Police scared of robbers or H & S officials
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Streetcop said:
Streetcop said:
Innocent until proven guilty....nice place to be, eh?
Street
Oh yes. Far,far better than the opposite.
Depends if you've found your granny beaten and tied up and the culprit caught in the act....
Your views would change rapidly then Steve...
Street
Here we go again..... We live in a supposed civilised society... With rules... Look at the various miscarriages of justice that have occured over the years.... People jailed for decades....Sometimes on the say-so of bent policemen.
I don't know what the answer is but we have to respect the fact that there is 'due process' and it should be followed.
Are you advocating that either the police or people should become vigilantes?
Streetcop said:
What if the BiB did all they could, but the proof for the court wasn't enough to convict the guy, even though you'd seen him do it...
You'd still be happy that justice has taken it's natural course????
Cos I wouldn't and if it was my Gran...id sort the guy out...career down the pan, couple of years inside..whatever..
Street
That is two different things. You are suggesting that immediate justice be dished out. At least let the CJS try to deal with it first.
And, anyway, doesn't EVERYONE know that revenge is a dish best served cold!
towman said:
You'd still be happy that justice has taken it's natural course????
Street
Obviously I wouldn`t , but as my only interaction with the law has been being burgled (twice) and having cars stolen (twice), I still have faith in our legal system.
Steve
I'm glad you do have faith and I
you for saying so.... I will be looking out for your posts of defence when people are slagging off the justice system on here in the future...
Street
towman said:
Save yourself the effort - look up some of my old ones!
Thanks for the "debate". SPL seems to have degenerated into "all cops bad / why pick on me" lately, and life is too short to waste on that sort of cr@p.
Steve
I'm on your side anyway Steve....Recovery men assist me daily and I've not met a problem one yet...
Street
mungo said:
mungo said:
Yes but I'm 5'7"
Ahem.....Not exagerating slightly are we, old chep???
from what I remember 4'7" was nearer...or was it just the alcohol level???
John the GOM, not tall either
You must have been pissed!
Dead on 5'7" mate - stood against the height marker in the custody suite the other day and it's confirmed and official now
You are still a shorty, Liebchen!
I am still 3 inches taller than you - and I even lost 2 inches as my bones contracted a bit after that crunch!
Must admit - it is recht amusing to look downwards at a cop
Streetcop said:
towman said:
Streetcop said:
Giving criminals their liberty and hindering justice must make for a good night's sleep...
Thats why this countrys legal system is so good. Innocent until proven guilty. Its up to you and the prosecutors to do your job correctly.
Even a good lawyer cannot beat overwhelming evidence and a carefully presented case.
Steve
No? You should see what goes on....Plea bargaining to get a lighter sentence....CPS giving in..so that it doesn't cost the state too much...
Lieber Strassen
- Liebchen... Happens in the US - but this is corporate crime.... from people who can afford to "buy out of hole".
For UK - tax payers foot the bill for prisons as well. But lawyers - they will indeed look for some reductions in sentence for the "guilty", and CPS - I am afraid - more than likely to go for lesser charge to at lease secure the conviction and the lock-up.
Down to your paperwork boyo - one little chink - and they've had it.... "Beagle" and the other pillock - "QC" wallies - and worked both sides in careers to date. Streetcop said:
I've know solicitors give their clients good answers for interviews..Breaks all their codes of practise..but some do it. Lifts home to criminals, McDonalds on the way...etc etc...
Why, you might ask? A desire for justice? Bollox....Greed, pure and simple. The scrote will then ask for them, the next time they're in the shit...say.....in 24 hours time...
chavs and scrotes would find Beagle's time a bit too expensive.... He only like toppest "shampooo und caviar!" Of course he will suggest "a wash, a shave, a suit or something other than Burberry might just give better overall impression."
He will instruct how to answer questions and advise about how to deal with oppo's line of attack to continue to give "good impression" to judge and jury.
Streetcop said:
As for doing the job correctly...most of us do...but correctly nowadays means jumping through so many hoops that the end outcome is insignificant in some cases.....
Told you before - you cannot let a comma be in wrong place. Can change meaning of sentence - and chap like Beagle will pounce on it and worry it to death to cast slight doubt in a juror's mind.....
But he done same thing when working the other side too
Funny old business - the legal system
Streetcop said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again.....Some people should pop along to their local magistrates court and sit in the public gallery. You'll leave more informed and a lot more cynical...I can bet you...
Street
Yup - came away with confirmation that Mags are right pillocks and as brainless as previously thought!
oops!
>> Edited by WildCat on Thursday 14th October 17:17
Streetcop said:
Streetcop said:
I've know solicitors give their clients good answers for interviews..Breaks all their codes of practise..but some do it. Lifts home to criminals, McDonalds on the way...etc etc...
If you know it goes on, why is something not done?
Steve
What can be done???????????????????????????????
A solicitor can buy anyone he likes a fast food meal...give lifts to all and sundry....
Not worth his while - especially Sid Scrote..who has no money anyway.... We all pay for the legal aid really.
Streetcop said:
As for giving clients answers and things to say...how do you police that. Confidential consultation in a police station can't be listened in to. Finally Joe Scrote isn't going to dob in the solicitor, is he?
