RE: Controversial road safety law falls

RE: Controversial road safety law falls

Thursday 7th April 2005

Controversial road safety law falls

Election means anti-detector bill runs out of time


Saved by the bill
Saved by the bill
The widely discussed Road Safety Bill has run out of time and failed according to the epolitix parliamentary Web site (link below).

The main features of the failed bill included:

  • Enabled roadside evidential breath testing
  • Introduced graduated fixed penalties for speed limit offences
  • Banned speed enforcement detection devices
  • Added three licence points to mobile phone offences

Safe Speed road safety campaign founder Paul Smith said: "Like many things in road safety, the 'obvious' view often proves to be wrong, and much of this bill was actually likely to make road safety worse. Good riddance!

"The road safety bill represented the culmination and extension of a decade's flawed and oversimplified thinking at the highest levels in UK road safety. National road safety policy over the last decade has been a disaster propped up only with millions of pounds spent on spin and twisted statistics. Any decent policy would have driven road deaths down, but instead we've had the £700 million pound speed camera programme which has actually made the roads more dangerous. Deaths are UP.

"Let's make sure we see the end of oversimplified thinking with the forthcoming general election. We have to get back to the policies that gave us the safest roads in the world in the first place."

More at epolitix

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james_j

Original Poster:

3,996 posts

257 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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That's good, but one step at a time.

Now, don't let them (same old Labour) get back in again thus allowing them to turn up the heat even more with their flawed (or police state?) logic.

AlexRWD

1,254 posts

239 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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Excellent news!

So can keep using my Bel Euro 550 (legally) for a bit longer

Shnozz

27,595 posts

273 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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superb!

Mudflap

36 posts

233 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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Great news. Just got to get BLiar and his cronies out now.
Less scameras and more plod policing our roads making them safer and not just a profitable exercise, or as I read on another site more Kojak less Kodak.

grahambell

2,718 posts

277 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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Before you all get carried away with thinking that voting Tory will see the end of speed cameras you might like to consider this.

We've had 8 years of New Labour bullshit, but we've had 10 years of speed cameras.

So have you worked out yet who introduced the bloody things in the first place. Yep - Howard's lot. Who also inroduced tax on car insurance. The motorist's friend? I think not.



S Works

10,166 posts

252 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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Well I'm not planning on voting for any of those idiots so that won't matter.

Glad to see the back of this... for a while at least

cptsideways

13,574 posts

254 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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Time to get the snoopers out of their boxes again

gh0st

4,693 posts

260 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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cptsideways said:
Time to get the snoopers out of their boxes again


Mine never went away

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

236 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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grahambell said:
Before you all get carried away with thinking that voting Tory will see the end of speed cameras you might like to consider this.

We've had 8 years of New Labour bullshit, but we've had 10 years of speed cameras.

So have you worked out yet who introduced the bloody things in the first place. Yep - Howard's lot. Who also inroduced tax on car insurance. The motorist's friend? I think not.





Speed cameras were around in Manchester in 1993. It was also the Tories who introduced the fuel tax escalator. The main difference is that the Labour government were only forced into submission by the fuel protests, and that the Labour government has overseen a massive increase in the number of cameras, something I'm not sure that would have happened under the Tories.

sketchytrail

21 posts

233 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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Agree in the most part.....but wouldn't the bit adding three points for mobile phone offences have been good

S Works

10,166 posts

252 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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sketchytrail said:
Agree in the most part.....but wouldn't the bit adding three points for mobile phone offences have been good

Yeah, when they introduce the same for lighting up/having a fag behind the wheel.

Cooperman

4,428 posts

252 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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sketchytrail said:
Agree in the most part.....but wouldn't the bit adding three points for mobile phone offences have been good


No, because the offence of driving without due care and attention, which attracts 3 points, can be applied in cases where using a mobile can be proved to be the cause of such driving. There was no need for a mobile ban in the first place, the law to deal with it already exists. It's just that B'liar and his cronies just like making more laws to dumb us down still further.

Mad Dave

7,158 posts

265 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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S Works said:

sketchytrail said:
Agree in the most part.....but wouldn't the bit adding three points for mobile phone offences have been good


Yeah, when they introduce the same for lighting up/having a fag behind the wheel.


Can open, worms everywhere...

sketchytrail

21 posts

233 months

Thursday 7th April 2005
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Mad Dave said:

S Works said:


sketchytrail said:
Agree in the most part.....but wouldn't the bit adding three points for mobile phone offences have been good



Yeah, when they introduce the same for lighting up/having a fag behind the wheel.



Can open, worms everywhere...


O.K. I'll not mention it again
It's just the normal frustration that goes along with the fact that so many people are ignoring it because they either think they won't get caught or that it's not really a problem in the first place

More police watching for them would solve the problem at source I suppose....

M3BHP

21 posts

232 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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So how many more years can we expect these to remain legal - Is it inevitable that the nanny state will eventally outlaw all detectors?

AlexRWD

1,254 posts

239 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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M3BHP said:
So how many more years can we expect these to remain legal - Is it inevitable that the nanny state will eventally outlaw all detectors?


We need Jeremy Clarkson to run for government

maxrider

2,481 posts

238 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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grahambell said:
Before you all get carried away with thinking that voting Tory will see the end of speed cameras you might like to consider this.

We've had 8 years of New Labour bullshit, but we've had 10 years of speed cameras.

So have you worked out yet who introduced the bloody things in the first place. Yep - Howard's lot. Who also inroduced tax on car insurance. The motorist's friend? I think not.






The tories may have introduced them but who has ABUSED them?
Of all 3 parties the tories are the most driver friendly.

BliarOut

72,857 posts

241 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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Does this mean jammers aren't illegal yet?

Yes, I know the police use PCJ, but it's not been put to the test in the courts yet.

Bryan35

1,906 posts

243 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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Friend of mine worked 'photographic unit' bit of the police force when cameras were first introduced. An example of how cameras were used was that very few had film in them at all, and one that did which resided in a 40MPH zone was set to trigger at 60MPH.
The cameras therefore caught the people that the police were after. HOWEVER since labour got in speed limits had dropped, talivans have appeared, and SCP have ben set up.

They weren't about money in the beginning!

james_j

Original Poster:

3,996 posts

257 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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M3BHP said:
So how many more years can we expect these to remain legal - Is it inevitable that the nanny state will eventally outlaw all detectors?


Nothing's inevitable.

It just needs enough people to be active in their dislike for a draconian law for it not to happen. The government will only do something if they can get away with it.