EVs... no one wants them!
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GT9 said:
To be clear, my point is that carbon footprint of e-fuel has a high entry point, either because the fuel is reconstituted natural gas (i.e. blue or grey hydrogen) combined with CO2 of questionable source, or the manufacturing and installation footprint of the very substantial new infrastructure required to produce it truly renewably has its own high footprint (on a per litre basis).
The timeline to get to low carbon e-fuel is too long and too expensive to save the majority of existing ICEs.
If we are talking a handful of TVRs, petrol probably achieves the same carbon footprint per litre for the foreseeable future.
in which case, what exactly is the point other than profiteering?
This article illustrates the "very substantial new infrastructure" for Direct Air Capture:The timeline to get to low carbon e-fuel is too long and too expensive to save the majority of existing ICEs.
If we are talking a handful of TVRs, petrol probably achieves the same carbon footprint per litre for the foreseeable future.
in which case, what exactly is the point other than profiteering?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/1...
The energy consumption must be huge as well - excavating, transporting, crushing and then heating tons of limestone to 1600 deg C
In terms of the energy returned on the energy invested, making fuel using such a process must be hugely negative.
GT9 said:
otolith said:
I think perhaps they accidentally bought a lead-acid powered milk float.
Careful, ban hammer fell on last poster who mentioned that word.TBF, you'd probably need to post it another 374 times to catch up with him.
DriveSnowdonia said:
Would hate to think how much that would cost to install across the UK motorway network, plus the huge cost to maintain such infrastructure and the potential for accidents or weather related damage to cause chaos. And how much would the carbon footprint be to manufacture all of that steel - in China of course as the UK is busy dismantling our steel production capacity?
Pretty much what I was going to put. I can see it now. I'd expect us to come up with some eye watering price like £80bn to complete all the major routes and complete in 20 years.
Fast forward to 2045, the M1 has been totally unusable for 20 years, with only a 100 mile stretch complete. They did manage between Heathrow and Gatwick on the M25 too but also set a record with a traffic jam that lasted 14 days and claimed 26 lives. A good portion of the M6 toll is complete but it's now £102.25 per trip.
Whole thing already cost £170bn too.
TikTak said:
DriveSnowdonia said:
Would hate to think how much that would cost to install across the UK motorway network, plus the huge cost to maintain such infrastructure and the potential for accidents or weather related damage to cause chaos. And how much would the carbon footprint be to manufacture all of that steel - in China of course as the UK is busy dismantling our steel production capacity?
Pretty much what I was going to put. I can see it now. I'd expect us to come up with some eye watering price like £80bn to complete all the major routes and complete in 20 years.
Fast forward to 2045, the M1 has been totally unusable for 20 years, with only a 100 mile stretch complete. They did manage between Heathrow and Gatwick on the M25 too but also set a record with a traffic jam that lasted 14 days and claimed 26 lives. A good portion of the M6 toll is complete but it's now £102.25 per trip.
Whole thing already cost £170bn too.
And everything has an opportunity cost attached.
tamore said:
sounds a bit more like it, especially as germany are rolling out 1000 megawatt truck chargers.
1000 megawatts? Christ if they kitted them out with flux capacitors, they might be capable of time travel! It was 1.21 gigawatts wasn't it, so pretty close.Edited by wyson on Wednesday 22 November 11:22
This’ll most likely generate lots of passive aggression from the usual suspects, hopefully directed towards the mayor of London
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/28/electr...
“ Vehicles with larger batteries are set to pay more due to having a higher carbon footprint during their construction, taking up more space and causing more wear and tear to the road.”
At last, some sense. Tax these monsters off the road.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/28/electr...
“ Vehicles with larger batteries are set to pay more due to having a higher carbon footprint during their construction, taking up more space and causing more wear and tear to the road.”
At last, some sense. Tax these monsters off the road.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 28th November 17:40
https://x.com/gregkable/status/1729421585424027906...
Germany proposes new law to cap charger speeds at times of peak demand
The German government has proposed an "electricity rationalisation" act for 2024. It would require charger operators to cap charging speeds of EVs to "50km (31 miles) in two hours of charging" at times when the electricity network is overloaded.
Germany proposes new law to cap charger speeds at times of peak demand
The German government has proposed an "electricity rationalisation" act for 2024. It would require charger operators to cap charging speeds of EVs to "50km (31 miles) in two hours of charging" at times when the electricity network is overloaded.
TTmonkey said:
We really don’t need massive batteries. We need faster charging. So I like that idea.
