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van into HGV yesterday morning Southbound on M3 Winchester, air ambulance etc and am obviously sorry for anyone involved but:
10 HOURS CLOSURE
Caused absolute mayhem
We are the only Country I know of that encounter this madness. I travel frequently in Europe and it would have been cleared in a fifth of that time at the most. What on earth is going on.
Again I'm very sorry for anyone involved in the actual incident.
10 HOURS CLOSURE
Caused absolute mayhem
We are the only Country I know of that encounter this madness. I travel frequently in Europe and it would have been cleared in a fifth of that time at the most. What on earth is going on.
Again I'm very sorry for anyone involved in the actual incident.
240Cup said:
I get that, the air ambulance had attended fairly rapidly and no doubt the poor person/s involved had been evacuated.
Why then, does it need to be closed for another circa 9HRS. Main route into The South. Middle of the day.
Would you be happy if someone killed a loved one due to poor driving but the Police couldn't prosecute because they were under pressure to open a road and couldn't gather the required evidence? Why then, does it need to be closed for another circa 9HRS. Main route into The South. Middle of the day.
What are the European Police doing in this situation?
From my experience in driving Italian contraflows on Motorways, we have a much higher safety standard than they do
Not this whiny self indulgent narcissistic twaddle again.
How would you react if a family member was killed by a piece of terrible and possibly deliberately delinquent action or inaction, it was known who was responsible but they were unable to be prosecuted because vital parts of the evidence to nail down the case were unavailable due to pressure to open the road in as short a time as possible in order to sweep up the evidence of why someone died as just another piece of plastic debris?
Alternatively how about someone prosecuted based on a hasty decision when proper investigation shows that in reality the primary causal factor was completely out of their control and they couldn't have predicted it?
The investigators don't want to spend hours and hours unnecessarily.
Everybody matters, otherwise none of us do.
Grow up!
How would you react if a family member was killed by a piece of terrible and possibly deliberately delinquent action or inaction, it was known who was responsible but they were unable to be prosecuted because vital parts of the evidence to nail down the case were unavailable due to pressure to open the road in as short a time as possible in order to sweep up the evidence of why someone died as just another piece of plastic debris?
Alternatively how about someone prosecuted based on a hasty decision when proper investigation shows that in reality the primary causal factor was completely out of their control and they couldn't have predicted it?
The investigators don't want to spend hours and hours unnecessarily.
Everybody matters, otherwise none of us do.
Grow up!
240Cup said:
van into HGV yesterday morning Southbound on M3 Winchester, air ambulance etc and am obviously sorry for anyone involved but:
10 HOURS CLOSURE
Caused absolute mayhem
We are the only Country I know of that encounter this madness. I travel frequently in Europe and it would have been cleared in a fifth of that time at the most. What on earth is going on.
Again I'm very sorry for anyone involved in the actual incident.
10 HOURS CLOSURE
Caused absolute mayhem
We are the only Country I know of that encounter this madness. I travel frequently in Europe and it would have been cleared in a fifth of that time at the most. What on earth is going on.
Again I'm very sorry for anyone involved in the actual incident.
240Cup said:
van into HGV yesterday morning Southbound on M3 Winchester, air ambulance etc and am obviously sorry for anyone involved but:
10 HOURS CLOSURE
Caused absolute mayhem
We are the only Country I know of that encounter this madness. I travel frequently in Europe and it would have been cleared in a fifth of that time at the most. What on earth is going on.
Again I'm very sorry for anyone involved in the actual incident.
I've been stuck in both German and Belgian traffic jams due to accidents for almost as long. In the case of the German one, they sent a road crew along to remove part of the concrete divider so that cars could turn around and use an exit on the other side of the carriageway some 5 miles away.10 HOURS CLOSURE
Caused absolute mayhem
We are the only Country I know of that encounter this madness. I travel frequently in Europe and it would have been cleared in a fifth of that time at the most. What on earth is going on.
Again I'm very sorry for anyone involved in the actual incident.
240Cup said:
I get that, the air ambulance had attended fairly rapidly and no doubt the poor person/s involved had been evacuated.
Why then, does it need to be closed for another circa 9HRS. Main route into The South. Middle of the day.
Air ambulance is going to remove a casualty not a dead body.Why then, does it need to be closed for another circa 9HRS. Main route into The South. Middle of the day.
If someone has died on the scene then they need to examine the scene with the body there and then the body needs to be freed / removed, examined and then can be taken away.
I've been stuck on the M3 a similar amount of time in the snow & diverted around when that idiot was throwing suspicious items off of the bridge at Winchester... It's not like it's the only choice of road in the area ffs!
Divert, get on with your day & be grateful it's not you needing the assistance of emergency services.
Divert, get on with your day & be grateful it's not you needing the assistance of emergency services.
240Cup said:
Nope, sorry. I'm not whiny self indulgent or narcissistic.
SURELY IT DOESN'T NEED 10 HOURS.
Could have just been a shortage of investigators.SURELY IT DOESN'T NEED 10 HOURS.
My old man was an "Accident Investigator" (now they are called Collision Investigators) back in the 80's 90's, Thames Valley Police only had five or six to cover a massive area, once you take people out for days off, sick, rota (it was a 24-hour cover) etc they were very short-staffed, it would only take two accidents to happen at the same time and that was it, no more cover and there was going to be a very long wait.
I have no idea why this took 10 hours, but it could have been all sorts of reasons, life sucks sometimes, but I bet yours didn't suck as bad as the person in the back of the helicopter that day.
I wasn't stuck in it, I was going the other way but observed and have been told of, the gridlock in the surrounding area. So I am not being 'whiny' for me!
I actually wonder whether it is indeed a shortgage of investigators. Over the years (30 years cimmuting around the country!) there is no doubt whatsoever that this type of incident causes longer and longer closures, so my point is what is driving this? I get the need to investigate, of course I do but surely there is a balance to be struck.
Not on such a serious scale, I've seen very significant delays on M25 whereupon eventually reaching the scene of the incident it was a Lorry wheel being changed and 3 out of 4 lanes had been closed by the Highways Officers. Necessary or over the top Health and Safety?
I actually wonder whether it is indeed a shortgage of investigators. Over the years (30 years cimmuting around the country!) there is no doubt whatsoever that this type of incident causes longer and longer closures, so my point is what is driving this? I get the need to investigate, of course I do but surely there is a balance to be struck.
Not on such a serious scale, I've seen very significant delays on M25 whereupon eventually reaching the scene of the incident it was a Lorry wheel being changed and 3 out of 4 lanes had been closed by the Highways Officers. Necessary or over the top Health and Safety?
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