, they dont really know how to fish.

[981Boxess]

GT4RS said:

donutskidmark said:

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

That sounds more like an arrogance that comes with having had it far too easy for far too long and not 'needing' customers.

[981Boxess]

Chemical Ali said:

Years of desperate customers. Like a fisherman whos catch jumps into the boat, they dont really know how to fish.

............... and when in the boat thank them for the lift

[First Sea Lord]

981Boxess said:

GT4RS said:

donutskidmark said:

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

That sounds more like an arrogance that comes with having had it far too easy for far too long and not 'needing' customers.

The East London salesperson may have been waiting for the dealership or group buyer to tell them what the PX value would be. It shouldn't take that long but if only one person is allowed to give PX figures then there might have been a delay

[Buster73]

donutskidmark said:

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

My son bought a new Macan a few years back from an OPC , a few months later we decided to buy one for my wife.

Went down to the same dealer , dealt with the same salesman, we waited nearly a fortnight for him to come back to me with a price for the new car.

My son decided to order a new model Macan , which eventually was ready for collection on the Saturday, by Thursday night no one had confirmed a trade in price on his original Macan , he rang them and was told someone would come back to him , no one did.

He sold his car on the Saturday to an independent dealer who collected it on the Monday.

The salesman or no one from the OPC rang him up and asked why he hadn’t collected his new Macan either.

We drove down the following Saturday to collect it .

The complacency showed by both the salesman and the dealership was outstanding .

[Sukh13]

First Sea Lord said:

The East London salesperson may have been waiting for the dealership or group buyer to tell them what the PX value would be. It shouldn't take that long but if only one person is allowed to give PX figures then there might have been a delay

I think you are missing that the complaint is that there was a lack of communication that the car sold regardless of the cause of the delay in PX value.

A average salesman would ring the customer back and at least update that the car they had enquired about had been sold... Let alone try to find an alternative car to sell to the customer.

[First Sea Lord]

Sukh13 said:

First Sea Lord said:

The East London salesperson may have been waiting for the dealership or group buyer to tell them what the PX value would be. It shouldn't take that long but if only one person is allowed to give PX figures then there might have been a delay

I think you are missing that the complaint is that there was a lack of communication that the car sold regardless of the cause of the delay in PX value.

A average salesman would ring the customer back and at least update that the car they had enquired about had been sold... Let alone try to find an alternative car to sell to the customer.

Ah. I hear you

[Vroomer]

WG said:

I just find it a shame that there seems to be much schadenfreud being expressed by a number of contributors who seem to be enjoying the fact that ( in their opinion) OPC’s and Porsche themselves have misread the market and are now being left with surplus stock which ( again in their opinion) is going to be “ off loaded” at lower prices and maybe even a loss in some case.

It's not so much schadenfreude, as "you reap what you sow". Lots of us have been treated with indifference over the years, which has generated negative feelings rather than goodwill. Failure to return calls/emails seems to have been the rule rather than the exception.

[981Boxess]

First Sea Lord said:

981Boxess said:

GT4RS said:

donutskidmark said:

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

That sounds more like an arrogance that comes with having had it far too easy for far too long and not 'needing' customers.

The East London salesperson may have been waiting for the dealership or group buyer to tell them what the PX value would be. It shouldn't take that long but if only one person is allowed to give PX figures then there might have been a delay

The reason they have been getting away with it for so long is people are far too quick to make excuses for a serious lack of customer care.

[GT4RS]

981Boxess said:

First Sea Lord said:

981Boxess said:

GT4RS said:

donutskidmark said:

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

That sounds more like an arrogance that comes with having had it far too easy for far too long and not 'needing' customers.

The East London salesperson may have been waiting for the dealership or group buyer to tell them what the PX value would be. It shouldn't take that long but if only one person is allowed to give PX figures then there might have been a delay

The reason they have been getting away with it for so long is people are far too quick to make excuses for a serious lack of customer care.

I bet if you put a complaint on there Google page you would soon get a reply 🤣

[981Boxess]

GT4RS said:

981Boxess said:

First Sea Lord said:

981Boxess said:

GT4RS said:

donutskidmark said:

I recall OPC East London had a 991 GT2RS for sale a while back now.
I rang them up and spoke to a salesman, I told him I was interested in buying the GT2RS
and asked him what trade in price he would give me for my 991.2 GT3RS.
He took all my details and said he’d get a price and ring me straight back.
I never heard another thing from him.
I just could not believe a potential customer looking to buy a £300k + car is subsequently
ignored.
I was so annoyed I rang him back a day or two later and he simply said ‘ I sold the car’-
Out of courtesy you’d have thought he would at least return my initial call- but no.
I can certainly see the attraction of avoiding OPC’s.

That can only be put down to a salesperson lacking in sales experience. Porsche grew quickly due to the Taycan and Macan, they had to draw in sales people quickly.

That sounds more like an arrogance that comes with having had it far too easy for far too long and not 'needing' customers.

The East London salesperson may have been waiting for the dealership or group buyer to tell them what the PX value would be. It shouldn't take that long but if only one person is allowed to give PX figures then there might have been a delay

The reason they have been getting away with it for so long is people are far too quick to make excuses for a serious lack of customer care.

I bet if you put a complaint on there Google page you would soon get a reply ??

Why should I have to?

[ChrisW.]

