13 year old runs over wife's Porsche
Discussion
PV7998 said:
DE15 CAT said:
I don't know where this ruin his life with a criminal record comes from, most juvenile offences including criminal damage are only on record until age 18. then you don't have to tell anyone. (and the record is cleared) . Next.
Not correct.When a similar thing happened to someone I know they were cautioned. It stayed on his record and is still there (he's 24 now). Sure, it becomes a "spent" conviction/caution, but it's still there for the Police to see. I believe there are steps being taken to reduce the number of other agencies that have access to the records.
Unless things have changed in the last 10 years or so, even "Spent" cautions and convictions have to be declared to someone with an exemption from the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (Police / Medical / Teaching ).
A fairly big also is that most countries outside UK don't recognise the Rehabilitation Act.....so when you are asked by the US authorities for any contact with the Police you can't claim that it's a rehabilitated conviction. I know this because the lad I know has to visit the US embassy when he wants to travel there.
(as an aside, the septics don't really check Visa Waiver applications.
I'm nor sure which Nasty Little Brat you're referring to.........
If it's the kid that ran over the Porsche then you may have a point - the vast majority of kids don't run over the roofs of cars.
If it's the kid that I know then you've got no idea what he did.
Either way, my point was to show that a reprimand/caution/conviction on a child does have a long lasting effect, which is contrary to what a lot of people believe.
Way back it was the case that a Juvenile Caution was a local (paper) record that got destroyed when they got to be 18 - not now though.
If it's the kid that ran over the Porsche then you may have a point - the vast majority of kids don't run over the roofs of cars.
If it's the kid that I know then you've got no idea what he did.
Either way, my point was to show that a reprimand/caution/conviction on a child does have a long lasting effect, which is contrary to what a lot of people believe.
Way back it was the case that a Juvenile Caution was a local (paper) record that got destroyed when they got to be 18 - not now though.
I did stupid stuff as a kid, luckily I grew out of it, Any one of them could have given me a criminal record and ruined what is now a very successful life.
Try and have a chat with parents, see if they can cover the damage. Look to go via moneyclaim if they don't play ball.
13 years old is too young to get screwed with a criminal record, especially if said kid was pretty meek when you got hold of him.
Try and have a chat with parents, see if they can cover the damage. Look to go via moneyclaim if they don't play ball.
13 years old is too young to get screwed with a criminal record, especially if said kid was pretty meek when you got hold of him.
Andehh said:
I did stupid stuff as a kid, luckily I grew out of it, Any one of them could have given me a criminal record and ruined what is now a very successful life.
Try and have a chat with parents, see if they can cover the damage. Look to go via moneyclaim if they don't play ball.
13 years old is too young to get screwed with a criminal record, especially if said kid was pretty meek when you got hold of him.
That's what I'd do. See what the parents say if they agree to pay and are apologetic then fair enough no need to give him a criminal record. If they couldn't give a toss then take alternative action although will the magistrate give anymore than a slap on the wrist to a 13 year old with no previous? I doubt it very much. Try and have a chat with parents, see if they can cover the damage. Look to go via moneyclaim if they don't play ball.
13 years old is too young to get screwed with a criminal record, especially if said kid was pretty meek when you got hold of him.
Porsche911R said:
not sure the point here, only way to get the money is goto the count and claim damages.
I would give the parents 1 day to stump up the cost or it would have to goto court, where do you you draw the line ?
People have to be responsible for their actions even at 13 imo, or in this case the parents have to take the responsibility.
You can see what would happen if he was let off, others would do it as a dare as well knowing nothing will come of it.
We did not do this s
t when we were kids FFS, I am shocked that >50% people would let them off and claim on insurance.
My point is, I don't imagine he expected to damage the car. If he'd gone out and whacked it with a baseball bat then yes but it was a stupid prank that wasn't really thought through.I would give the parents 1 day to stump up the cost or it would have to goto court, where do you you draw the line ?
People have to be responsible for their actions even at 13 imo, or in this case the parents have to take the responsibility.
