RE: Super-fast for £50k | Six of the Best
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RonnieHotdogs said:
A two year old Alfa for £46k? They're depreciating fairly quickly now, but doesn't help they've increased in price significantly in the last 3 years.
Owned one before, and for me it'd be between that and the C63.
Exactly the same thought I had Owned one before, and for me it'd be between that and the C63.
A few years back I was in Mercedes World and they had an S63 coupe indoors. I thought it was a C63S. I still haven't worked out what's the difference. They look the same.
leef44 said:
Exactly the same thought I had
A few years back I was in Mercedes World and they had an S63 coupe indoors. I thought it was a C63S. I still haven't worked out what's the difference. They look the same.
It's hard to work out what the price of a new QV is. Headline says £80-£85k but pre-reg stuff seems to be as low as £65k, ex-demo £63k. A few years back I was in Mercedes World and they had an S63 coupe indoors. I thought it was a C63S. I still haven't worked out what's the difference. They look the same.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405119...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403267...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308150...
Glenn63 said:
My, albeit modified, M140 would be quicker than most of those for less than half the price. I’d love a go in a caterham 620r for a day I bet they’re an absolute riot!
Yes but yours is a run of the mill compact BMW, these are stand out cars in their own way,( not meaning to be rude by the way. )200Plus Club said:
Glenn63 said:
My, albeit modified, M140 would be quicker than most of those for less than half the price. I’d love a go in a caterham 620r for a day I bet they’re an absolute riot!
Yes but yours is a run of the mill compact BMW, these are stand out cars in their own way,( not meaning to be rude by the way. )fflump said:
leef44 said:
Exactly the same thought I had
A few years back I was in Mercedes World and they had an S63 coupe indoors. I thought it was a C63S. I still haven't worked out what's the difference. They look the same.
It's hard to work out what the price of a new QV is. Headline says £80-£85k but pre-reg stuff seems to be as low as £65k, ex-demo £63k. A few years back I was in Mercedes World and they had an S63 coupe indoors. I thought it was a C63S. I still haven't worked out what's the difference. They look the same.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405119...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403267...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308150...
fflump said:
200Plus Club said:
Glenn63 said:
My, albeit modified, M140 would be quicker than most of those for less than half the price. I’d love a go in a caterham 620r for a day I bet they’re an absolute riot!
Yes but yours is a run of the mill compact BMW, these are stand out cars in their own way,( not meaning to be rude by the way. )M3 here is identical interior, almost identical drivetrain same 3ltr 6, handle handle better out the box but If also modded suspension and it’s been faster than F80’s on track.
QV I’d really fancy as a new daily and GTR as always been an itch to scratch, but with the performance I have for half the price it doesn’t make sense to change. Except for something completely different like the Caterham.
Glenn63 said:
Correct, but Iv had a C63 the older 6.2 though and the M140 better in every way bar sound.
M3 here is identical interior, almost identical drivetrain same 3ltr 6, handle handle better out the box but If also modded suspension and it’s been faster than F80’s on track.
QV I’d really fancy as a new daily and GTR as always been an itch to scratch, but with the performance I have for half the price it doesn’t make sense to change. Except for something completely different like the Caterham.
Except it isn’t the same 3ltr 6. Or the same drive train. They’re incomparable. And yes, I’ve had both. M3 here is identical interior, almost identical drivetrain same 3ltr 6, handle handle better out the box but If also modded suspension and it’s been faster than F80’s on track.
QV I’d really fancy as a new daily and GTR as always been an itch to scratch, but with the performance I have for half the price it doesn’t make sense to change. Except for something completely different like the Caterham.
Billy_Whizzzz said:
Glenn63 said:
Correct, but Iv had a C63 the older 6.2 though and the M140 better in every way bar sound.
M3 here is identical interior, almost identical drivetrain same 3ltr 6, handle handle better out the box but If also modded suspension and it’s been faster than F80’s on track.
QV I’d really fancy as a new daily and GTR as always been an itch to scratch, but with the performance I have for half the price it doesn’t make sense to change. Except for something completely different like the Caterham.
Except it isn’t the same 3ltr 6. Or the same drive train. They’re incomparable. And yes, I’ve had both. M3 here is identical interior, almost identical drivetrain same 3ltr 6, handle handle better out the box but If also modded suspension and it’s been faster than F80’s on track.
QV I’d really fancy as a new daily and GTR as always been an itch to scratch, but with the performance I have for half the price it doesn’t make sense to change. Except for something completely different like the Caterham.
leef44 said:
Exactly the same thought I had
A few years back I was in Mercedes World and they had an S63 coupe indoors. I thought it was a C63S. I still haven't worked out what's the difference. They look the same.
Externally quite similar shape but the S is deceptively large, it's like a 1.1 scale version A few years back I was in Mercedes World and they had an S63 coupe indoors. I thought it was a C63S. I still haven't worked out what's the difference. They look the same.
Internally S is another league both quality and aesthetically
S is the 5.5, C is the 4.0
(C63 owner, would love an S63 but the C63 running costs are already eye watering!)
jon-yprpe said:
Good luck - I tried, for some reason even C63 estates have all but disappeared let alone the ‘s’.
I wouldn't be too bothered about an S. I purposely chose a non-S estate to avoid the chocolate e-diffs that cost several thousand to replace when they fail. Two Mercedes specialists both said avoid the S on the diffs alone. Mine is remapped to c.585bhp, same as what an S maps to should 480/510bhp not be enough.
Glenn63 said:
Billy_Whizzzz said:
Glenn63 said:
Correct, but Iv had a C63 the older 6.2 though and the M140 better in every way bar sound.
M3 here is identical interior, almost identical drivetrain same 3ltr 6, handle handle better out the box but If also modded suspension and it’s been faster than F80’s on track.
QV I’d really fancy as a new daily and GTR as always been an itch to scratch, but with the performance I have for half the price it doesn’t make sense to change. Except for something completely different like the Caterham.
Except it isn’t the same 3ltr 6. Or the same drive train. They’re incomparable. And yes, I’ve had both. M3 here is identical interior, almost identical drivetrain same 3ltr 6, handle handle better out the box but If also modded suspension and it’s been faster than F80’s on track.
QV I’d really fancy as a new daily and GTR as always been an itch to scratch, but with the performance I have for half the price it doesn’t make sense to change. Except for something completely different like the Caterham.
Probably fair to say if you have modded an M140i to match a proper M car you are looking at brakes, cooling, tuning, suspension, LSD etc which is going to cost a good few £K. Enough to take your M140i to more than the cost of an M2/M4 in which case you would have an even better base to start with and just do the whole remap thing. It’s a never ending rabbit hole that gets silly to the point where the cars are nothing like the original. Start going down those rabbit holes and there is M2s doing 7min12 on the Nurburgring.
I’d imagine there are quite a number of cars where the right person could go faster than your M140i for half the cash again. Anyone who has done trackday knows how fast some hot hatches can go. There’s even an MX-5 that’s done a 7min33 on the Nurburgring
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