Vroomer said:

WG said:

I just find it a shame that there seems to be much schadenfreud being expressed by a number of contributors who seem to be enjoying the fact that ( in their opinion) OPC’s and Porsche themselves have misread the market and are now being left with surplus stock which ( again in their opinion) is going to be “ off loaded” at lower prices and maybe even a loss in some case.

It's not so much schadenfreude, as "you reap what you sow". Lots of us have been treated with indifference over the years, which has generated negative feelings rather than goodwill. Failure to return calls/emails seems to have been the rule rather than the exception.

My experience has also been very poor ... mainly based around their refusing to take an order from me for the timely upgrade of my 987 Cayman R and then a 981GT4 which I had bought from them for any new Porsche GT car ... I was in fact told simply that I hadn't bought enough cars and that I didn't have enough points for having my car serviced by them or trading my old car back into them. Of course, with that logic, once off the ladder how can one ever climb back on ?
Answer, buy cars that you don't want ? Incredible when although I own a lot of cars, my main interest is classics which they would never have in their showroom. Hence I still have my 981 GT4 which I have modified to suit me ... modified by specialists which my feckless OPC are not. Evidence faulty re-fitting of front PU on 996 GT3RS and even "diagonally" fitted front number plate on a 991.2 GT3 CS ... both bought secondhand from private sellers ...

In the spirit of balance my challenge is simply this ...

Who has a positive experience of their OPC ??? Please tell ....

[Chemical Ali]

As numerous above.

16 days and deposit not back after I withdrew from a purchase. Have now raised with porschd hq and opened a case. Really didn't want to as I didn't want to burn bridges. Shame.

[TTmonkey]

ChrisW. said:

My experience has also been very poor ... mainly based around their refusing to take an order from me for the timely upgrade of my 987 Cayman R and then a 981GT4 which I had bought from them for any new Porsche GT car ... I was in fact told simply that I hadn't bought enough cars and that I didn't have enough points for having my car serviced by them or trading my old car back into them. Of course, with that logic, once off the ladder how can one ever climb back on ?
Answer, buy cars that you don't want ? Incredible when although I own a lot of cars, my main interest is classics which they would never have in their showroom. Hence I still have my 981 GT4 which I have modified to suit me ... modified by specialists which my feckless OPC are not. Evidence faulty re-fitting of front PU on 996 GT3RS and even "diagonally" fitted front number plate on a 991.2 GT3 CS ... both bought secondhand from private sellers ...

In the spirit of balance my challenge is simply this ...

Who has a positive experience of their OPC ??? Please tell ....

Mine was surprisingly good. But I haven’t really tested them yet.,

Deposit returned with three days when I realised I preferred the look of a 45k 981GTS to a near 90k 718.

[ChrisW.]

ChrisW. said:

Vroomer said:

WG said:

I just find it a shame that there seems to be much schadenfreud being expressed by a number of contributors who seem to be enjoying the fact that ( in their opinion) OPC’s and Porsche themselves have misread the market and are now being left with surplus stock which ( again in their opinion) is going to be “ off loaded” at lower prices and maybe even a loss in some case.

It's not so much schadenfreude, as "you reap what you sow". Lots of us have been treated with indifference over the years, which has generated negative feelings rather than goodwill. Failure to return calls/emails seems to have been the rule rather than the exception.

My experience has also been very poor ... mainly based around their refusing to take an order from me for the timely upgrade of my 987 Cayman R and then a 981GT4 which I had bought from them for any new Porsche GT car ... I was in fact told simply that I hadn't bought enough cars and that I didn't have enough points for having my car serviced by them or trading my old car back into them. Of course, with that logic, once off the ladder how can one ever climb back on ?
Answer, buy cars that you don't want ? Incredible when although I own a lot of cars, my main interest is classics which they would never have in their showroom. Hence I still have my 981 GT4 which I have modified to suit me ... modified by specialists which my feckless OPC are not. Evidence faulty re-fitting of front PU on 996 GT3RS and even "diagonally" fitted front number plate on a 991.2 GT3 CS ... both bought secondhand from private sellers ...

In the spirit of balance my challenge is simply this ...

Who has a positive experience of their OPC ??? Please tell ....

In reply to myself, in the early stages of my interest in Porsche I had a great relationship with my sales person from whom I had bought a new 924 many years ago ... right up to ordering my GT4. I also had very good service from the service department on a 987 Spyder that I had just finished running-in and required its 12 year service ... so wanted an OPC stamp in the service handbook ... and most recently popped in and had had a good conversation with an attentive person who had nothing to do with sales, but they still wouldn't sell me a new GT car at list !

One day ??

[numtumfutunch]

ChrisW. said:

My experience has also been very poor ...

"Stuff, stuff"

In the spirit of balance my challenge is simply this ...

Who has a positive experience of their OPC ??? Please tell ....

Me actually when last looking for a dog car just before Covid

I spent over half an hour waiting in my local Mercedes dealer after the receptionist took my details for a salesperson to appear, despite it being deserted, to no avail so went to Porsche just down the road where I could not have been made more welcome.

Me and the kids were offered drinks and snacks whilst having a look at their stock with no pressure whatsoever just some nice small talk about cars, the salesman was obviously a proper petrol head.

Nice as their cars were we wanted a conventional estate so eventually bought a 5 series - absolutely no way would I ever walk into MB unless something major changes.

Interestingly both dealers are owned by the same group

Cheers