Misplaced Priorities?
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Last week at work the girl and manager of our body shop were verbally abused over the phone by a hysterical man, saying he was going to blow their heads off with his shotgun because he wouldnt paint the undamaged side of his car that had been in a smash...
The boss called the police who kindly sent two coppers down to have a chat with him.. The girl had been taken home by this point.
unfortunately they were rather understaffed and couldn't do anything - something I find hard to believe.. Could they not have popped round to the guys place and hard a word? They did, however, say that if he showed up to give them a call... "Before of after he pulls the trigger?" was the bosses sarky reply
He wasnt really over re-acting as two weeks previous some one was shot and killed yards up the road...
Then, two days later there was about 30 or more police at the bottom of a big dual carriage way, by the bodyshop, away from anything residential, nicking speeding cars.. Many of the BiB just stood round chatting and a couple on bikes sat at the start of the dual carriage way so it was painfully obvious they were there..
This isnt intended to start a "Coppers are useless" thread but I am wondering why they couldnt do anything??
Not really doing you any favours in the public eyes this type of thing is it...
The boss called the police who kindly sent two coppers down to have a chat with him.. The girl had been taken home by this point.
unfortunately they were rather understaffed and couldn't do anything - something I find hard to believe.. Could they not have popped round to the guys place and hard a word? They did, however, say that if he showed up to give them a call... "Before of after he pulls the trigger?" was the bosses sarky reply
He wasnt really over re-acting as two weeks previous some one was shot and killed yards up the road...
Then, two days later there was about 30 or more police at the bottom of a big dual carriage way, by the bodyshop, away from anything residential, nicking speeding cars.. Many of the BiB just stood round chatting and a couple on bikes sat at the start of the dual carriage way so it was painfully obvious they were there..
This isnt intended to start a "Coppers are useless" thread but I am wondering why they couldnt do anything??
Not really doing you any favours in the public eyes this type of thing is it...
The fact you got two BiB round is something...
Without proof..there is nothing much the BiB could have done about the caller on that occasion.
I mean, if someone is going to shoot someone over something so trivial, then a visit from the local police isn't going to dissuade them.
Street
Without proof..there is nothing much the BiB could have done about the caller on that occasion.
I mean, if someone is going to shoot someone over something so trivial, then a visit from the local police isn't going to dissuade them.
Street
We had a slightly similar thing last year.
We were burgled and they were diturbed during the burglary by a neighbour and didnt get all the stuff they obviously came for.
A week later I was travelling and my other half was in the house. She had sen a van parked out side a few times on the opposite side. She had asked the neighbours and noone knew anything about it and she didnt want to approach the 3 lads sat in it.
She called the police and they said they havent even got the resources to do a drive by please call back if burgled again. So much for crime prevention!!
Later that week 3 cars and 2 bikes pulling speeders just doen the road for about 4 hours. Then just to really take the p155 we got our Council Tax bill!
We were burgled and they were diturbed during the burglary by a neighbour and didnt get all the stuff they obviously came for.
A week later I was travelling and my other half was in the house. She had sen a van parked out side a few times on the opposite side. She had asked the neighbours and noone knew anything about it and she didnt want to approach the 3 lads sat in it.
She called the police and they said they havent even got the resources to do a drive by please call back if burgled again. So much for crime prevention!!
Later that week 3 cars and 2 bikes pulling speeders just doen the road for about 4 hours. Then just to really take the p155 we got our Council Tax bill!
Streetcop said:
The fact you got two BiB round is something...
Without proof..there is nothing much the BiB could have done about the caller on that occasion.
I mean, if someone is going to shoot someone over something so trivial, then a visit from the local police isn't going to dissuade them.
Street
Based on the original post content.
So a statement from two victims who had been quote "verbally abused" isn't enough then. hmmmmmm
Presumably the body shop knows the name and contact details of the vehicle keeper, otherwise how.....
Presumably then a cross-check on the firearms register so.....
I'll not go on otherwise I'll be accused of wanting to go on Mastermind, specialist subject "Stating the bleeding obvious" courtesy Basil Fawlty.
SC, quite frankly that was a set of damn stupid comments. You should be ashamed.
FiF
Flat in Fifth said:
The fact you got two BiB round is something...
Without proof..there is nothing much the BiB could have done about the caller on that occasion.
I mean, if someone is going to shoot someone over something so trivial, then a visit from the local police isn't going to dissuade them.
Street
Based on the original post content.
So a statement from two victims who had been quote "verbally abused" isn't enough then. hmmmmmm
Quite frankly 'No'. Have you been to court lately? Have you seen the level of proof needed for a conviction lately?
flatinfilth said:
SC, quite frankly that was a set of damn stupid comments. You should be ashamed.
FiF
I cannot be ashamed of reporting the facts. Proof, proof and proof. That is what is required. If the message had been left on an answerphone, then we might be getting somewhere. But the offence in question would be 'threats to kill'. In the circumstances explained, the CPS wouldn't even take it to court, let alone the case result in a conviction.
