A46 crash two dead and 3 women charged with murder

[rallycross]

Saw this on the news.
What circumstances would they be charged for murder is this a road rage incident?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10514237/...

[Largechris]

rallycross said:

Saw this on the news.
What circumstances would they be charged for murder is this a road rage incident?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10514237/...

It caught my eye as well, must be something dramatic / premeditated as it’s almost impossible to be charged with murder using a car.

[S16KBW]

Largechris said:

It caught my eye as well, must be something dramatic / premeditated as it’s almost impossible to be charged with murder using a car.

Yeah murder would imply some form of premeditation, There must be some background dispute or something going on

[Castrol for a knave]

The mother looks like Peter Beardsley.

[eldar]

The local rumour is a number of cars, at least 4, racing or chasing each other.

Rumour, of course.

[QuartzDad]

Sounds like something was going on beforehand, Troon Way is a couple of miles from the crash site.

Officers are now appealing to anyone who saw three cars travelling in the area of Troon Way or Abbey Lane at around 1.25am, and on the A46 between the Thurmaston Shopping Centre and the Hobby Horse Island.

Enquiries to determine the exact routes that were taken by the cars are ongoing but officers say a silver Skoda Fabia, a grey Audi TT and a blue Seat Leon had been travelling at speed.

[Mo28]

eldar said:

The local rumour is a number of cars, at least 4, racing or chasing each other.

Rumour, of course.

From the tweets I've seen from the deceased's family/ friends, the two lads were being chased by the other two cars. Also, turns out the mother is an undercover police officer.

[dundarach]

Mo28 said:

Also, turns out the mother is an undercover police officer.

Eh?

[Southerner]

dundarach said:

Mo28 said:

Also, turns out the mother is an undercover police officer.

Eh?

Not for much longer, presumably!

[Krupp88]

Mo28 said:

From the tweets I've seen from the deceased's family/ friends, the two lads were being chased by the other two cars. Also, turns out the mother is an undercover police officer.

Some interesting theories being added to the comments of the daughters IG account, she isn't very popular for a 'influencer'!

[Largechris]

S16KBW said:

Largechris said:

It caught my eye as well, must be something dramatic / premeditated as it’s almost impossible to be charged with murder using a car.

Yeah murder would imply some form of premeditation, There must be some background dispute or something going on

There was a case a few years ago at Batchwood golf club in St Albans where a guy deliberately ran over, and reversed over, another guy (witnessed by members) and I'm not even sure he was done for attempted murder, can't find a link to it.

It's long been the case that if you need to kill someone in the UK, a car is the way to do it.

[FatboyKim]

rallycross said:

Saw this on the news.
What circumstances would they be charged for murder is this a road rage incident?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10514237/...

Ahh yes, TikTok. That toxic cesspool of clinical Narcissists. Literally no idea which is the mother and which is the daughter in those photos.

I did live in Leicester (Braunstone) for a number of years, and the place is an utterly lawless toilet overflowing with vile untrustworthy individuals. Twinned with Ilford, East London, or it should be.

Edited by FatboyKim on Tuesday 15th February 14:34

[snobetter]

I believe the police would charge with murder in case it turns out that way so they don't have to re arrest with a more serious charge. Very likely won't end up with that being the charge though.

[carl_w]

snobetter said:

I believe the police would charge with murder in case it turns out that way so they don't have to re arrest with a more serious charge. Very likely won't end up with that being the charge though.

All three of them though? Only one can have been driving. Unless they're not being forthcoming with who was behind the wheel.

[Durzel]

Maybe the car had a big knife taped to the front of it.

I'm also struggling to understand the charge, unless the cars were incidental (i.e. they got into a crash and then influencer and/or mother started stabbing them)

[Square Leg]

Drove down the stretch (Six Hills to Hobby Horse) on Saturday and there’s hardly any signs that a serious incident had happened the day before.

Edited by Square Leg on Tuesday 15th February 15:18

[DodgyGeezer]

Durzel said:

Maybe the car had a big knife taped to the front of it.

I'm also struggling to understand the charge, unless the cars were incidental (i.e. they got into a crash and then influencer and/or mother started stabbing them)

[Maxym]

FatboyKim said:

Ahh yes, TikTok. That toxic cesspool of clinical Narcissists. Literally no idea which is the mother and which is the daughter in those photos.

... and the place is an utterly lawless toilet overflowing with vile untrustworthy individuals. Twinned with Ilford, East London, or it should be.

Edited by FatboyKim on Tuesday 15th February 14:34

Oi! I come from Ilford! Well I was born there (many decades ago). Am I to take it that it is no longer the genteel, salubrious place it once was?

[Square Leg]

carl_w said:

All three of them though? Only one can have been driving. Unless they're not being forthcoming with who was behind the wheel.

Comes under the joint enterprise law?

[Fermit]

Six Hills is a very straight part of what is a very fast road. I should know, 20 years ago I had a ban, for a 3 figure speeding offence exactly there. I've read the dead guys were being chased, and the occupants arrested from the other car had deliberately struck it.

If you're being chased and you're genuinely scared then 3 figures down there is highly likely. I managed it in a 100bhp VTR Saxo! Not a speed which is often survivable in a crash, less so hitting something. God knows what had gone off beforehand for a Mother, Daughter and friend to be chasing them so vehemently.