Pedestrian fatality 42 in a 30 - Speed Kills
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Seems a marked police car doing 42 in a 30 hit a pedestrian who died. It wasn't a blue light run or an emergency.
Outcome was management advice and a driver improvement course:
https://policeconduct.gov.uk/recommendations/fatal...
Outcome was management advice and a driver improvement course:
https://policeconduct.gov.uk/recommendations/fatal...
carinaman said:
Seems a marked police car doing 42 in a 30 hit a pedestrian who died. It wasn't a blue light run or an emergency.
Outcome was manage ment advice and a driver improvement course:
https://policeconduct.gov.uk/recommendations/fatal...
What it pointedly doesn't say is the driver was doing 42 immediately before or at the time of the collision. All it says is prior to which is not quite the same. Outcome was manage ment advice and a driver improvement course:
https://policeconduct.gov.uk/recommendations/fatal...
Wasn't looking at his speedometer and thought he was driving at or around the limit at the time - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
Travelling at 42 mph prior to the incident and calculated to be 36 mph at impact - https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/sites/default/fil...
Travelling at 42 mph prior to the incident and calculated to be 36 mph at impact - https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/sites/default/fil...
Graveworm said:
What it pointedly doesn't say is the driver was doing 42 immediately before or at the time of the collision. All it says is prior to which is not quite the same.
What it also says is...That link said:
We referred the matter to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) for them to consider offences of causing death by dangerous driving, causing death by driving without due care and attention, driving without due care and attention, and speeding. Two CPS prosecutors reviewed the case and concluded that there was no realistic prospect of conviction for any offence.
andThat link also said:
An inquest into the man’s death was held; the Coroner recorded a narrative finding.
In other words, it wasn't the driver's fault. Even with all the data logging and reconstruction, the CPS didn't think there was any evidence for even...The legal definition of Careless Driving said:
Driving that falls below the standard expected of a competent driver
or
Driving that does not show reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or pathways.
30mph = 14 metres per secondor
Driving that does not show reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or pathways.
42mph = 18 metres per second
So what did happen? The pedestrian just stepped out in front of a very visible car?
From the inquest...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
So he just stepped out onto a ped crossing despite the lights being green for traffic...
carinaman said:
Seems a marked police car doing 42 in a 30 hit a pedestrian who died. It wasn't a blue light run or an emergency.
Outcome was management advice and a driver improvement course:
https://policeconduct.gov.uk/recommendations/fatal...
Look on the bright side. The death of an individual has given you something to moan about with regards the police. Not quite win:win I know, but getting there.Outcome was management advice and a driver improvement course:
https://policeconduct.gov.uk/recommendations/fatal...
carinaman said:
What's the mention about Misconduct about then? Just the driving?
Yes - much lower standard of proof for a formal bking from your employer than for an actual criminal prosecution.Remember, this was an Astra panda, not a traffic car. AIUI, panda drivers don't actually need any training above a normal licence.
TooMany2cvs said:
Yes - much lower standard of proof for a formal bking from your employer than for an actual criminal prosecution.
Remember, this was an Astra panda, not a traffic car. AIUI, panda drivers don't actually need any training above a normal licence.
Depends on the role. A panda driver could have a basic driving authority which gets them from A-B. But some will have response driving with blues on. They could also have initial pursuit training along with covert response training and still drive a panda. Remember, this was an Astra panda, not a traffic car. AIUI, panda drivers don't actually need any training above a normal licence.
BBC News Website said:
Ms Pilkington said her family was "devastated" that there had been no prosecution despite evidence that the officer was speeding.
She was told black box recordings were not admissible evidence in criminal courts.
Black box recordings are not admissible in Courts?She was told black box recordings were not admissible evidence in criminal courts.
Yet Dashcam and Go Pro footage is?
Police officer worn video camera footage is admissible in Courts, but black box recordings aren't?
Flibble said:
I'd assume there's no calibration of black boxes, so they wouldn't be reliable enough to use as evidence.
There certainly is, and they did a ton of checks on it again afterwards, comparing to actual speed and the car's speedo. Hence the conclusion that the actual speed was 42 and speedo indicated speed was 45.The car had video but it hadn't worked for a while (since the engine was replaced) yet no-one had reported it.
You have to wonder why the cop wasn't even done for speeding. Wonder if he'd have had the gall to plead not guilty?
He'd also stuck his personal sat-nav on the screen in such a position as it would have failed MOT. The report wonders if that might have obscured his view of the pedestrian.
Willy Nilly said:
Was the pedestrian blind? How do you not see a marked police car?
It was dark. Witness reports say he started off across the two lane road but then appeared to realise the car was approaching in lane 2 faster than he'd realised.It reads like the police car pretty well just drove into him.
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