You can see what would happen if he was let off, others would do it as a dare as well knowing nothing will come of it.
We did not do this s
t when we were kids FFS, I am shocked that >50% people would let them off and claim on insurance.Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 12th April 17:34
I think as kids we've all done stuff that could have landed us with a conviction of some sort. How many of you grew up in the country and made dens in farmer's hay barns? Would you expect to be landed with a criminal conviction for the odd bale that fell apart when you lifted them or being charged with trespass?
You have to be realistic about what court will actually achieve for the OP and what affect it will have on the lad for the rest of his life. Part of that judgement can be made by meeting with the parents and the lad. If he shows no genuine remorse and the parents don't care then fine have the book thrown at him. If however some agreement can be reached and the lad seems genuinely bothered by his actions then that's a better way to go surely.
Jim1556 said:
You can't compare messing about with a straw bale to jumping up and down on someone's hard earned pride and joy!!! 
Why? The results are the same, both criminal damage. The bales are the farmers livelihood, the Porsche is a nice to have and I don't think the lad intended to damage it.Let's say you were climbing that stack of bales and you knock a pile over that takes out a leg on the barn and the whole thing collapses. Probably cost more than the Porsche to sort but you only intend to run over the bales for a laugh.
The question was where do you draw the line.
Bit of an update
Police did come back in late on Tuesday, giving the sob storey “kid is really sorry” “lives with dad in council flat” “has been grounded for 2 weeks” despite this yesterday morning he was playing football with the same gang over the road from our shop and last night on the way home he was with a another older gang of youths! So very remorseful and defiantly grounded! NOT
Got a quote from Porsche and they can get the dents out of the roof but the head liner needs to come out total cost £372.00 so not as bad as we thought.
The police officer is going to take the quote to the parents and ask them to pay it. Let’s wait and see if they do the right thing, personally I don’t hold my breath.
Police did come back in late on Tuesday, giving the sob storey “kid is really sorry” “lives with dad in council flat” “has been grounded for 2 weeks” despite this yesterday morning he was playing football with the same gang over the road from our shop and last night on the way home he was with a another older gang of youths! So very remorseful and defiantly grounded! NOT
Got a quote from Porsche and they can get the dents out of the roof but the head liner needs to come out total cost £372.00 so not as bad as we thought.
The police officer is going to take the quote to the parents and ask them to pay it. Let’s wait and see if they do the right thing, personally I don’t hold my breath.
Grunt Futtock said:
What a valuable contribution to the thread. Is it still school holidays?
No, people spelling definitely that way is just a pet hate of mine.In terms of my contribution to the thread, any cost to repair the Porsche is going to end up coming out of the OP's pocket and the 13 year old won't even get a reprimand. The end.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Al U said:
Grunt Futtock said:
What a valuable contribution to the thread. Is it still school holidays?
No, chippy348 said:
Bit of an update
Police did come back in late on Tuesday, giving the sob storey “kid is really sorry” “lives with dad in council flat” “has been grounded for 2 weeks” despite this yesterday morning he was playing football with the same gang over the road from our shop and last night on the way home he was with a another older gang of youths! So very remorseful and defiantly grounded! NOT
Got a quote from Porsche and they can get the dents out of the roof but the head liner needs to come out total cost £372.00 so not as bad as we thought.
The police officer is going to take the quote to the parents and ask them to pay it. Let’s wait and see if they do the right thing, personally I don’t hold my breath.
I would ensure they pay for the damages.Police did come back in late on Tuesday, giving the sob storey “kid is really sorry” “lives with dad in council flat” “has been grounded for 2 weeks” despite this yesterday morning he was playing football with the same gang over the road from our shop and last night on the way home he was with a another older gang of youths! So very remorseful and defiantly grounded! NOT
Got a quote from Porsche and they can get the dents out of the roof but the head liner needs to come out total cost £372.00 so not as bad as we thought.
The police officer is going to take the quote to the parents and ask them to pay it. Let’s wait and see if they do the right thing, personally I don’t hold my breath.
If not, take them to Judge Rinder or something like that. What a joke.
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