Or smaller cars, more appropriate for an urban environment. https://www.renaultgroup.com/en/news-on-air/news/t...wormus said:
This’ll most likely generate lots of passive aggression from the usual suspects, hopefully directed towards the mayor of London
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/28/electr...
“ Vehicles with larger batteries are set to pay more due to having a higher carbon footprint during their construction, taking up more space and causing more wear and tear to the road.”
At last, some sense. Tax these monsters off the road.
Article seems a bit thin on what the charges for ICEs will be? Telegraph FUDding about EVs again? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/28/electr...
“ Vehicles with larger batteries are set to pay more due to having a higher carbon footprint during their construction, taking up more space and causing more wear and tear to the road.”
At last, some sense. Tax these monsters off the road.
Earthdweller said:
https://x.com/gregkable/status/1729421585424027906...
Germany proposes new law to cap charger speeds at times of peak demand
The German government has proposed an "electricity rationalisation" act for 2024. It would require charger operators to cap charging speeds of EVs to "50km (31 miles) in two hours of charging" at times when the electricity network is overloaded.
That's dumb. How can the charger know how many km/kWh the plugged-in car will do ? If anything, the proposal would simply be to cap the charge rate at 5kW.Germany proposes new law to cap charger speeds at times of peak demand
The German government has proposed an "electricity rationalisation" act for 2024. It would require charger operators to cap charging speeds of EVs to "50km (31 miles) in two hours of charging" at times when the electricity network is overloaded.
Earthdweller said:
https://x.com/gregkable/status/1729421585424027906...
Germany proposes new law to cap charger speeds at times of peak demand
The German government has proposed an "electricity rationalisation" act for 2024. It would require charger operators to cap charging speeds of EVs to "50km (31 miles) in two hours of charging" at times when the electricity network is overloaded.
There is already EU wide law in place that allows the restriction of all forms of energy if that will impact critical requirements. This is the latest draft for further changes coming for Germany.Germany proposes new law to cap charger speeds at times of peak demand
The German government has proposed an "electricity rationalisation" act for 2024. It would require charger operators to cap charging speeds of EVs to "50km (31 miles) in two hours of charging" at times when the electricity network is overloaded.
Update of the integrated national Energy and climate plan
https://commission.europa.eu/system/files/2023-11/...
Since this was written the German courts have ruled that €60 billion of the funding is illegal and cannot be assigned, throwing the whole investment plan and government into chaos.
Edited by 520TORQUES on Tuesday 28th November 18:24
otolith said:
wormus said:
This’ll most likely generate lots of passive aggression from the usual suspects, hopefully directed towards the mayor of London
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/28/electr...
“ Vehicles with larger batteries are set to pay more due to having a higher carbon footprint during their construction, taking up more space and causing more wear and tear to the road.”
At last, some sense. Tax these monsters off the road.
Article seems a bit thin on what the charges for ICEs will be? Telegraph FUDding about EVs again? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/28/electr...
“ Vehicles with larger batteries are set to pay more due to having a higher carbon footprint during their construction, taking up more space and causing more wear and tear to the road.”
At last, some sense. Tax these monsters off the road.
Current annual resident permit is £166, or £117.50 for engines under 1200cc, EVs free.
The proposal is to put EVs into two lower bands of £40 or £80 for the year, the lower band for battery sizes under 70 kWh.
So a better summary might be 'Cash-strapped council considering charging residents for EV parking permits at 25% or 50% of the ICE rate depending on battery size".
Separately, for hourly on-street parking the current exemption which allows EVs to be parked for the maximum period after buying the minimum available ticket is to be withdrawn; EVs will now be charged £4.62 an hour to park, compared to a minimum of £5.28 an hour for the lowest-emitting ICEs.
Basically as with central govt they can see their revenue running away as people shift to EVs, so are taking steps to shore it up.
Edited by samoht on Tuesday 28th November 18:29
Earthdweller said:
https://x.com/gregkable/status/1729421585424027906...
Germany proposes new law to cap charger speeds at times of peak demand
The German government has proposed an "electricity rationalisation" act for 2024. It would require charger operators to cap charging speeds of EVs to "50km (31 miles) in two hours of charging" at times when the electricity network is overloaded.
Only applies to non-public chargers, i.e home chargers. Most of which dont charge much faster than that anyways and are mostly utilised when the electricity capacity isnt strained (at night).Germany proposes new law to cap charger speeds at times of peak demand
The German government has proposed an "electricity rationalisation" act for 2024. It would require charger operators to cap charging speeds of EVs to "50km (31 miles) in two hours of charging" at times when the electricity network is overloaded.
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