Solicitor will outline options and advice on points of law and likely outcomes. Confidential because they have already been warned that anything they say in front of you can be used in evidence against them - nicht? If they have been muttering "dunnaw" und "yer'll never take me alive coppa!" prior to this - the duty solicitor would not get very far if conducted in front of you ...
It is up to the "client" to tell the solicitor how he wishes to proceed based on this advice. It is then up to you and CPS to sort out the paperwork and the evidence to ensure you have sufficient to convict in interests of justice.
The court of law then tests the accuracy of your paperwork, and the defence has to establish the veracity of the witnesses involved, and reasons for your suspicions that he "done it!"
Should be remembered that evidence on both sides has to be available to both sides too. Not quite ol' Perry Mason and Rumpole.
The problems then arise with previous not being heard in court - but scrote is being prosecuted for current crime and not his previous ones. Problems then arise with the daft sentencing system ... once found guilty.
Streetcop said:
You're getting it now aren't you? The law is all on the side of the accused and not the accuser....
If you work your arse off and pay your bills and obey the law you're on your own...
It is a problem. Seen it with the foster child....
But am trying to see from other side here....for sake of debate. Law has to be certain that the accused did it. And so far - we have ended shelling out shedloads for incorrect and unsound convictions
Streetcop said:
Break the law and everyone wants to help you...your deserted lonely criminal life is full of solicitors, probation officers, social workers....giving you free advice, free dinners, free lifts home.....
Innocent until proven guilty....nice place to be, eh?
Street
Depends on sort of criminal....if you are middle class, normally law abiding chap who unwittingly falls foul of any law - he has to shell out on legal services as he does not qualify for legal aid.
Recidivists? Violent thugs? They call it political correctness. The lawyers do not like it - low earner - but law dictates that they have to provide a service - so they do best they can to keep lowest jail term or even prevent jail in last ditch effort to keep any crumb of employability here.
Probation workers and social workers? They blame those creatures in their fast cars putting "temptation in way of this poor "underclass"" And these are the people who are demanding the free dinners, the free holidays, the little toys, the free designer goods - instead of recomending the good hiding they really deserve.
Streetcop said:
Streetcop said:
I've know solicitors give their clients good answers for interviews..Breaks all their codes of practise..but some do it. Lifts home to criminals, McDonalds on the way...etc etc...
If you know it goes on, why is something not done?
Steve
What can be done???????????????????????????????
A solicitor can buy anyone he likes a fast food meal...give lifts to all and sundry....
As for giving clients answers and things to say...how do you police that. Confidential consultation in a police station can't be listened in to. Finally Joe Scrote isn't going to dob in the solicitor, is he?
You're getting it now aren't you? The law is all on the side of the accused and not the accuser....
If you work your arse off and pay your bills and obey the law you're on your own...
Break the law and everyone wants to help you...your deserted lonely criminal life is full of solicitors, probation officers, social workers....giving you free advice, free dinners, free lifts home.....
Innocent until proven guilty....nice place to be, eh?
Street
Right on Gary. I unnerstand there are some senior pleecemen who think the crims are victims of society and if we are robbed, it is our own fault for owning stuff. If it gives a clue, I live in N.Wales
Take care
Oh yes - forgot about that Tafia.
Our fault for owning nice things, and we must prevent the scrotes from offending by supplying hard drugs on NHS too as it is "not very dangerous"
But lawyers are there to ensure other side is telling truth and both sides have lawyers arguing points of law at each other and picking holes in each other's cases and paperwork. Fundamental part of justice because like it or not - we are all innocent until proven otherwise regardless of backgrounds. Lawyers much as one hates to admit it - cannot be bought by a Happy Meal at MuckThingy's.
The sorry fact is that the CPS and Police paperwork are as much on trial as the scrote in the dock. Und I suppose mistakes can be made in Strassen has to fill in 36 different sheets of paper and gets smallest thing in wrong place - which is easily done under pressure.
The problem arises when they have finished and the lentilists really step in. That is when the full rot of the politically correct system is more than apparent.
Our fault for owning nice things, and we must prevent the scrotes from offending by supplying hard drugs on NHS too
as it is "not very dangerous" But lawyers are there to ensure other side is telling truth and both sides have lawyers arguing points of law at each other and picking holes in each other's cases and paperwork. Fundamental part of justice because like it or not - we are all innocent until proven otherwise regardless of backgrounds. Lawyers much as one hates to admit it - cannot be bought by a Happy Meal at MuckThingy's.
The sorry fact is that the CPS and Police paperwork are as much on trial as the scrote in the dock.
Und I suppose mistakes can be made in Strassen has to fill in 36 different sheets of paper and gets smallest thing in wrong place - which is easily done under pressure. The problem arises when they have finished and the lentilists really step in.
That is when the full rot of the politically correct system is more than apparent.WildCat said:
But right calibre cop (Wild version) - good basic education, good average IQ, which means they can handle the training and be able to use initiative, assess a situation and respond quickly, firmly. fearlessly and with common sense, fit with muscles, tall, cute bum, knowledge of Dickens, able to use discretion and interpret law fair and square, firm, friendly ......
Do they exist?
Me.
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