80 in a 70 - Pointless question
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Just had an NIP for 80 in a 70 an a particularly sneaky bit of the A55, average speed camera zone.
Looks like the printer wasnt having the best day when printing my NIP, Im presuming not, but just in case, can this be grounds for ignoring the letter? Its still easilly legible but still certainly defective.
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
Thanks
Looks like the printer wasnt having the best day when printing my NIP, Im presuming not, but just in case, can this be grounds for ignoring the letter? Its still easilly legible but still certainly defective.
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
Thanks
LotsOfLaughs said:
Just had an NIP for 80 in a 70 an a particularly sneaky bit of the A55, average speed camera zone.
Looks like the printer wasnt having the best day when printing my NIP, Im presuming not, but just in case, can this be grounds for ignoring the letter? Its still easilly legible but still certainly defective.
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
Yep you're fine, if it hasn't printed properly just ignore it.Looks like the printer wasnt having the best day when printing my NIP, Im presuming not, but just in case, can this be grounds for ignoring the letter? Its still easilly legible but still certainly defective.
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
Nothing bad will happen.
Well technically it hasn't been served.
Not sure whether or not you should tell them. But if you were to tell them the ideal time to do it would be within your response window so it doesn't escalate but not leaving enough time for them to reissue it.
This way it does not escalate as the escalation will mean you'll have to do it through court whereas if you tell them and they can't reissue it within the time allowed then the whole thing is invalidated and you don't have to bother with the court bit.
Not sure whether or not you should tell them. But if you were to tell them the ideal time to do it would be within your response window so it doesn't escalate but not leaving enough time for them to reissue it.
This way it does not escalate as the escalation will mean you'll have to do it through court whereas if you tell them and they can't reissue it within the time allowed then the whole thing is invalidated and you don't have to bother with the court bit.
ingenieur said:
Well technically it hasn't been served.
Not sure whether or not you should tell them. But if you were to tell them the ideal time to do it would be within your response window so it doesn't escalate but not leaving enough time for them to reissue it.
This way it does not escalate as the escalation will mean you'll have to do it through court whereas if you tell them and they can't reissue it within the time allowed then the whole thing is invalidated and you don't have to bother with the court bit.
Well yeah exactly, it arrived today. Im either posting it tomorrow or not at all, 80 in a 70 will just be a SAC - Is there a £100 fine too if I get a SAC? Not sure whether or not you should tell them. But if you were to tell them the ideal time to do it would be within your response window so it doesn't escalate but not leaving enough time for them to reissue it.
This way it does not escalate as the escalation will mean you'll have to do it through court whereas if you tell them and they can't reissue it within the time allowed then the whole thing is invalidated and you don't have to bother with the court bit.
But yeah, for arguments sake really, if the NIP is deffective but not illegible is it still valid? If not, do I HAVE to tell someone that its deffective so that they send me another?
LotsOfLaughs said:
Well yeah exactly, it arrived today. Im either posting it tomorrow or not at all, 80 in a 70 will just be a SAC - Is there a £100 fine too if I get a SAC?
But yeah, for arguments sake really, if the NIP is deffective but not illegible is it still valid? If not, do I HAVE to tell someone that its deffective so that they send me another?
If you get a sac there's no fine, but there's a £100 fee.But yeah, for arguments sake really, if the NIP is deffective but not illegible is it still valid? If not, do I HAVE to tell someone that its deffective so that they send me another?
You do not have to inform your insurance.
LotsOfLaughs said:
Just had an NIP for 80 in a 70 an a particularly sneaky bit of the A55, average speed camera zone.
Looks like the printer wasnt having the best day when printing my NIP, Im presuming not, but just in case, can this be grounds for ignoring the letter? Its still easilly legible but still certainly defective.
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
Thanks
If you ignore they will not know its is potentially a 'defective' notice and their processes will continue.Looks like the printer wasnt having the best day when printing my NIP, Im presuming not, but just in case, can this be grounds for ignoring the letter? Its still easilly legible but still certainly defective.
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
Thanks
Yes you have the 'right' to remain silent, but I suspect you will end up in court.
I would recommend you engage with the process.
