Compulsory masks in shops from 24th and petrol stations
Discussion
Brave Fart said:
Probably because, in this instance, they don't work! Well, medical grade masks or full hazmat suits might work, but that's not the law, is it? The law mandates any covering, including, should you wish, any old piece of manky cloth. Please don't pretend that this will make any difference at all. The government is introducing a law that forces citizens to do something that will often be pointless.
I ask again; would you happily comply with any safety measure? Would you agree with compulsory vaccination? Will you do anything, anything at all, because the government tells you to?
Will you disagree with everything they ask you to do? Then kick off even more when it’s compulsory?I ask again; would you happily comply with any safety measure? Would you agree with compulsory vaccination? Will you do anything, anything at all, because the government tells you to?
What’s the reason for you being so opposed to something that when added to other measures is likely to have a positive impact.
Do you wash your hands after going to the toilet? Sheep
Do you wear your seatbelt? Sheep
Do you generally abide by societal norms, rules and laws? Sheep
Riley Blue said:
leef44 said:
Sorry I haven't read through the whole thread but was is the significance of separately classifying people under and over 50, if the primary purpose is to prevent the spread?
Whether you are under or over 50, you have the same chance of catching it but under 50 have better chance of surviving but not less chance of spreading it even if assymptomatic. So this would still put the strain on the NHS unless everyone follows the rules irrespective of age classification.
I am no expert and may have misunderstood this so am happy to be put straight.
My understanding is that the older you are, the greater the likelihood you have of catching it, hence why all over 70s are considered 'clinically vulnerable' and children are at least risk.Whether you are under or over 50, you have the same chance of catching it but under 50 have better chance of surviving but not less chance of spreading it even if assymptomatic. So this would still put the strain on the NHS unless everyone follows the rules irrespective of age classification.
I am no expert and may have misunderstood this so am happy to be put straight.
Do the under 50's have less chance of catching the virus and hence passing it on or as I understand it, they have the same chance of catching it and spreading it - they just have less chance of dying from it?
Or are the statistics not available to determine this because of the number of people who are assymptomatic so we don't know how many people have it anyway - it could be that under 50's are more likely to be assymptomatic.
There's absolutely no reason not to wear one and this should have been brought in earlier.
Any public place inside it should be compulsory.
No excuse either re sourcing masks, there's been plenty of time to source them and face coverings of other types are acceptable like bandanas and scalfs ect.
No doubt there'll be plenty more anti mask protests as in London recently with the usual braindead inept selfish d
heads taking part... 
Any public place inside it should be compulsory.
No excuse either re sourcing masks, there's been plenty of time to source them and face coverings of other types are acceptable like bandanas and scalfs ect.
No doubt there'll be plenty more anti mask protests as in London recently with the usual braindead inept selfish d
heads taking part... Tony B2 said:
LetsTryAgain said:
The muzzle decree is about politics, not science.
I'm sure the majority will be happy to oblige (as they have been throughout this whole farce) but not all of us wish to be mouthless obedient submissive's.
Exactly!I'm sure the majority will be happy to oblige (as they have been throughout this whole farce) but not all of us wish to be mouthless obedient submissive's.
A1VDY said:
There's absolutely no reason not to wear one and this should have been brought in earlier.
Any public place inside it should be compulsory.
No excuse either re sourcing masks, there's been plenty of time to source them and face coverings of other types are acceptable like bandanas and scalfs ect.
No doubt there'll be plenty more anti mask protests as in London recently with the usual braindead inept selfish dheads taking part...
There needs to be a like button on ph . There is no reason not to wear one. Those refusing please stay away from shops and don't put the shop workers in the awkward position of having to refuse you entry. Any public place inside it should be compulsory.
No excuse either re sourcing masks, there's been plenty of time to source them and face coverings of other types are acceptable like bandanas and scalfs ect.
No doubt there'll be plenty more anti mask protests as in London recently with the usual braindead inept selfish d
heads taking part... leef44 said:
Riley Blue said:
leef44 said:
Sorry I haven't read through the whole thread but was is the significance of separately classifying people under and over 50, if the primary purpose is to prevent the spread?
Whether you are under or over 50, you have the same chance of catching it but under 50 have better chance of surviving but not less chance of spreading it even if assymptomatic. So this would still put the strain on the NHS unless everyone follows the rules irrespective of age classification.
I am no expert and may have misunderstood this so am happy to be put straight.
My understanding is that the older you are, the greater the likelihood you have of catching it, hence why all over 70s are considered 'clinically vulnerable' and children are at least risk.Whether you are under or over 50, you have the same chance of catching it but under 50 have better chance of surviving but not less chance of spreading it even if assymptomatic. So this would still put the strain on the NHS unless everyone follows the rules irrespective of age classification.
I am no expert and may have misunderstood this so am happy to be put straight.
Do the under 50's have less chance of catching the virus and hence passing it on or as I understand it, they have the same chance of catching it and spreading it - they just have less chance of dying from it?
Or are the statistics not available to determine this because of the number of people who are assymptomatic so we don't know how many people have it anyway - it could be that under 50's are more likely to be assymptomatic.
