Man being chased by police - should you help?

[carinaman]

Police officers have much more scope to stitch you up than a bin men do, even if their council can snoop on you via RIPA.

[Red Devil]

Elroy Blue said:

The vast, vast majority of Police Officers in the USA are decent, ordinary folk just trying to do their bit. 77 of them have been killed on duty so far this year. Let's try not to portray them as something they are not.

Fair enough, but my point was can you imagine any British police officer EVER going to the extreme of pepper spraying/arresting a citizen simply because she allegedly short-changed him over a bag of Krispy Kremes?

Sure she was anti-police (as shown by the comment about her brother) but is arguing with a cop a crime in the USA? I am also fairly sure that the white cop/black citizen divide is a lot more intense in the USA than it is over here.

[Red 4]

Eclassy said:

I am still not convinced by your arguments.

Should I help the bin man lift the bin into the dump truck because he has to lift hundreds of bins a day for not much pay?

Should I help a parking attendant identify cars which have overstayed their time so he can issue enough tickets to meet his quota which entitles him to a bonus that will top up his meagre pay?

If no, why should I help a policeman do his job?

Imagine if the person who recorded the killing of Ian Tomlinson decided to put his phone/camera down and instead help drag dangerous Ian away from the good PC Harwood..... The truth will never have been known.

Refuse collectors and parking attendants don't generally deal with the bad guys.

You've already said you wouldn't help a cop in need of help which speaks volumes about you..

You clearly view all police officers as one and the same (your enemy) - but you still go running to the police when you think they can help in whatever nonsense you get yourself involved in as your previous posts have shown.

Wise up, grow up. Your posts add nothing to the debates on this forum.

[anonymous-user]

The point is, geniuses, the police and the public and the public are the police.

The public are responsible for helping the police do nearly all of their job and responsible for nearly all their workload. Who do you think provides them with all the information and intelligence about just about everything occurring, crime-wise?

I didn't think something so obvious would need pointing out.

[Devil2575]

Red 4 said:

Eclassy said:

I am still not convinced by your arguments.

Should I help the bin man lift the bin into the dump truck because he has to lift hundreds of bins a day for not much pay?

Should I help a parking attendant identify cars which have overstayed their time so he can issue enough tickets to meet his quota which entitles him to a bonus that will top up his meagre pay?

If no, why should I help a policeman do his job?

Imagine if the person who recorded the killing of Ian Tomlinson decided to put his phone/camera down and instead help drag dangerous Ian away from the good PC Harwood..... The truth will never have been known.

Refuse collectors and parking attendants don't generally deal with the bad guys.

You've already said you wouldn't help a cop in need of help which speaks volumes about you..

You clearly view all police officers as one and the same (your enemy) - but you still go running to the police when you think they can help in whatever nonsense you get yourself involved in as your previous posts have shown.

Wise up, grow up. Your posts add nothing to the debates on this forum.

This.

I'd actually help anyone if the situation arose, refuse collector or Police officer. Nothing to do with pay, just because i'm a decent human being and if I can help someone out I will.

If the Police catch a criminal because I help them then I may have helped to remove someone from the streets who would negatively effect my, my friends or my families lives.

Simples.

[mark.c]

Eclassy said:

I am still not convinced by your arguments.

Should I help the bin man lift the bin into the dump truck because he has to lift hundreds of bins a day for not much pay?

Should I help a parking attendant identify cars which have overstayed their time so he can issue enough tickets to meet his quota which entitles him to a bonus that will top up his meagre pay?

If no, why should I help a policeman do his job?

Imagine if the person who recorded the killing of Ian Tomlinson decided to put his phone/camera down and instead help drag dangerous Ian away from the good PC Harwood..... The truth will never have been known.

Well I see things differently, like it or not the Police ( love or hate, I'm impartial but appreciate that they exist)
uphold the law which goes someway to preventing this country falling into rack and ruin. The other professions you mention, don't to the same degree. To that end, I believe we all have a responsibility to contribute to that, in other words if we are happy to reap the rewards of a civilised society then why shouldn't we help if we can?

You can stand back and tar all coppers with the same brush as the examples you mentioned above but let's be honest here, you get w@nkers in all lines of work and I've no doubt the Police are no exception, but that's not a good enough reason in my book to just sit back and do nothing because ' it's not my job'.

[FuryExocet]

I've been helped by the public a few times and I'm very grateful. Most recent was fighting with a rather strong lad on Hampton Court road, he was starting to get the upper hand and my backup was still 5-10 minutes away. It was rush hour and loads of traffic was being held up because of me and him rolling around in the middle of the road. 3 people came to help me that day, one assisted with getting traffic passed us, one called 999 and the other jumped in and helped me pin the male down until extra officers arrived.
I was shattered after it all and suffered cuts and bruising, the male suspect had no injuries.

I only managed to thank 1 person, as the others left straight away.

[Greendubber]

Eclassy said:

I am still not convinced by your arguments.

Should I help the bin man lift the bin into the dump truck because he has to lift hundreds of bins a day for not much pay?

Should I help a parking attendant identify cars which have overstayed their time so he can issue enough tickets to meet his quota which entitles him to a bonus that will top up his meagre pay?

If no, why should I help a policeman do his job?

Imagine if the person who recorded the killing of Ian Tomlinson decided to put his phone/camera down and instead help drag dangerous Ian away from the good PC Harwood..... The truth will never have been known.