LotsOfLaughs said:
Super Sonic said:
If you get a sac there's no fine, but there's a £100 fee.
You do not have to inform your insurance.
Alright, thanks. I guess Ill just fill it in and post it.You do not have to inform your insurance.
ingenieur said:
Usually the best thing if your license and insurance premiums aren't under threat. But you do use up a chance and the next time it'll be points and fine if you've not learnt to go slower near the cameras.
Will not affect insurance premiums.Will not put points on license.
With it being defective, ensure you also reply after the 14 days period, adding date you received it to be after the 14 days, just to build the wall up with a hint of potential rebuttal on both grounds.
Also, is it defective because it must have been like that when posted?
This would be as opposed to ink washed by Postie dropping in puddle before delivering it????
Also, is it defective because it must have been like that when posted?
This would be as opposed to ink washed by Postie dropping in puddle before delivering it????
LotsOfLaughs said:
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
Thanks
The right to remain silent kicks in once the driver has been identified and accused of an offence.Thanks
At present, all you've been sent is a letter saying that your car has been seen being driven over the speed limit and asking if you could identify the driver so that they can be charged (and given the right to remain silent) for the offence.
DaveTheRave87 said:
LotsOfLaughs said:
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
Thanks
The right to remain silent kicks in once the driver has been identified and accused of an offence.Thanks
At present, all you've been sent is a letter saying that your car has been seen being driven over the speed limit and asking if you could identify the driver so that they can be charged (and given the right to remain silent) for the offence.
And it essentially says a car appearing to display your registration, these days they don't even know if the car is the one it should be and commonly fail to even have drivers face, let alone who driver is, fishing at it's finest IMO.
DaveTheRave87 said:
The right to remain silent kicks in once the driver has been identified and accused of an offence.
At present, all you've been sent is a letter saying that your car has been seen being driven over the speed limit and asking if you could identify the driver so that they can be charged (and given the right to remain silent) for the offence.
Okay, so it sounds like you legally MUST assist the police with their enquery, you dont have the option to remain silent. (I.e. the act of remaining silent is an offence in its self)At present, all you've been sent is a letter saying that your car has been seen being driven over the speed limit and asking if you could identify the driver so that they can be charged (and given the right to remain silent) for the offence.
NFT said:
With it being defective, ensure you also reply after the 14 days period, adding date you received it to be after the 14 days, just to build the wall up with a hint of potential rebuttal on both grounds.
Also, is it defective because it must have been like that when posted?
This would be as opposed to ink washed by Postie dropping in puddle before delivering it????
No, its definetely defective in the manner of a printer running low on ink, or the page being forced out of the machine too quickly. Not been dropped in a puddle or eaten by snails.Also, is it defective because it must have been like that when posted?
This would be as opposed to ink washed by Postie dropping in puddle before delivering it????
LotsOfLaughs said:
NFT said:
With it being defective, ensure you also reply after the 14 days period, adding date you received it to be after the 14 days, just to build the wall up with a hint of potential rebuttal on both grounds.
Also, is it defective because it must have been like that when posted?
This would be as opposed to ink washed by Postie dropping in puddle before delivering it????
No, its definetely defective in the manner of a printer running low on ink, or the page being forced out of the machine too quickly. Not been dropped in a puddle or eaten by snails.Also, is it defective because it must have been like that when posted?
This would be as opposed to ink washed by Postie dropping in puddle before delivering it????
Worth a punt.
LotsOfLaughs said:
Just had an NIP for 80 in a 70 an a particularly sneaky bit of the A55, average speed camera zone.
It would appear the alleged offence has been described clearly and you have not been confused or prejudiced by the warning. That would suggest it is not defective.LotsOfLaughs said:
Also something that Im sure has been covered before - I noticed it says that you MUST tell them who was driving. Does this mean we dont have the right to remain silent?
It has been covered before - by the ECHR - where it was decided you do not have the right to silence when it comes to s.172 requests.Worth noting that if you fail to respond to a valid s.172 request, you could find yourself on the worng end of 6 points, a hefty fine and ramped insurance premiums for the next 5 years.
Edited by SS2. on Thursday 9th November 15:33
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