Please lets not propagate a myth that under 50s are less likely to / cant catch it.
Theres enough nutters out there who think they're immune as is because they had a sniffly nose last December therefore they've already had CV19, etc, etc.
Tony B2 said:
LetsTryAgain said:
The muzzle decree is about politics, not science.
I'm sure the majority will be happy to oblige (as they have been throughout this whole farce) but not all of us wish to be mouthless obedient submissive's.
Exactly!I'm sure the majority will be happy to oblige (as they have been throughout this whole farce) but not all of us wish to be mouthless obedient submissive's.
Or is wearing a mask which might stop other people catching it from you if you have it but dont know yet the straw that broke the camels back and you're now going to live outside the law?
Thank you for clarify, so my understanding is correct.
The large gatherings like Somerset and London Soho actually increases the chance of spreading the virus which increases the chance of more people dying from it (albeit not necessarily the people in the gatherings).
This in turn increases the chance of a high second wave and thus a second lockdown.
So those who think it is a waste of time would actually increase the chance of worsening the economy if it forces a second lockdown. Just a thought for those who don't care about other people's lives but care about their own pocket and civil liberties.
The large gatherings like Somerset and London Soho actually increases the chance of spreading the virus which increases the chance of more people dying from it (albeit not necessarily the people in the gatherings).
This in turn increases the chance of a high second wave and thus a second lockdown.
So those who think it is a waste of time would actually increase the chance of worsening the economy if it forces a second lockdown. Just a thought for those who don't care about other people's lives but care about their own pocket and civil liberties.
ash73 said:
It's not that simple. It also increases the chances of developing group immunity.
The more young people that get it, without developing acute symptoms, the better. Provided they don't pass it on to vulnerables.
That's the balancing act.
The virus isn't going anywhere, and we can't all wear masks forever.
Are you going to educate yourself around herd immunity? It’s just that it’s a concept that is not being actively pursued anywhere as it’s unlikely to succeed and there’s no knowledge as to how long the antibodies exist for in people’s systems. The more young people that get it, without developing acute symptoms, the better. Provided they don't pass it on to vulnerables.
That's the balancing act.
The virus isn't going anywhere, and we can't all wear masks forever.
The Spruce Goose said:
But why can't we make our own choices, why does everything have to come down to you must, we re free country, we should be allowed freedom of choice, not what the government dictates, it is a slippery slope.
People have died for this freedom and having it taken away, the freedom of choice, pisses on their graves.
God help us.People have died for this freedom and having it taken away, the freedom of choice, pisses on their graves.
MB140 said:
This policy of masks when shopping is complete bks. If it’s okay to go to the pub or a restaurant and not wear a face mask then why is it required for a shop. Sorry but my wife and I went to go to the pub yesterday. It was our 1st time out since February due to our work commitments and the lockdown. We walked in to the pub. Which was rammed full. Nobody wearing a mask. A one way system at the bar but absolutely no social distancing taking place.
We turned round and left.
So whilst your not covering your face in a crammed pub then it’s a waste of time just doing it in a shop.
I have already decided and my wife agrees, all our shopping will now be online unless it’s a dire emergency requirement.
The publican must have devastated that you left. ks. If it’s okay to go to the pub or a restaurant and not wear a face mask then why is it required for a shop. Sorry but my wife and I went to go to the pub yesterday. It was our 1st time out since February due to our work commitments and the lockdown. We walked in to the pub. Which was rammed full. Nobody wearing a mask. A one way system at the bar but absolutely no social distancing taking place. We turned round and left.
So whilst your not covering your face in a crammed pub then it’s a waste of time just doing it in a shop.
I have already decided and my wife agrees, all our shopping will now be online unless it’s a dire emergency requirement.
Psycho Warren said:
You forget we are not like asia or japan where it is considered rude to not wear a mask. Out there it is the norm to wear masks to not spread germs.
Not entirely true, was living in Asia for a few years and it is for purely selfish reasons people wear masks - they feel it will stop the pollution killing them.I was in China during the outbreak and it was clear what areas of issue there can and will be.
1. People in the main do not know how to wear a mask and so are forever touching and adjusting it - nice if you have the virus which is conveniently housed now on your mask and you then handle food or trolleys at Tesco....
2. Kids just cannot and will not wear them. Even in China they gave up trying to get kids to wear them.
3. Litter. Now OK, in Asia littering can be a massive problem and I'd like to think we will not be as bad but the masks were discarded everywhere, and I mean everywhere.
The solution? If we are going to wear masks we need to be trained how to fit them, to leave them alone, to wash or renew regularly and to up our personal hygiene.
I fear we will do none of this bar the 'wear yer mask'.
jondude said:
Not entirely true, was living in Asia for a few years and it is for purely selfish reasons people wear masks - they feel it will stop the pollution killing them.
I was in China during the outbreak and it was clear what areas of issue there can and will be.
1. People in the main do not know how to wear a mask and so are forever touching and adjusting it - nice if you have the virus which is conveniently housed now on your mask and you then handle food or trolleys at Tesco....