Laughable


keep going....

[Wacky Racer]

What would happen if the "policeman" was a member of the public was in fancy dress, and the "offender" was a friend who had nicked his whistle for a laugh on the way to a party?

[ED209]

I arrested someone a few weeks ago, he was struggling a lot and i couldn't take him down even after using CS. I was on my own as my colleague was rolling around on the floor trying to restrain his mate.


I then became very aware that some unknown bloke came out of a pizza shop and swept away the legs of the kid i was wrestling with. HIs help was most appreciated. he then just walked off, i never did get his details as the bloke was still struggling.


Of course me punching the offender in the face until he dropped would have probably been a lawful and reasonable response from me but I was keen to avoid being filmed doing such rings by the gathering mob and then appearing in the daily mail with the usual outrage from middle englanders who have never been in such a situation.

[selym]

In all innocence, I ask Eclassy what the policing was like in the country he migrated from. (If I misconstrued the 'when I came to this country' comment then I apologise).

[KFC]

Eclassy said:

I am still not convinced by your arguments.

Should I help the bin man lift the bin into the dump truck because he has to lift hundreds of bins a day for not much pay?

Should I help a parking attendant identify cars which have overstayed their time so he can issue enough tickets to meet his quota which entitles him to a bonus that will top up his meagre pay?

If no, why should I help a policeman do his job?

I think when you start comparing helping someone who's being assaulted as they try and arrest a junkie to a parking attendant looking for car park over stayers, you've lost all credibility and its time to exit the thread

[Eclassy]

selym said:

In all innocence, I ask Eclassy what the policing was like in the country he migrated from. (If I misconstrued the 'when I came to this country' comment then I apologise).

Terrible.... One of the worst police forces in the world.... Corrupt to the core and daily cases of extra judicial killings.

Like a few posters above, I was indifferent about the police in my country. We all knew what they were like and so didnt expect any better.

Like I said earlier, because of the high regard I had for the British police, it has become so hard for me to get over the dissapointment of finding out that they are just like any other police force.

I accept that there would be bad apples in every profession. What I can and will not accept is the gang mentality of the police where they cover for each others wrongdoings.

[Red 4]

Eclassy said:

Terrible.... One of the worst police forces in the world.... Corrupt to the core and daily cases of extra judicial killings.

........ because of the high regard I had for the British police, it has become so hard for me to get over the dissapointment of finding out that they are just like any other police force.

... says the man whose "knowledge" of the police was gained by watching episodes of "The Bill".

PS There aren't many extra judicial killings in this country.

[Devil2575]

Eclassy said:

Terrible.... One of the worst police forces in the world.... Corrupt to the core and daily cases of extra judicial killings.

Like a few posters above, I was indifferent about the police in my country. We all knew what they were like and so didnt expect any better.

Like I said earlier, because of the high regard I had for the British police, it has become so hard for me to get over the dissapointment of finding out that they are just like any other police force.

I accept that there would be bad apples in every profession. What I can and will not accept is the gang mentality of the police where they cover for each others wrongdoings.

I find your post contradictory. How many extra judical killings have you heard of in this country?

[Eclassy]

KFC said:

I think when you start comparing helping someone who's being assaulted as they try and arrest a junkie to a parking attendant looking for car park over stayers, you've lost all credibility and its time to exit the thread

The OP said

[quote] Man being chased by police... Would you help

.

And I replied

[quote] Nope

You are making stuff up now....Nothing about assault in OP's question.

[KFC]

Eclassy said:

KFC said:

I think when you start comparing helping someone who's being assaulted as they try and arrest a junkie to a parking attendant looking for car park over stayers, you've lost all credibility and its time to exit the thread

The OP said

[quote] Man being chased by police... Would you help

.

And I replied

[quote] Nope

You are making stuff up now....Nothing about assault in OP's question.

Why would a cop need help in the first place if someone being arrested was being fully compliant? They obviously wouldn't. So the only possible time they could need help was if someone was fighting back / resisting arrest.... I had thought that would have been obvious though.

[Red 4]

I asked you the question concerning an officer being assaulted.

You said you would not intervene.

[selym]

Eclassy said:

selym said:

In all innocence, I ask Eclassy what the policing was like in the country he migrated from. (If I misconstrued the 'when I came to this country' comment then I apologise).

Terrible.... One of the worst police forces in the world.... Corrupt to the core and daily cases of extra judicial killings.

Like a few posters above, I was indifferent about the police in my country. We all knew what they were like and so didnt expect any better.

Like I said earlier, because of the high regard I had for the British police, it has become so hard for me to get over the dissapointment of finding out that they are just like any other police force.

I accept that there would be bad apples in every profession. What I can and will not accept is the gang mentality of the police where they cover for each others wrongdoings.

Respectfully, I refuse to believe that the police in this country are as bad as the force in your country of birth. Ok, you may be 'disappointed' by the actions of a few but if you look at this objectively you'll realise that your experience of the police here doesn't capture the whole force. rather like that rogue bit of unpopped popcorn that nearly breaks your tooth, you know you'll come across it, but it is rare all the same.

[Eclassy]

Devil2575 said:

I find your post contradictory. How many extra judical killings have you heard of in this country?

How many deaths in custody have ever resulted in the conviction of a policeman in this cointry?

Its the same answer in my country. The police over there will point to the stats that show that not one policeman has ever being convicted.

Edited by Eclassy on Tuesday 9th September 16:05