Before you jump down my throat again...remember I'm giving you the ground level answers from the experience I've had and the experience of others. I don't like it too...but that doensn't change reality..
Street
I would recommend any Pistonheader go along to a magistrates court for a day and sit in the public gallery. You'll leave armed with a bit more info on our 'criminal justice system'
..I've always read it as flat in filth..until now...sorry..The ONLY way of getting this type of issue into the public domain is to get your local paper involved. The council doesn't like it, the [senior] BiB's don't like it and the Government certainly doesn't like it, but I fail to see what option people have.
Exactly whow ould make up such an accusation? To suggest, Streetcop, that nothing more can be done is, frankly, shameful.
Exactly whow ould make up such an accusation? To suggest, Streetcop, that nothing more can be done is, frankly, shameful.
It's not a case of 'nothing can be done.'
The bloke in question should have been spoken to by the BiB at the very least.
However, threats made over the telephone are virtually impossible to bring to court let alone get a conviction. Fact, fact, fact....
I don't like it as much as you...but I'm not ashamed to tell you you truth.
Street
The bloke in question should have been spoken to by the BiB at the very least.
However, threats made over the telephone are virtually impossible to bring to court let alone get a conviction. Fact, fact, fact....
I don't like it as much as you...but I'm not ashamed to tell you you truth.
Street
Streetcop said:
It's not a case of 'nothing can be done.'
The bloke in question should have been spoken to by the BiB at the very least.
However, threats made over the telephone are virtually impossible to bring to court let alone get a conviction. Fact, fact, fact....
I don't like it as much as you...but I'm not ashamed to tell you you truth.
Street
So we have a situation whereby we enforce those laws that we can easily enforce (speeding drivers) rather than those laws which any decent, normal person would consider to be in the interest of the country (threats to kill)?
Shameful is the only word for it.
ca092003 said:
So we have a situation whereby we enforce those laws that we can easily enforce (speeding drivers) rather than those laws which any decent, normal person would consider to be in the interest of the country (threats to kill)?
Shameful is the only word for it.
You also have to prove things beyond all reasonable doubt....the law I'm afraid. The same law that I saw someone walk free from court only last week....
I suggest your complaints should be made to;
www.cps.gov.uk/
Street
Streetcop said:
So we have a situation whereby we enforce those laws that we can easily enforce (speeding drivers) rather than those laws which any decent, normal person would consider to be in the interest of the country (threats to kill)?
Shameful is the only word for it.
You also have to prove things beyond all reasonable doubt....the law I'm afraid. The same law that I saw someone walk free from court only last week....
I suggest your complaints should be made to;
www.cps.gov.uk/
Street
Streetcop
The role of the Police Service is to uphold the law and investigate criminal acts. Prosecutions are for the CPS.
By effectively refusing to get involved it makes the whole issue about reforming the CJS so much harder.
When someone finally realises o the scale of the manpower involved in investigating such crimes, then and only then will the politicians wake up to the fact that the system isn't working.
Streetcop said:
When someone finally realises o the scale of the manpower involved in investigating such crimes, then and only then will the politicians wake up to the fact that the system isn't working.
I agree...however, I think we'll see this before that:
Street
Not so. We could start in the right direction by the police investigating allegations of serious crimes.
Streetcop,
I'll accept your apology, thank you.
Now the metaphorical hugs and kisses are out of the way back to the discussion.
The discussion has moved on from when I left in a huff but as you admit the chap should have been spoken to.
It's called investigation, building up a case. They might even have a got a straight cough and discovered other offences to boot.
How many prosecutions, for other than (cough) certain motoring and other FPN offences are total certs right from minute one day one?
Setting aside for a moment the lamentable state of the Criminal Justice System and the attitude of the Criminal Protection Service.
To take what my elder bro would call the "gaffer's attitude" I honestly feel that to justify lack of activity in a case such as this is to avoid dealing with the issue of what in my old fashioned terms could be considered sheer bone idleness by the relevant individuals tasked to talk to the complainant.
FiF (or is Fi5 better?)
I'll accept your apology, thank you.
Now the metaphorical hugs and kisses are out of the way back to the discussion.
The discussion has moved on from when I left in a huff but as you admit the chap should have been spoken to.
It's called investigation, building up a case. They might even have a got a straight cough and discovered other offences to boot.
How many prosecutions, for other than (cough) certain motoring and other FPN offences are total certs right from minute one day one?
Setting aside for a moment the lamentable state of the Criminal Justice System and the attitude of the Criminal Protection Service.
To take what my elder bro would call the "gaffer's attitude" I honestly feel that to justify lack of activity in a case such as this is to avoid dealing with the issue of what in my old fashioned terms could be considered sheer bone idleness by the relevant individuals tasked to talk to the complainant.
FiF (or is Fi5 better?)
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