2. Kids just cannot and will not wear them. Even in China they gave up trying to get kids to wear them.
3. Litter. Now OK, in Asia littering can be a massive problem and I'd like to think we will not be as bad but the masks were discarded everywhere, and I mean everywhere.
The solution? If we are going to wear masks we need to be trained how to fit them, to leave them alone, to wash or renew regularly and to up our personal hygiene.
I fear we will do none of this bar the 'wear yer mask'.
Except it’s a face covering that’s needed, not a mask. There is a huge difference. I was in China during the outbreak and it was clear what areas of issue there can and will be.
1. People in the main do not know how to wear a mask and so are forever touching and adjusting it - nice if you have the virus which is conveniently housed now on your mask and you then handle food or trolleys at Tesco....
2. Kids just cannot and will not wear them. Even in China they gave up trying to get kids to wear them.
3. Litter. Now OK, in Asia littering can be a massive problem and I'd like to think we will not be as bad but the masks were discarded everywhere, and I mean everywhere.
The solution? If we are going to wear masks we need to be trained how to fit them, to leave them alone, to wash or renew regularly and to up our personal hygiene.
I fear we will do none of this bar the 'wear yer mask'.
bad company said:
MB140 said:
This policy of masks when shopping is complete bks. If it’s okay to go to the pub or a restaurant and not wear a face mask then why is it required for a shop. Sorry but my wife and I went to go to the pub yesterday. It was our 1st time out since February due to our work commitments and the lockdown. We walked in to the pub. Which was rammed full. Nobody wearing a mask. A one way system at the bar but absolutely no social distancing taking place.
We turned round and left.
So whilst your not covering your face in a crammed pub then it’s a waste of time just doing it in a shop.
I have already decided and my wife agrees, all our shopping will now be online unless it’s a dire emergency requirement.
The publican must have devastated that you left. ks. If it’s okay to go to the pub or a restaurant and not wear a face mask then why is it required for a shop. Sorry but my wife and I went to go to the pub yesterday. It was our 1st time out since February due to our work commitments and the lockdown. We walked in to the pub. Which was rammed full. Nobody wearing a mask. A one way system at the bar but absolutely no social distancing taking place. We turned round and left.
So whilst your not covering your face in a crammed pub then it’s a waste of time just doing it in a shop.
I have already decided and my wife agrees, all our shopping will now be online unless it’s a dire emergency requirement.
t would get involved in an argument with a moron. I’m not a tt. Anyone else get a pounding headache wearing a cloth mask for too long?
I can wear a powered 3m respirator all day long without feeling any ill effects, but trying to do a weekly shop with a cloth mask on and I get a banging headache and feel really fatigued and start to feel a bit off colour and disoriented after an hour. I checked my o2 sats the last time I went shopping with a mask on and they dropped from 99 at the start to 92 when I was finished. That cant be healthy.
I have stopped wearing one. nobody has challenged me yet.
Anyone else checked their blood oxygen levels after a shop?
I can wear a powered 3m respirator all day long without feeling any ill effects, but trying to do a weekly shop with a cloth mask on and I get a banging headache and feel really fatigued and start to feel a bit off colour and disoriented after an hour. I checked my o2 sats the last time I went shopping with a mask on and they dropped from 99 at the start to 92 when I was finished. That cant be healthy.
I have stopped wearing one. nobody has challenged me yet.
Anyone else checked their blood oxygen levels after a shop?
OldGermanHeaps said:
Anyone else get a pounding headache wearing a cloth mask for too long?
I can wear a powered 3m respirator all day long without feeling any ill effects, but trying to do a weekly shop with a cloth mask on and I get a banging headache and feel really fatigued and start to feel a bit off colour and disoriented after an hour. I checked my o2 sats the last time I went shopping with a mask on and they dropped from 99 at the start to 92 when I was finished. That cant be healthy.
I have stopped wearing one. nobody has challenged me yet.
Anyone else checked their blood oxygen levels after a shop?
Apart from the fact that they’re not mandatory until Friday so most won’t be wearing them, I’d suggest you might want to get yourself tested. You’re describing the symptoms of Covid-19 quite accurately. I can wear a powered 3m respirator all day long without feeling any ill effects, but trying to do a weekly shop with a cloth mask on and I get a banging headache and feel really fatigued and start to feel a bit off colour and disoriented after an hour. I checked my o2 sats the last time I went shopping with a mask on and they dropped from 99 at the start to 92 when I was finished. That cant be healthy.
I have stopped wearing one. nobody has challenged me yet.
Anyone else checked their blood oxygen levels after a shop?
been mandatory in scotland for a bit now and I tried before it became law to get in the habit.
you are talking ste on the covid symptoms, thats a new one, you feel normal and healthy all of the time except when you have a mask on, never heard that as a covid indicator, I think you just made that up off the top of your head.
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te on the covid symptoms, thats a new one, you feel normal and healthy all of the time except when you have a mask on, never heard that as a covid indicator, I think you just made that up off the top of your head. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff